Paul Pogba - Juventus player

[roonster09]

Pogba and Martial were both good, young and talented footballer before Ole got his hands on them. After Ole they are broken and hardly footballers anymore. Dubai is a great place for recovering. Virgil van Dijk did it, Memphis did it (just example because they are Dutch). Dubai has superb facilities and its nice weather too. Recovering from an injury is bad enough, why not do it at a place that has the best facilities, nice weather and where rich people seem to love spending their time.

Martial played with injuries, he told so in interviews and sure looked like he did. Right now it looks like Martial isnt even able to sprint and dribble anymore. Rashford played with injuries. Pogba came back from injuries only to go off injured again. Surely that seems rushed. Ole doesnt have to be mean to get players to play with an injury. He can also be nice so, if asked, the player is willing to sacrifice for him. Who knows. It could all be a coincidence but Ole was fighting tooth and nail to keep his job so why not risk a few players in the proces? He seems a nice man so surely he didnt intend to break the player but that doesnt mean it cant happen.

That's not true, Pogba was always a injury prone player.

2014-15 - missed 50 days
2017-18 - missed 63 days
2018-19 - missed 18 days even before Ole took over
2019-20 - he barely played and was injured

People talk about that Watford game or other game where he played 45 mins before getting injured but he was already injury prone before that.

Plenty of players said they played with injuries, Evra said it, Rooney said it and even Terry said it. It's nothing new and even today most players play with injuries and taking injections. Football players will barely be a injury/pain free once they start playing 3 games a week.

 

[Nickelodeon]

Pogba and Martial were both good, young and talented footballer before Ole got his hands on them. After Ole they are broken and hardly footballers anymore. Dubai is a great place for recovering. Virgil van Dijk did it, Memphis did it (just example because they are Dutch). Dubai has superb facilities and its nice weather too. Recovering from an injury is bad enough, why not do it at a place that has the best facilities, nice weather and where rich people seem to love spending their time.

Martial played with injuries, he told so in interviews and sure looked like he did. Right now it looks like Martial isnt even able to sprint and dribble anymore. Rashford played with injuries. Pogba came back from injuries only to go off injured again. Surely that seems rushed. Ole doesnt have to be mean to get players to play with an injury. He can also be nice so, if asked, the player is willing to sacrifice for him. Who knows. It could all be a coincidence but Ole was fighting tooth and nail to keep his job so why not risk a few players in the proces? He seems a nice man so surely he didnt intend to break the player but that doesnt mean it cant happen.

If Ole was actually responsible, Pogba wouldn't take a second to throw him under the bus. There were a lot of mistakes made under Ole but let's not invent stuff now.

 

[Silas]

I don't know what is so hard to comprehend here. I need to like a player in order to sympathize with him. Pogba fecked United over multiple times, whined like a little girl, acted like a spoiled brat in the process, had a leech of an agent and was ineffective on the pitch for United 90% of the time. As an added bonus his general off pitch behavior and style is really not my type. So yeah I really don't like him. That brings me to a phase that I really don't care what kind of injury he has and for how long he is out. I can even bring myself to malicious smirk or chuckle while hearing he is injured. If he never plays again surprise there will be zero f's given from my side. And if you will mourn every day that he is injured until he plays again be my guest.

Imagine typing this out, reading it back and still posting it. So strange.

 

[sokol11]

Imagine typing this out, reading it back and still posting it. So strange.

There are people that will never type out or say such stuff but that doesn't mean they don't think it. Such fake behavior/tolerance is all around us. Get off your high horse. You have only positive and righteous thoughts don't you?

 

[Slevs]

There are people that will never type out or say such stuff but that doesn't mean they don't think it. Such fake behavior/tolerance is all around us. Get off your high horse. You have only positive and righteous thoughts don't you?

3 second search in the Weghorst thread

He’s what I imagine McT would be like up top. With added donkey.

Almost most of us have not nice things to say about all players, its normal.


Re: Pogba. I always said it was a mistake renewing him again after his contract was expiring. Good that he rejected us, replacing his role in the squad with Eriksen was a very good decision.

