ColvaleGoa
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Cmon Qatar ,buy United and sort this out.
The way to avoid this is to sign players on fair salaries, and then if they are performing well, offer pay rises and contract extensions. The purchase price is effectively spread over a longer time frame. Osimhen joining for £150m and staying for 10 years is the same cost per year as Kane at £75m for 5 years. The problem arises when the player dreams of another club and refuses to extend.Or he refuses to sign an extension and walks on a free in 5 years, as is happening more often these days.
Both Ferguson and the Dane Hojlund are both supposed to be Utd fans. We could get both for around 80-100 mill and be set for the next decade.
Get a more experienced player aswell, like Benzema or Thuram for free, and that takes the pressure off the unproven Ferguson and Hojlund.Very few of our 'set for the next decade' players have really worked out in the last decade. We can't put all our eggs into the unproven player basket.
This is a myth that’s been busted 10 times over in this very thread - it’s getting boring nowYeah if we signed Kane AND someone like Ferguson or Hojland in the summer that would be better.
Putting £80m of eggs into the 30 year old staying fit basket is another recipe for disaster.
Or if the player flops, which happens frequently when signing “sure thing” strikers both domestically and from abroad.The way to avoid this is to sign players on fair salaries, and then if they are performing well, offer pay rises and contract extensions. The purchase price is effectively spread over a longer time frame. Osimhen joining for £150m and staying for 10 years is the same cost per year as Kane at £75m for 5 years. The problem arises when the player dreams of another club and refuses to extend.
Tell that to Liverpool after they built a team dependent on 30 year olds.This is a myth that’s been busted 10 times over in this very thread - it’s getting boring now
That is exactly why I suggested signing players on "fair" salaries. If you sign a player on a ridiculous salary (like we have been doing recently), then you are stuck with them.Or if the player flops, which happens frequently when signing “sure thing” strikers both domestically and from abroad.
Taking this approach to amortisation in view of manipulating FFP is extremely risky. In fact it’s risky full stop. If a very well paid player joins and doesn’t make it to the level required, there is nowhere else to go but downwards as no other elite team will want a player that has essentially failed.
Chelsea, for instance, may find that they are left with players on enormous wages they simply can’t shift with many years left on a high value contract, even though the transfer fee accounting keeps them within FFP limits. This naturally limits their ability to spend on replacements for the failed transfers and nobody willing to pay their wages.
Many clubs nowadays, mine included, heavily incentivise performance related pay. There were (daft) rumours that Caicedo was on something outrageous like a few grand per week; in fact he was on a low (but not that low!) weekly wage, but heavily rewarded in a loyalty bonus and numerous appearance and performance bonuses, based on statistical analysis.That is exactly why I suggested signing players on "fair" salaries. If you sign a player on a ridiculous salary (like we have been doing recently), then you are stuck with them.
If a player joins for 5 years on £300k per week, and they have a good first season, are you going to extend by a year and raise the salary to £400k per week?
Unless they are peak Messi or Ronaldo level, we shouldn't be signing an Osimhen for £150m on crazy wages. The problem is that there are so few credible alternatives. That is why I would prefer Ferguson, Hojlund and a freebie like Benzema, with both Ferguson and Hojlund alternating going on loan whilst Benzema is here. Maybe Brighton would reduce the fee if they got Ferguson and Hojlund loans for a year each.
Lukaku got 16 and 12 in the league. Ibra got 17. I literally asked when was last time we got 20+ goals in the league from a strikerLukaku ? Ibra ?
I'd argue that there isn't a way to avoid this, only to mitigate chances of it happening. My point is that having a transfer strategy guided by what somebody might do at the end of their first contract with you is pretending to have a level of control you just don't.The way to avoid this is to sign players on fair salaries, and then if they are performing well, offer pay rises and contract extensions. The purchase price is effectively spread over a longer time frame. Osimhen joining for £150m and staying for 10 years is the same cost per year as Kane at £75m for 5 years. The problem arises when the player dreams of another club and refuses to extend.
Your approach is not exactly any more financially responsible than paying someone 300k a week, which I'd say is circumstance dependent. Many big clubs pay 300k a week, it can be value or sometimes it's not.That is exactly why I suggested signing players on "fair" salaries. If you sign a player on a ridiculous salary (like we have been doing recently), then you are stuck with them.
If a player joins for 5 years on £300k per week, and they have a good first season, are you going to extend by a year and raise the salary to £400k per week?
Unless they are peak Messi or Ronaldo level, we shouldn't be signing an Osimhen for £150m on crazy wages. The problem is that there are so few credible alternatives. That is why I would prefer Ferguson, Hojlund and a freebie like Benzema, with both Ferguson and Hojlund alternating going on loan whilst Benzema is here. Maybe Brighton would reduce the fee if they got Ferguson and Hojlund loans for a year each.
Who cares about resale value? I remember when this place was obsessed with that, thought we’d all moved on.What resale value does Osimhen even have? Do people seriously think we're gonna buy him for £140m and sell him for £200m or something? That doesn't happen.
It's a crazy thing to factor in.
And we get left light in the midfield as usualWhile I understand the reservations about his ability to press high up the pitch, I could see a successful scenario where Bruno pushes forward to press the back line while Kane stays deeper to cut off passing lanes. I think an athletically dynamic and bombastic number 10 like Bruno, who has had his best periods in a United shirt when he plays as high up as possible, would be a great partner for Kane who excels deeper and with his back to goal.
