Congrats in winning the golden gloves for this year. He’ll also get a new contract, so he’s here next here. I just hope that at this age he can still improve, some of his mistakes this year cost us games.
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Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 58
- Clean sheets
- 25
- Goals
- 0
- Assists
- 0
- Yellow cards
- 2
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Summed up his season. Clean shit but appalling with his feet.
Think it's also worth remembering that whilst some are saying the award is undeserved and should go to our defence, De Gea was absolutely fantastic for us during the first half of the season. He really rolled back the years with his shot stopping and kept us in a load of games.
Struggling to play short or on the ground. Always go long kick. We will struggle to evolve as a team that can retain possession especially in the away game when opposition teams tend to not just sit back.
It feels like passing to De Gea is giving opposition teams a quarter chance.
You could see how ravenous Wolves were in their pressing whenever it went near him today. Wolves are shit so we weren't punished but any team who has anything about them have and will capitalise on his jitters and shit passing.
You could see how ravenous Wolves were in their pressing whenever it went near him today. Wolves are shit so we weren't punished but any team who has anything about them have and will capitalise on his jitters and shit passing.
First time you can claim he got the golden glove due to the defense in front of him rather than his own performance. Casemiro, Varane and Martinez played a huge role in this award.
I was thinking about that today. We’re all putting his decline down to the 2018 World Cup but is it more about basically every club pressing high? I remember we used to think De Gea was great with the ball at his feet but that was in the days where most team only did a half press and he had all the time in the world with the ball at his feet. It feels as though he gets more and more stressed out over the course of a game due to the anxiety of passing under pressure and that stress ends up afflicting every aspect of his game.
Christ he literally cost us the second game on the season my god
It’s both. He’s sucked since after the 2018 WC, but it’s exacerbated by how much pressing occurs now to where his weaknesses as a sweeper and distributor get exposed as well.
This was my feeling as well watching him this year. There was one awesome safe in every game. But, apparently, this judgement would be rather faulty.
There was a recent youtube video from statman dave, that showed, that even his shotstopping is, comparably, not really up to standards these days. I found this article pretty interesting.
https://thedevilsdna.com/?p=273815
I'll add 2 graphics, that show the extent of "problem".
In comparison, see the graph for Manuel Neuer, who is still leading the numbers in terms of goal keepers...
Half those stats always confuse me. Is having a really high “launch %” and “average pass length” a good thing? Won’t those stats be highest for goalkeepers who smash the ball into the opposition half every time it’s passed to them?This was my feeling as well watching him this year. There was one awesome safe in every game. But, apparently, this judgement would be rather faulty.
There was a recent youtube video from statman dave, that showed, that even his shotstopping is, comparably, not really up to standards these days. I found this article pretty interesting.
https://thedevilsdna.com/?p=273815
I'll add 2 graphics, that show the extent of "problem".
In comparison, see the graph for Manuel Neuer, who is still leading the numbers in terms of goal keepers...
I think these are ranking percentiles, so Neuer having 97 on Pass Launch Percentage means he is better than 97% of GKs on this metric, not that he launches 97% of his passes. Obviously he is not kicking the ball 99m on average!
It's unreal how he came charging out of his box when it was clear to everyone that he left it too late to sweep. Surprised the Wolves cnut didn't fall to the floor because if he did then De Gea is getting sent off.
This is the sweatiest of bollocks.
That moment in the first half when the ball was put back to him, he had some time, instead of passing it the other way to AWB, he just booted it out of play in our own half (not even booting it as far away as possible) and you can see people kinda pointing where DDG should have gone.
Hoping its pointing to saves that actually are ones that 'no other keeper' would make rather than ones which you expect a keeper of Man United or one in this league to make.
I want to give @Carl the benefit of the doubt here, and would love him to provide examples of this, which games and which specific saves.
Hoping its pointing to saves that actually are ones that 'no other keeper' would make rather than ones which you expect a keeper of Man United or one in this league to make.
As another poster said, the graph shows percentiles, showing how many all goalkeepers in the top 7 leagues do "better" than him. "Better" means in in some stats "less is better" and in other stats "more is better". A complete rundown on the specific stats are in the article. It is an interesting read.