 

[InfiniteBoredom]

There are people that will never type out or say such stuff but that doesn't mean they don't think it. Such fake behavior/tolerance is all around us. Get off your high horse. You have only positive and righteous thoughts don't you?

Surely you recognize that there’s a gulf of difference between saying a player is shit and you don’t want to see him playing for your club, and actively revelling in said player being injured?

It’s the difference between telling someone they are a cnut and wishing a car run them over, one is run of the mill dickish behavior, the other is sociopathic.

 

[sugar_kane]

That's not true, Pogba was always a injury prone player.

2014-15 - missed 50 days
2017-18 - missed 63 days
2018-19 - missed 18 days even before Ole took over
2019-20 - he barely played and was injured

People talk about that Watford game or other game where he played 45 mins before getting injured but he was already injury prone before that.

Plenty of players said they played with injuries, Evra said it, Rooney said it and even Terry said it. It's nothing new and even today most players play with injuries and taking injections. Football players will barely be a injury/pain free once they start playing 3 games a week.

Don't be daft mate, that Watford game was the first instance in footballing history where a player got injured again after just returning back from a long spell out.

I wouldn't be surprised if Ole took a sledgehammer to his ankle in the dressing room afterwards, the beast.

Can we even say for certain that Ole isn't the guiding hand behind the whole blackmail saga as well?

 

[sokol11]

Surely you recognize that there’s a gulf of difference between saying a player is shit and you don’t want to see him playing for your club, and actively revelling in said player being injured?

It’s the difference between telling someone they are a cnut and wishing a car run them over, one is run of the mill dickish behavior, the other is sociopathic.

Let's stop this discussion because it is going nowhere. I don't actively revel in some players injury, I don't prepare a week of celebrations because of that. But if upon hearing of someone's injury that you don't like a thought goes through your mind, a smirk comes up, cnut had it coming it does not mean you are a psychopath. On the other hand there is a dark side in all of us some just don't admit it is there. We also had many very dark characters celebrated and reveled in our team because they were our bastards. But in today's snowflake world it seems we live in a world of saints and political correctness and of course indeterminate genders. So it is best to smile and wave and be done with it.

 

[MackRobinson]

Let's stop this discussion because it is going nowhere. I don't actively revel in some players injury, I don't prepare a week of celebrations because of that. But if upon hearing of someone's injury that you don't like a thought goes through your mind, a smirk comes up, cnut had it coming it does not mean you are a psychopath. On the other hand there is a dark side in all of us some just don't admit it is there. We also had many very dark characters celebrated and reveled in our team because they were our bastards. But in today's snowflake world it seems we live in a world of saints and political correctness and of course indeterminate genders. So it is best to smile and wave and be done with it.

Doesn't mean a person is necessarily a psychopath but they are clearly pretty shitty humans.

And of course, the trusted "snowflake" term makes an appearance.

"Shitty people can be loved and accepted, so why not me? You're a snowflake if you don't let me expose the worst parts of my character on the internet rather than to my therapist" At least we know where your head is at.

 

[sokol11]

Doesn't mean a person is necessarily a psychopath but they are clearly pretty shitty humans.

And of course, the trusted "snowflake" term makes an appearance.

"Shitty people can be loved and accepted, so why not me? You're a snowflake if you don't let me expose the worst parts of my character on the internet rather than to my therapist" At least we know where your head is at.

You know about prizes for winning the arguments on the internet right? And who are you to judge who is a shitty person? Do you identify as one?

 

[MackRobinson]

You know about prizes for winning the arguments on the internet right? And who are you to judge who is a shitty person? Do you identify as one?

I'm not arguing or judging. Just translating your rants for all of us snowflakes who are scared to be the worst version of ourselves on the internet.

 

[sokol11]

I'm not arguing or judging. Just translating your rants for all of us snowflakes who are scared to be the worst version of ourselves on the internet.

