Cmon Qatar ,buy United and sort this out.
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Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
The way to avoid this is to sign players on fair salaries, and then if they are performing well, offer pay rises and contract extensions. The purchase price is effectively spread over a longer time frame. Osimhen joining for £150m and staying for 10 years is the same cost per year as Kane at £75m for 5 years. The problem arises when the player dreams of another club and refuses to extend.
Get a more experienced player aswell, like Benzema or Thuram for free, and that takes the pressure off the unproven Ferguson and Hojlund.
This is a myth that’s been busted 10 times over in this very thread - it’s getting boring now
Or if the player flops, which happens frequently when signing “sure thing” strikers both domestically and from abroad.
Taking this approach to amortisation in view of manipulating FFP is extremely risky. In fact it’s risky full stop. If a very well paid player joins and doesn’t make it to the level required, there is nowhere else to go but downwards as no other elite team will want a player that has essentially failed.
Chelsea, for instance, may find that they are left with players on enormous wages they simply can’t shift with many years left on a high value contract, even though the transfer fee accounting keeps them within FFP limits. This naturally limits their ability to spend on replacements for the failed transfers and nobody willing to pay their wages.
Tell that to Liverpool after they built a team dependent on 30 year olds.
I dont mind relying on Kane and Casemiro for a couple of seasons if we have Ferguson and Lavia primed to step in.
That is exactly why I suggested signing players on "fair" salaries. If you sign a player on a ridiculous salary (like we have been doing recently), then you are stuck with them.
If a player joins for 5 years on £300k per week, and they have a good first season, are you going to extend by a year and raise the salary to £400k per week?
Unless they are peak Messi or Ronaldo level, we shouldn't be signing an Osimhen for £150m on crazy wages. The problem is that there are so few credible alternatives. That is why I would prefer Ferguson, Hojlund and a freebie like Benzema, with both Ferguson and Hojlund alternating going on loan whilst Benzema is here. Maybe Brighton would reduce the fee if they got Ferguson and Hojlund loans for a year each.
Still prefer Osihmen but not a bad plan b by any means
Many clubs nowadays, mine included, heavily incentivise performance related pay. There were (daft) rumours that Caicedo was on something outrageous like a few grand per week; in fact he was on a low (but not that low!) weekly wage, but heavily rewarded in a loyalty bonus and numerous appearance and performance bonuses, based on statistical analysis.
The beauty of this model is that players are encouraged to grow, develop and improve, with their pay increasing the longer they stay with the club. The harder they work, the sooner they play for the team, and their pay rises further.
This works beautifully for ourselves and Brentford, but would never in a million years work for a team with huge expectations of signing high profile players each season and competing to win the Premier League/other competitions.
The agents and players, when they get their “payday” move aren’t going to settle for anything less than elite pay. Therefore the only option for the elite sides such as yours, if wishing to adopt this model, is to sign “unknown” players from unglamorous leagues in Europe, South America, Asia and actually play them.
Which, obviously, is a huge risk because if they can’t perform well enough, the club will underperform and the manager brave enough to select them will get the sack.
Which is exactly why the Top Six find themselves spending so much more than anyone else, quite apart from their bigger incomes.
Lukaku got 16 and 12 in the league. Ibra got 17. I literally asked when was last time we got 20+ goals in the league from a striker
I'd argue that there isn't a way to avoid this, only to mitigate chances of it happening. My point is that having a transfer strategy guided by what somebody might do at the end of their first contract with you is pretending to have a level of control you just don't.
We pretty much followed the exact pattern you outline with Anthony Martial. Now he'll probably walk next year for nothing, so £50m down the drain indeed.
I have no argument that a world class striker for 10 years is better than one for 5, even if the former costs twice as much as the latter - that's clear. It's focusing on resale value when player value is extremely volatile that seems a bit mad to me.
Your approach is not exactly any more financially responsible than paying someone 300k a week, which I'd say is circumstance dependent. Many big clubs pay 300k a week, it can be value or sometimes it's not.
You're advocating shelling out on 3 strikers and sending one out on loan. Is that really a practical use of funds? Paying for 2 players that are not cheap only to farm one out, then you've got another coming in on gigantic wages. Signing 3 players for one position will compromise how much we can actually strengthen the team for next season in real terms because we can only field one.
We need a stronger lineup, it's not all about 4 years down the road. We have to be better now. This squad is not what ETH requires to attack the big trophies.
Who cares about resale value? I remember when this place was obsessed with that, thought we’d all moved on.
While I understand the reservations about his ability to press high up the pitch, I could see a successful scenario where Bruno pushes forward to press the back line while Kane stays deeper to cut off passing lanes. I think an athletically dynamic and bombastic number 10 like Bruno, who has had his best periods in a United shirt when he plays as high up as possible, would be a great partner for Kane who excels deeper and with his back to goal.
And we get left light in the midfield as usual
We never give 10 years contract to any player. Even on 5 year contract, then the next contract his wage will be up, or he'll just leave for free. That's what players do. Not to count the risk of getting a striker with only one wonder season from other League.
I don't think there's any real question that if Osimhen flopped here there'd be a Serie A side willing to pay a very large fee to sign him based on what he's already done in that league.
But that's a factor that should figure into the valuation the club places on the player (because that's when you should weigh up the consequences of him failing), not whether he's actually our preferred option in the first place.
