Yeah, I'm finding it irritating how long he has been indulged and how long the problem has been ignored. I'm hopeful that we will do something about it this summer, but time will tell. I look at each individual in our first choice eleven and ask if we can win the league title with them in the side. You simply can't with De Gea.
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Correct, people say that he saves us points and what not, yes it you want to get top 4 /6 then you need DDG because it means the team isnt that good and the defence is getting breached easily. We have a manager that likes to build from the back and our keeper probably has the least touches in the PL.
We might concede a few goals that DDG might have saved but, I can guarantee that we control alot more games with a better goal keeper. Its not just his passing out the back which is a problem, his sweeping is an issue, his balls into the box collection is a problem.
DDG only excels at shot stopping and as we become a better team, we should face less shots anyway.
You simply can't win a league title with De Gea? Want to think that through a bit more?
I can’t wait to see which player will be Caf’ enemy number one next season.
An upgrade on De Gea would be a boost, but the overreactions to each of his game is way over the top. I swear you guys don’t regularly watch other keepers, because I’m positive there something to say about everyone of them.
We could have Alisson or Ederson and we would be hating on them for not being shotsoppers like that De Gea guy over at [insert other club that the Caf thinks is truly well run while we at United are run like clowns]
An upgrade on De Gea would be a boost, but the overreactions to each of his game is way over the top. I swear you guys don’t regularly watch other keepers, because I’m positive there something to say about everyone of them.
We could have Alisson or Ederson and we would be hating on them for not being shotsoppers like that De Gea guy over at [insert other club that the Caf thinks is truly well run while we at United are run like clowns]
In fairness he was dropped for 4 or 5 games on two separate occasions the year we won the league with him and we conceded the most goals of any title winning team since the year 2000 (in fact during the entire Premier League era, the first 3 years of which consisted of 42 games rather than 38, only twice has a team conceded more and won the league).
He was in the PFA team of the year that season btw, but we won it in spite of him though.
Gareth Bale won player of the year ahead of Van Persie. These things aren't always accurate. Despite that nobodies saying we won it "in spite of him" except you but it is interesting the only year we won it with him we faced some of the same issues we still face. It's the defenders that are the problem though.
Yeah, sure. We simply can't win a league title with this version of De Gea in goal. The game has moved on since 2013, but clearly some of our fans are behind the times.
You clearly don't remember that season. Maybe go back and watch some matches to spot more De Gea errors or other times he sent the ball out for injured teammates.
I remember it very well, are you trying to tell me he wasn’t dropped twice? Weird taking it back to something that happened a month ago that you are completely wrong about too
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It has been a long time, so my memory might be failing me, but he was dropped for 4 games early in the season and then he missed some games later cause of an injury (we even had to play a game with the third keeper cause both De Gea and Lindegaard were injured).I remember it very well, are you trying to tell me he wasn’t dropped twice? Weird taking it back to something that happened a month ago that you are completely wrong about too
He was clearly the best keeper in the league that season though. And was fantastic in UCL against Madrid. And then was even better for the next 5 season, the best in the world in 1 or 2.
He has also been at best average for some time now though but no need to rewrite history.
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The guy is still more than able to win games by himself with some ridiculous saves. He does so quite often, to the point that we don't even consider it that big of a deal because it's so common. It's not uncommon to see him make a save that would garner plaudits for any other keeper but just be seen as De Gea doing De Gea things.
He's also currently leading the Golden Glove this season. Which given how lowly some of our own fans rate him isn't half bad.
But he's not a "rank bad" keeper at all.
The guy is still more than able to win games by himself with some ridiculous saves. He does so quite often, to the point that we don't even consider it that big of a deal because it's so common. It's not uncommon to see him make a save that would garner plaudits for any other keeper but just be seen as De Gea doing De Gea things.
He's also currently leading the Golden Glove this season. Which given how lowly some of our own fans rate him isn't half bad.
Aside from the polarising views from fans on De Gea, if any player in the squad deserves to see United get back on top and win silverware, for me it has to be him. He's been with us through the very worst periods and often been the only one who can hold his head high. He's also had periods where he's been very poor and low on confidence but shown the mental strength to bounce back.
Once he's gone, whether that's in the near future or years from now, we'll all appreciate what we have lost but it would be great to see him apart of a successful side once more before his time is up.
Once he's gone, whether that's in the near future or years from now, we'll all appreciate what we have lost but it would be great to see him apart of a successful side once more before his time is up.
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He was dropped for 4 games, he later missed a game to have a tooth out IIRC and was benched for the next 3/4 games; given we lost the game he was injured for not bringing him back into the team was hardly a ringing endorsment. Either DDG or Lindegaard played every game that season so I'm not sure where you're getting the part about the third goalkeeper playing that season from.