You were judging and labeling me multiple times in your posts. Try to be the best version of yourself. But speak your mind even if not everyone will like it. In the long run it will be bettter for you. And get of your high horse once in a while.

 

[MackRobinson]

You were judging and labeling me multiple times in your posts. Try to be the best version of yourself. But speak your mind even if not everyone will like it. In the long run it will be bettter for you. And get of your high horse once in a while.

Not judging you but absolutely labeling you by the content of your posts.

Have no sympathy for him.

Petty

Pogba fecked United over multiple times, whined like a little girl, acted like a spoiled brat in the process, had a leech of an agent and was ineffective on the pitch for United 90% of the time.

Bitter

I can even bring myself to malicious smirk or chuckle while hearing he is injured.

Shitty

Many successfull people are extremely competitive, petty, sore losers speaking freely their mind no matter their public perception or consequences.

Acceptance of pettiness

On the other hand there is a dark side in all of us some just don't admit it is there. We also had many very dark characters celebrated and reveled in our team because they were our bastards. But in today's snowflake world it seems we live in a world of saints and political correctness and of course indeterminate genders. So it is best to smile and wave and be done with it.

Acceptance of shittiness

Let me know what I missed.

 

[sokol11]

Not judging you but absolutely labeling you by the content of your posts.



Petty


Bitter


Shitty


Acceptance of pettiness


Acceptance of shittiness

Let me know what I missed.

That all this is just your interpretation. With which I don't agree. But if it makes you happy lets pretend that you won the internet argument and move on.

 

[roonster09]

Don't be daft mate, that Watford game was the first instance in footballing history where a player got injured again after just returning back from a long spell out.

I wouldn't be surprised if Ole took a sledgehammer to his ankle in the dressing room afterwards, the beast.

Can we even say for certain that Ole isn't the guiding hand behind the whole blackmail saga as well?

Don't give them the ideas, it won't be long before we see this shit on twitter.

 

[InfiniteBoredom]

That's not true, Pogba was always a injury prone player.

2014-15 - missed 50 days
2017-18 - missed 63 days
2018-19 - missed 18 days even before Ole took over
2019-20 - he barely played and was injured

People talk about that Watford game or other game where he played 45 mins before getting injured but he was already injury prone before that.

This is such a weird way to make your point, so let’s skip all of the seasons he was healthy and listed the seasons he did get injured in to mark him as ‘injury prone’.

12/13 - no major injuries (he was being bedded in, played relatively little, 2300 ish minutes total at club level)
13/14 - no major injuries, 4192 mins
14/15 - hamstring injury, 11 games missed, 3340 mins
15/16 - no major injuries, 4284 mins
16/17 - no major injuries, one hamstring injury, 3 games missed, 4346 mins
17/18 - Thigh injury, 12 games missed, 2879 mins
18/19 - no major injuries, 4 games missed, 4008 mins

That’s all at club level, not counting internationals. He had 2 big injuries in 7 years since he started playing senior football, no recurring problems, played 30+ league games in 4 seasons, one 26, one 27. If that’s injury prone then pretty much all pro footballers not named Bruno Fernandes are injury prone. It was not until his ankle injury in 19/20 that ended up putting him out for 5 months in total that his issues ballooned up.

 

[Remember the geese]

Pogba was always a injury prone player.

People enjoy shitting on the guy, but this is a flat out lie.

 

[roonster09]

This is such a weird way to make your point, so let’s skip all of the seasons he was healthy and listed the seasons he did get injured in to mark him as ‘injury prone’.

12/13 - no major injuries (he was being bedded in, played relatively little, 2300 ish minutes total at club level)
13/14 - no major injuries, 4192 mins
14/15 - hamstring injury, 11 games missed, 3340 mins
15/16 - no major injuries, 4284 mins
16/17 - no major injuries, one hamstring injury, 3 games missed, 4346 mins
17/18 - Thigh injury, 12 games missed, 2879 mins
18/19 - no major injuries, 4 games missed, 4008 mins

That’s all at club level, not counting internationals. He had 2 big injuries in 7 years since he started playing senior football, no recurring problems, played 30+ league games in 4 seasons, one 26, one 27. If that’s injury prone then pretty much all pro footballers not named Bruno Fernandes are injury prone. It was not until his ankle injury in 19/20 that ended up putting him out for 5 months in total that his issues ballooned up.