In other words it's part of the reason you would happily pay a lot more for Osimhen if you thought he was as good an option as Kane, but it isn't a argument for him actually being as good an option as Kane.
United need Kane.
If we get him in the summer. We are in the shout for the title. Simple as that.
If we get him in the summer. We are in the shout for the title. Simple as that.
I am warming more to this IF we either keep Greenwood (not good image) or more sensibly release Martial and get understudy number 9
Signing Kane and two young midfielders as backup and long term replacement for Casemiro and Eriksen. That will provide balance in the squad so we are not going to be left with ageing squad later on. Kane, Lavia, and young CM. I have to agree that if there is any striker worth 100m, it has to be world class one like Kane, the same with 70m or 80m midfielder is Casemiro. 100m player shouldn’t be player we try to develop.
100m is too much for a 30 Yr old that will demand a massive wage also.
We aren’t paying £100m that's for sure
True. But when you look at it again which one has been better buy, pay lot of money on world class 30 years old Casemiro or paying the similar lot of money on the young non-world class player that still require to be develop like Sancho or Anthony (yet it doesn’t mean we can successfully develop them into world class)?
Kane won’t cost 100 million.
No one would be interested in him for that much money including us.
He will be a 60-85 million player depending on if he goes to a PL team or not and how much he pushes for the move against levy like he did for City last year.
No one would be interested in him for that much money including us.
He will be a 60-85 million player depending on if he goes to a PL team or not and how much he pushes for the move against levy like he did for City last year.
Big difference between 60 and 85m
Yep - I think 60 is more the price range of Bayern if they are interested.
United if interested will be more 70-85 million.
He won’t go to Chelsea because they won’t be in CL and look a long way from challenging for trophies.
He won’t go to Arsenal unless he runs his contract down, levy won’t sell him to us and risk the fans burning the stadium down, which they 100% would.
It does make sense him going to United. I was looking at the table , arsenal have scored 71 goals, City 72, and United in 3rd with 41 goals. Huge gap you have that a Kane could fill.
Levy will set 100m easily without second thought to any PL teams that want to buy him. This is what he always do, set ridiculous demands and making things difficult for PL teams that want to buy his players.
He asked 50m for Walker ‘’right back’’ in 2017 when Walker only had 2 years left in his contract. Based on what happened in the past including Walker’s case, what makes you think Levy won’t ask for 100m on world class proven striker in 2023?
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85 would be madness. United "tax" or not
If Kane wants the PL goalscoring record, he either extends with Spurs or signs with us.
Levy may accept a reasonable offer from Bayern and quote us an extortionate fee (because he likes to pretend that Spurs are our rivals...bless his little heart) but there's nothing stopping Kane from rejecting this and moving to us on a free a year later.
If that's the case, we just need a plan for next year; whether that's Rashy up front, he who shall not be named being reintroduced to first team action, or signing a decent stopgap (Marcus Thuram on a free for example).
Levy may accept a reasonable offer from Bayern and quote us an extortionate fee (because he likes to pretend that Spurs are our rivals...bless his little heart) but there's nothing stopping Kane from rejecting this and moving to us on a free a year later.
If that's the case, we just need a plan for next year; whether that's Rashy up front, he who shall not be named being reintroduced to first team action, or signing a decent stopgap (Marcus Thuram on a free for example).
I think we should easily get him over Osimhen. He has too many qualities that our side lacks at the moment.
My word, do we need someone like him to lead the line
Yeah my vote is changing again,his playmaking is actually more important than I first thought. We still need to find a backup number 9 as well though. Out problem is finding someone to take Martial with his flaky fitness
That's where i am. Looking at United against Newcastle I feel we lack pace up front aside from Rashford as well as creativity (hopefully Eriksen will solve that when he's back) and Osimhen would annihilate a lot of teams with how quick and powerful he is. Excellent presser too.
On the other hand Kane may not be the quickest but he can drop deep and create.
Yeah Kane's goals close gap to just 9 on Arsenal and 10 on City which says it all
I am definitely now in the drop deep and create option while Rashford does damage on counter with pace and power
We didn’t lack pace we lacked control.
Which is exactly why we need Harry Kane. We keep going against the managers perfect vision of football for some reason… this isn’t the vibes fc team.
As soon as Martial came on he added that quality we needed in making the attack look semi dangerous. Having Osihmen looking to run behind spammed Bruno Fernandes passes is not going to win you this EPL.
Kane and De Jong/Rice is a must.
With Osimhen you can expect more long balls from Bruno, Casemiro, Martinez etc. That means you can expect more unnecessary loss of possession. At least Kane would drop deep and compell some of our players to go for the short simple pass
Just throwing this out there. Assuming Sheik Jassim buys the club and we can afford a Chelsea Boehly type summer, is it beyond the realms of possibility to sign both Kane and Osimhen? I mean if we sell Martial who let's be honest really can't to stay fit for extended periods and not sign Wout, it will just be Kane, Osimhen and Rashford for the forward position. Rashford rarely plays upfront as the no. 9, and Kane can switch between 9 and deeper as a 10. There's easily enough games to go around for 3 forwards where 2 of which are quite versatile positionally.
Yes, it is absolutely beyond the realms of possibility. 0% chance.