I wasn't aware how far off the boil he is - I like him actually and was always fine with him staying as long as he is on the ridiculous contract the club gave him. But seeing those numbers really push me towards the stance of other fans who want to get rid as soon as possible.
Defense has to share the blame. So often they're using DDG as an easy outlet when they couldn't find a pass due to lack of skill. They know what DDG would do, then why would they still pass to him so often?
It's like giving Wout through balls after through balls when you know he's fecking slow.
Be calm and make a pass are something can be improved, but it’s not possible for Wout to be not slow.
So, It’s the correct idea to pass it to DDG imo because how is he going to learn and improve without trying and learning in the actual match. DDG has to adapt! If he can’t then the manager has to find a new keeper. And so far he has shown no sign of improvement. Bissaka shows better improvement on the ball than DDG.
De Gea's clean sheet stats
1-0 win @ Southampton 5 saves
1-0 win @Leicester 2 saves
0-0 vs Newcastle 2 saves
2-0 win vs Tottenham 2 saves
1-0 win vs West Ham 5 saves
3-0 win vs Forrest 3 saves
1-0 win @ Wolves 3 saves
3-0 win vs Bournemouth 4 saves
2-0 win @ Leeds 6 saves
3-0 vs Leicester 3 saves
0-0 vs Southampton 4 saves
1-0 win vs Brentford 1 save
2-0 win vs Everton 1 save
2-0 win @ Forrest 0 saves
1-0 win vs Villa 1 save
2-0 win vs Wolves 0 saves
total of 42 saves in 13 games, or 3 saves per game. Most of which were saves any keeper would be expected to make. This award is because of our defense, not because of our keeper. But good on him for "winning" the golden glove this year. Hopefully it's a nice "good-bye" gift that will make his value go up a little when we hopefully sell him
Some other interesting stats
4-0 loss to Brentford on only 7 shots
6-3 loss to City on only 10 shots
7-0 loss to Liverpool on only 8 shots
3-2 loss to Arsenal on only 5 shots
3-1 loss to Villa on only 4 shots
So in these matches where we had our most goals against of the year, on only 34 shots De Gea saved 11 shots and allowed 23 goals
1-0 win @ Southampton 5 saves
1-0 win @Leicester 2 saves
0-0 vs Newcastle 2 saves
2-0 win vs Tottenham 2 saves
1-0 win vs West Ham 5 saves
3-0 win vs Forrest 3 saves
1-0 win @ Wolves 3 saves
3-0 win vs Bournemouth 4 saves
2-0 win @ Leeds 6 saves
3-0 vs Leicester 3 saves
0-0 vs Southampton 4 saves
1-0 win vs Brentford 1 save
2-0 win vs Everton 1 save
2-0 win @ Forrest 0 saves
1-0 win vs Villa 1 save
2-0 win vs Wolves 0 saves
total of 42 saves in 13 games, or 3 saves per game. Most of which were saves any keeper would be expected to make. This award is because of our defense, not because of our keeper. But good on him for "winning" the golden glove this year. Hopefully it's a nice "good-bye" gift that will make his value go up a little when we hopefully sell him
Some other interesting stats
4-0 loss to Brentford on only 7 shots
6-3 loss to City on only 10 shots
7-0 loss to Liverpool on only 8 shots
3-2 loss to Arsenal on only 5 shots
3-1 loss to Villa on only 4 shots
So in these matches where we had our most goals against of the year, on only 34 shots De Gea saved 11 shots and allowed 23 goals
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Not defending De Gea but a few times the team was in no rush to get into a more open position. Not sure if its the De Gea fear but watching Real v City last week you could see the movements players made to allow the keeper options for passing.
Ok, cool. The article explains it well. And really brings it home how bad De Gea is. The weakest player in our starting eleven, by far. And we all know that the goalkeeper is one of the most important positions.
An upgrade surely has to be a) a top priority and b) relatively easy/cheap to do (because, unlike every other position, only very few players at other clubs wouldn’t be an upgrade)
If this doesn’t happen this summer then serious questions need to be asked about footballing operations at the club.
1:18s is such a perfect example of his limitations. There is an EASY pass bisecting the two pressing forwards to a United player in miles of space but he ignores it. Presumably because he’s still emotionally scarred from the hospital pass he gave Maguire against Sevilla or Eriksen against Brentford. He just doesn’t have the mentality to change his game, even though it’s obvious the coaching team must want him to try.