Any more weirder than people using that ankle injury for every muscle injury for Pogba? He was already missing at least a month injured every season (except 2016-17) before his ankle injury vs Newcastle.

After the ankle injury he missed
130 days because of hamstring injury,
35 days - calf injury
50 days - muscular injury
150 days - Knee injury
80 days - Thigh muscle injury
50+ days - muscle injury

but yeah that ankle injury broke him and it was Ole who is the big reason for his muscle injuries.

Also in 2014-15 he missed 2 months because of injury
2017-18 - 2 months because of injury
2018-19 - 1 month because of injury
2019-20 - even before Newcastle game, he missed 114 days because of injuries. After that Newcastle game he missed extended period and was back during restart. After that he had only one ankle injury but yeah it was Ole who broke him.

It's hilarious that Ole is blamed for Pogba's muscular issues which has nothing to do with ankle injury.

 

[roonster09]

People enjoy shitting on the guy, but this is a flat out lie.

Flat out lie for the people who think Ole broke him, but for logical thinking people it isn't.

 

[Remember the geese]

Flat out lie for the people who think Ole broke him, but for logical thinking people it isn't.

It doesn't necessarily have to be an Ole issue. Could just be a coincidence. Although Ole did run Rashford into the ground. Pogba was never injury prone up until his last year or two at United.

 

[InfiniteBoredom]

Any more weirder than people using that ankle injury for every muscle injury for Pogba? He was already missing at least a month injured every season (except 2016-17) before his ankle injury vs Newcastle.

You have to back up your claim here, I can find nothing for 12/13, 13/14, 15/16, 16/17 that suggests he was out for at least a month during those seasons. As I’ve put up the minutes played above, he played the equivalent of 45+ full matches at club level alone during 3 of those seasons, and did the same again in 18/19, that’s not injury prone.

After the ankle injury he missed
130 days because of hamstring injury,
35 days - calf injury
50 days - muscular injury
150 days - Knee injury
80 days - Thigh muscle injury
50+ days - muscle injury

but yeah that ankle injury broke him and it was Ole who is the big reason for his muscle injuries.

Also in 2014-15 he missed 2 months because of injury
2017-18 - 2 months because of injury
2018-19 - 1 month because of injury
2019-20 - even before Newcastle game, he missed 114 days because of injuries. After that Newcastle game he missed extended period and was back during restart. After that he had only one ankle injury but yeah it was Ole who broke him.

It's hilarious that Ole is blamed for Pogba's muscular issues which has nothing to do with ankle injury.

The ankle injury taken in isolation, could be a coincidence, but the way he injured it again was the issue, and his fitness woes since also echoed others that Ole relied on.

You also have your timeline mixed up there, 19/20 was Ole’s first full season in charge, he took over before the Newcastle game in 18/19, coincidentally the last time Pogba played more than 4k minutes.

 

[Nevilles.Wear.Prada]

Oh no..



Anyway..

 

[roonster09]

It doesn't necessarily have to be an Ole issue. Could just be a coincidence. Although Ole did run Rashford into the ground. Pogba was never injury prone up until his last year or two at United.

Pogba played 16,26,20 league games in last 3 seasons, the 16 games he played was also because of extended break due to Covid, otherwise he would have ended up with 5+ games in that season.

He also missed 100+ days before the watford/newcastle game for which Ole got the blame. He missed 2 months in 2017-18 and 1 month in 2018-19 and then had ankle issues before the dreaded newcastle game.

 

[roonster09]

You have to back up your claim here, I can find nothing for 12/13, 13/14, 15/16, 16/17 that suggests he was out for at least a month during those seasons. As I’ve put up the minutes played above, he played the equivalent of 45+ full matches at club level alone during 3 of those seasons, and did the same again in 18/19, that’s not injury prone.