We never give 10 years contract to any player. Even on 5 year contract, then the next contract his wage will be up, or he'll just leave for free. That's what players do. Not to count the risk of getting a striker with only one wonder season from other League.The way to avoid this is to sign players on fair salaries, and then if they are performing well, offer pay rises and contract extensions. The purchase price is effectively spread over a longer time frame. Osimhen joining for £150m and staying for 10 years is the same cost per year as Kane at £75m for 5 years. The problem arises when the player dreams of another club and refuses to extend.
I don't think there's any real question that if Osimhen flopped here there'd be a Serie A side willing to pay a very large fee to sign him based on what he's already done in that league.Lukaku was a bit of a special case wasn't he? He went back to his old club and manager, where they were confident he was still worth that. Maybe Napoli would do the same if Osimhen didn't work out, no idea. But ultimately that seems a lot like planning for failure and I'd rather we just went and got it right - which Ten Hag seems to be doing pretty well so far.
If Osimhen is the better man for the job, that's the way to go. But I don't think assuming that we'll get someone to pay crazy money for him if he fails is a sound strategy. At this kind of money, you wanna be doing you're homework to get it right.
To put it another way, if you're assuming he'll fail, then maybe somebody only pays £60m to take him off your hands. That's still an £80m loss, same as if you'd bought Kane, won stuff and lost him for nothing.
100m is too much for a 30 Yr old that will demand a massive wage also.Signing Kane and two young midfielders as backup and long term replacement for Casemiro and Eriksen. That will provide balance in the squad so we are not going to be left with ageing squad later on. Kane, Lavia, and young CM. I have to agree that if there is any striker worth 100m, it has to be world class one like Kane, the same with 70m or 80m midfielder is Casemiro. 100m player shouldn’t be player we try to develop.
We aren’t paying £100m that's for sure100m is too much for a 30 Yr old that will demand a massive wage also.
True. But when you look at it again which one has been better buy, pay lot of money on world class 30 years old Casemiro or paying the similar lot of money on the young non-world class player that still require to be develop like Sancho or Anthony (yet it doesn’t mean we can successfully develop them into world class)?100m is too much for a 30 Yr old that will demand a massive wage also.
Big difference between 60 and 85mKane won’t cost 100 million.
No one would be interested in him for that much money including us.
He will be a 60-85 million player depending on if he goes to a PL team or not and how much he pushes for the move against levy like he did for City last year.
Yep - I think 60 is more the price range of Bayern if they are interested.Big difference between 60 and 85m
He won’t go to Chelsea because they won’t be in CL and look a long way from challenging for trophies.Why can’t he go to arsenal or Chelsea (if he’s leaving)? Sol Campbell dud it
Levy will set 100m easily without second thought to any PL teams that want to buy him. This is what he always do, set ridiculous demands and making things difficult for PL teams that want to buy his players.Kane won’t cost 100 million.
No one would be interested in him for that much money including us.
He will be a 60-85 million player depending on if he goes to a PL team or not and how much he pushes for the move against levy like he did for City last year.
85 would be madness. United "tax" or notYep - I think 60 is more the price range of Bayern if they are interested.
United if interested will be more 70-85 million.
Yeah my vote is changing again,his playmaking is actually more important than I first thought. We still need to find a backup number 9 as well though. Out problem is finding someone to take Martial with his flaky fitnessI think we should easily get him over Osimhen. He has too many qualities that our side lacks at the moment.
That's where i am. Looking at United against Newcastle I feel we lack pace up front aside from Rashford as well as creativity (hopefully Eriksen will solve that when he's back) and Osimhen would annihilate a lot of teams with how quick and powerful he is. Excellent presser too.Still prefer Osihmen but not a bad plan b by any means
Yeah Kane's goals close gap to just 9 on Arsenal and 10 on City which says it allHe won’t go to Chelsea because they won’t be in CL and look a long way from challenging for trophies.
He won’t go to Arsenal unless he runs his contract down, levy won’t sell him to us and risk the fans burning the stadium down, which they 100% would.
It does make sense him going to United. I was looking at the table , arsenal have scored 71 goals, City 72, and United in 3rd with 41 goals. Huge gap you have that a Kane could fill.
I am definitely now in the drop deep and create option while Rashford does damage on counter with pace and powerThat's where i am. Looking at United against Newcastle I feel we lack pace up front aside from Rashford as well as creativity (hopefully Eriksen will solve that when he's back) and Osimhen would annihilate a lot of teams with how quick and powerful he is. Excellent presser too.
On the other hand Kane may not be the quickest but he can drop deep and create.
We didn’t lack pace we lacked control.That's where i am. Looking at United against Newcastle I feel we lack pace up front aside from Rashford as well as creativity (hopefully Eriksen will solve that when he's back) and Osimhen would annihilate a lot of teams with how quick and powerful he is. Excellent presser too.
On the other hand Kane may not be the quickest but he can drop deep and create.
Yes, it is absolutely beyond the realms of possibility. 0% chance.Just throwing this out there. Assuming Sheik Jassim buys the club and we can afford a Chelsea Boehly type summer, is it beyond the realms of possibility to sign both Kane and Osimhen?