His passing and kicking is absymal, but the amount of times our players don't even go for an aerial duel shows how bad is still our team all around. If Ten Hag doesn't ask that from his players we won't improve much even with better keeper. Even at their worst Liverpool players would go all in for every one of these high balls and would at least challenge defenders and not allow them to make an easy pass with their heads.
When the players know he's gonna attempt to play out, you will see them run into more positions for passing options. There is no point them sprinting 20 yards for ddg to hoof it then them needing to sprint another 20 yards to get the line up again. Would be hugely stupid.
Golden glove winner. I would say, with much confidence, it's the first time there's been such a clamour to get rid of a golden glove winner. Ridiculous fans
On the first pass back in this clip me and the guy sat next to me just turned to each other and started laughing. He’s defended De Gea for a long time, but has given up.
Which is why renewing his contract makes no sense whatsoever. The bar is so low to improve on him, even if the very best keepers may cost a lot to obtain. He’s genuinely one of the worst keepers in the league, including back-up keepers.
Raya is increasingly the one I think may look good value though to go for this summer.
Joe Hart won the golden glove. Pep got rid of him the day he walked into City.
Congrats on the golden gloves! Been a great servant to the club!
I thought the same during match. In replay it seems, De Gea pulled out of the tackle, the Wolves player fell without any contact and hence got back up.
Aye just saw that replay. I know there was defensive cover but it just seemed like another brain fart moment.
De Gea's clean sheet stats
1-0 win @ Southampton 5 saves
1-0 win @Leicester 2 saves
0-0 vs Newcastle 2 saves
2-0 win vs Tottenham 2 saves
1-0 win vs West Ham 5 saves
3-0 win vs Forrest 3 saves
1-0 win @ Wolves 3 saves
3-0 win vs Bournemouth 4 saves
2-0 win @ Leeds 6 saves
3-0 vs Leicester 3 saves
0-0 vs Southampton 4 saves
1-0 win vs Brentford 1 save
2-0 win vs Everton 1 save
2-0 win @ Forrest 0 saves
1-0 win vs Villa 1 save
2-0 win vs Wolves 0 saves
total of 42 saves in 13 games, or 3 saves per game. Most of which were saves any keeper would be expected to make. This award is because of our defense, not because of our keeper. But good on him for "winning" the golden glove this year. Hopefully it's a nice "good-bye" gift that will make his value go up a little when we hopefully sell him
Some other interesting stats
4-0 loss to Brentford on only 7 shots
6-3 loss to City on only 10 shots
7-0 loss to Liverpool on only 8 shots
3-2 loss to Arsenal on only 5 shots
3-1 loss to Villa on only 4 shots
So in these matches where we had our most goals against of the year, on only 34 shots De Gea saved 11 shots and allowed 23 goals
In fact I think I'm right in saying Joe Hart won the golden gloves four times in five years.
You mean first half of last season?
His performance vs Brentford at the start of the season was one of the worst I've ever seen from a United GK.
Congrats to Dave saves. A worthy winner in our interesting season. Hopefully there are more to come, if he stays.
We should absolute let him go this summer. He's an average shot stopper now and absolutely terrible with the ball at his feet. Needs to go
No way should he be given a new contract, we need a solid keeper next season. He simply hasn't improved his game despite being on insane wages. He is a symptom of the ineptness in running United in the last 10 years.
Yeah renewing really would be a sidestep. I mean, DDG is the last player from the Old Guard, the last player who actually witnessed the clubs success, so a certain degree of sentimentality would be understandable. But obviously, this a) doesn't include paying him a huge salary and b) giving him the Nr. 1 spot.
For me personally, the goalkeeper has a "special" position, so even if I would agree, that many keepers would improve on him, I'd try to avoid bringing in somebody who isn't expected to be the Nr.1 for a substantial amount of time.
I like Raya too, though, he probably would be my favorite as well, but reading the article and a few videos, there are a few other candidates that feel tempting as well. Be that those promising keeper in Ligue Un Diouf or this Belgian guy or luxury options like Costa or Maignan. Difficult situation for sure, with Henderson being in the mix as well who I, for some reasons don't rate that high.
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