To be clear I haven't said he had a bad season or rewritten any sort of history as you have suggested. I was responding to a poster suggesting that we can win the league with De Gea in goal, and even ignoring the differing expectations on a goalkeeper today than in 2013, it is a fact that no title winning team has conceded more goals since the year 2000, and that a team conceding more goals than we did that season has only won the league twice in the past 30 years.
I am far from DdG‘s biggest fan but the goals conceded were/are not just down to goal keeper and/or defence. We mostly played a donut formation that season due to our old midfield. We were so open in many games but we still knew how to score goals or outscore the opposition.
Regarding DdG he improved a lot from 2011/12 to 2012/13. Bit since then he only improved slightly which I find really frustrating.
Alisson statistically is best GK this season and Ederson has never been good at shot stopping. Don't know what are you on about. Nice whataboutism, and ignoring the fact that DDG hasn't been good for 4 years now
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More proof if it was needed that stats don't tell the full story.
Though, in defence of Alisson, this season has shown he's able to hold his own even when under pressure. Similar to De Gea you could put him in any side and he'd be able to deal with it, whether that's a club fighting for silverware or one that's on the back foot constantly.
Ederson benefits from now having to do much, which masks his erratic nature and makes him look far better than he really is.
Not many can say they've played for United at their best and at their worst. Even fewer can do so while also being proud of their own performances in that time.
Would love to see him lift the FA Cup and then be part of a side fighting for the title next season. Absolutely deserves it.
That much is very obvious going by the way some eulogise over every single basic save that De Gea makes, acting like it’s a gift from the heavens that we should be eternally grateful for.
You only have to watch a few PL highlights to see other keepers regularly pull off incredible saves too. Just tonight Jose Sa made two fantastic stops that if De Gea had made would have half this forum collectively wetting themselves and proclaiming only he could have done it. There seems to be this weird belief that other keepers just regularly throw the ball in their own net, especially those that are good with the ball at their feet. They couldn’t possibly make saves as well.
And that’s why they have more clean sheets than DeGea? Oh, wait…
We can’t win a league title with the golden glove leader in goal. Ok.
You got me. There's no coming back from that.
I really struggle to understand people who think because he won the golden glove, he is the best in the league. The reason DDG is winning the golden glove race is because we have Lisandro and Varane infront of him.
Its weird because if it was Maguire and Lindelof, people would be saying... what do you expect DDG to do when he has Maguire and Lindelof infront of him...
Nobody said he's the best in the league.
Putting the Golden Glove down to Varane/Martinez though is nonsense. Varane hasn't played half those games, and DDG has contributed a fair amount of times to those clean sheets.
People talk like he's had a disaster of a season. He clearly hasn't.
That might have something to do with the fact that other teams in the league haven't had CBs of the quality of Martinez and Varane preventing shots faced. De Gea's shot stopping stats are actually average these days.
Is anyone saying that?
There is truth in that, in the league alone so far he's faced 68 shots less than last season and so far has conceded 20 less goals.
But, his defenders are back, because he made a few saves on Sunday. It's like last Thursday never happened.
If we say, the defence doesnt contribute to clean sheets, is DDG at fault for all the hammerings ? Or is it the team?
Also, no one saying he has had a disaster of a season, he has been average or below average this season.
When DDG makes 1 pass or save its like omg he is so good, when its a save any other keeper in the PL can make. There are occassions where he pulls out saves that are WC, but its not every game.
However; every game, he is the reason Ten Hag can't play his style. We cant pass out the back, so he kicks it long where none of our forwards can keep the ball so the ball goes back to the opponent. on numerous occassions this season, he has kicked the ball straight out or to opponent in our own half. The ball going out of play is not that bad because I dont expect him to be 100% with his kicking.
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Look at some of those stats. We want to play out the back and he is 18th in touches for a keeper playing for a side wanting to dominate possession. He is the worst keeper when it comes to sweeping, meaning we cant play a high line and press high to regain the ball quicker.
There are so many aspects on and off the ball we cant play the way we want because of DDG. Also, he has also made blunders in goal, the Brentford goal and others.
He is only a good shot stopper and nothing else.
It's as if they don't watch the actual football on the pitch and instead choose to latch onto the occasional tweet or nugget of information which they perceive as favourable towards their favourite player.
I love DDG and the sentimental side of me thinks oh we can keep him on lower wage, we can get away with it and what not but after last season, I have decided only to back the manager.
Objectively looking at it, he we cant progress without a keeper. Pep came in and was ruthless on his keeper, we need to be ruthless, whatever benefits the team.
I think the issue is exactly what @romufc outlines. To many feelings involved to be objective.
Dave is undoubtedly a United legend. He has been with us through all the absolute worst years.
A lot probably want him to win a trophy or two as a thank you for your service before we move him on. And I can certainly understand that sentiment.
He has always been a quite guy going about his business. As a keeper that is something that rubs alot of people the wrong way. Having witnessed Schmeichs in his prime its certainly a very different person between our sticks now.
But when you get the hyperbole that he is the worst keeper in the league or the best (both things are wrong) its clear its more feelings than objective valuation of the player.
In truth Dave is overall a average / below average premier league keeper who is sometimes capable of pulling out some absolutely insane saves. And with a higher frequency of those then most keepers.
He has also improved on his distribution this season and is absolutely not the worst keeper in the league.
That having been said he is absolutely not good enough if we want to play out from the back. And on top of that he doesnt deal with crosses, at all, which is an issue, especially since we dont really have the best aerial defenders either. Maguire is good at that part of the game but absolutely atrocious at everything we need from a cb under Ten Hag.
If we want to challenge for the league next season we do need to upgrade the keeper. Otherwise we will have to much pressure on the backline and our build up play will keep lacking.
Yes I do believe a striker is even more urgent, but in reality its not either or.
That having been said some of the posts in here sound more like personal hate then a critical evaluation of the player.
Dave is undoubtedly a United legend. He has been with us through all the absolute worst years.
A lot probably want him to win a trophy or two as a thank you for your service before we move him on. And I can certainly understand that sentiment.
He has always been a quite guy going about his business. As a keeper that is something that rubs alot of people the wrong way. Having witnessed Schmeichs in his prime its certainly a very different person between our sticks now.
But when you get the hyperbole that he is the worst keeper in the league or the best (both things are wrong) its clear its more feelings than objective valuation of the player.
In truth Dave is overall a average / below average premier league keeper who is sometimes capable of pulling out some absolutely insane saves. And with a higher frequency of those then most keepers.
He has also improved on his distribution this season and is absolutely not the worst keeper in the league.
That having been said he is absolutely not good enough if we want to play out from the back. And on top of that he doesnt deal with crosses, at all, which is an issue, especially since we dont really have the best aerial defenders either. Maguire is good at that part of the game but absolutely atrocious at everything we need from a cb under Ten Hag.
If we want to challenge for the league next season we do need to upgrade the keeper. Otherwise we will have to much pressure on the backline and our build up play will keep lacking.
Yes I do believe a striker is even more urgent, but in reality its not either or.
That having been said some of the posts in here sound more like personal hate then a critical evaluation of the player.
I would say it's the exact opposite. We regularly see him make saves that any decent keeper should make and it would be considered a goalkeeping mistake if he let them in, but people go on about it as if it's an amazing save. 'No other keeper would have saved it' has been said in here so often for saves that plenty of others would actually make that it's become a bit of a meme lately. Obviously there is the occasional one where it's true (he is still capable of pulling off the occasional truly amazing save), but not even close to as often as people make out.
14 clean sheets is great. But just like top goalscorer awards, these stats are all linked to the team as a whole. We've been better at the back this year with Martinez and Varane (appreciate they've not played every game) but Casemiro has helped protect the back 4 better than anyone we've had for a long time and that has had a direct impact on DDG's clean sheet numbers.
What these stats don't show though is that DDG has conceded some very poor goals this season, and he's been completely exposed by the way ETH wants us to play. Unless ETH decides he wants to totally change his philosophy DDG will continue to be exposed for weaknesses he's never been able to develop while being here and that will ultimately cost us when playing the top teams.
I agree he's not had a disaster but he's been massively exposed and needs replacing.
This. You can like a player and want to improve on him, just because people say we need to upgrade on DDG does not mean we have a personal problem with him.
DDG has been a brilliant servant for the club, he saved us numerous times in the past and he has been appreciated by the fans, they have more often than not backed him, he has also been paid by the club to suit his performances then.
So both parties have benefitted and now its time where his weaknesses are holding the team back.
Changing the keeper is as important as the ST like you say because for example, the Brighton game where we played long, they got the ball and played out the back and we were on the back foot. I am sure Ten Hag wants to play out the back and keep the ball and build from the back rather than gambling on contesting 2nd balls.
Spot on. And the pay is an important factor here as well. its not like Dave has been paid peanuts while playing for us. In fact quite the opposite.
As you said we have simply reached a point now where its time to move on. No shame in that at all.
Yeah the Brighton game is a excellent example. Its a club we should really be beating, but a major reason to them dominating us was exactly that they where able to play out from the back.
Both statements are nonsense. The PL has many good cb pairings. This thread is fecking absurd.
They did not dominate us. They created very little, not more than us. With Rashford and Martial more in form/fit we would have scored.
Pressing Brighton high is what they want. We did exactly the right thing by not pressing their cb’s.
Do the maths..
How exactly is it a nonsense statement to say that 'De Ge's shot stopping stats this season are average'? The stats literally show that he's 12-14th in the PL this season for shot stopping metrics.
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