The ankle injury taken in isolation, could be a coincidence, but the way he injured it again was the issue, and his fitness woes since also echoed others that Ole relied on.

You also have your timeline mixed up there, 19/20 was Ole’s first full season in charge, he took over before the Newcastle game in 18/19, coincidentally the last time Pogba played more than 4k minutes.

I was talking about ManUtd when I said every season except 2016-17, I should have mentioned that.

Pogba getting muscular issues has nothing to do with his ankle. If he had a recurring ankle issues then I would have agreed that Ole broke him and should have handled his ankle issues better but no, Pogba injuries has nothing to do with Ole. It was hamstring, knee, back and every possible injury except Ankle.

Also not sure which timeline you are talking about, 2019-20 he was injured from the start of the season with cameo appearance here and there, then played few mins vs Watford and Newcastle. Vs Newcastle he injured his ankle again. This is the game Ole was getting shat on, saying he broke Pogba. Pogba already missed 100+ days before this game. He played perfectly fine when he recovered and played during project restart and then he had lot of other muscular issues which has nothing to do with Ankle injury

Also Ole didn't become ManUtd manager just before Newcastle game in 2018-19, it was after Liverpool game and before Cardiff game, not that it is any important.

 

[Remember the geese]

Pogba played 16,26,20 league games in last 3 seasons, the 16 games he played was also because of extended break due to Covid, otherwise he would have ended up with 5+ games in that season.

He also missed 100+ days before the watford/newcastle game for which Ole got the blame. He missed 2 months in 2017-18 and 1 month in 2018-19 and then had ankle issues before the dreaded newcastle game.

He definitely became injury prone, but it's wrong to say that he was always injury prone. The thigh injury he picked up in 17/18 wasn't representative of any proneness to injury. Players pick up the odd injury now and then. That's normal.

 

[roonster09]

He definitely became injury prone, but it's wrong to say that he was always injury prone. The thigh injury he picked up in 17/18 wasn't representative of any proneness to injury. Players pick up the odd injury now and then. That's normal.

Ok then let's say from 2019-20 start of the season he was injury prone player and his injuries has nothing to do with the ankle injury he suffered vs Newcastle.

 

[Remember the geese]

Ok then let's say from 2019-20 start of the season he was injury prone player and his injuries has nothing to do with the ankle injury he suffered vs Newcastle.

Yeah I'd possibly agree that 19/20 was the very start of it all. However, the following season he still made 42 appearances in all comps for United and had a strong showing at the Euro's.

 

[InfiniteBoredom]

I was talking about ManUtd when I said every season except 2016-17, I should have mentioned that.

This is a very arbitrary cut off point, and even then, picking up one big injury in 3 seasons and played 4000+ minutes in the other two doesn’t suggest injury-proneness. He was injury prone after 19/20, not before, not always.

Pogba getting muscular issues has nothing to do with his ankle. If he had a recurring ankle issues then I would have agreed that Ole broke him and should have handled his ankle issues better but no, Pogba injuries has nothing to do with Ole. It was hamstring, knee, back and every possible injury except Ankle.

Also not sure which timeline you are talking about, 2019-20 he was injured from the start of the season with cameo appearance here and there, then played few mins vs Watford and Newcastle. Vs Newcastle he injured his ankle again. This is the game Ole was getting shat on, saying he broke Pogba. Pogba already missed 100+ days before this game. He played perfectly fine when he recovered and played during project restart and then he had lot of other muscular issues which has nothing to do with Ankle injury

Injury to one part of the body can lead to complications in others, so you can’t categorically absolve Ole of any mismanagement just because he wasn’t breaking his ankle repeatedly thereafter. However, it wasn’t that one recurring injury in isolation, it’s his ballooning fitness issue after that suggest something deeper than mere bad luck, and the reason why I pinned the blame on Ole’s approach to managing his players fitness in general. Take Martial’s record:

Before Ole:
15/16: 3 games missed
16/17: 2 games missed
17/18: 5 games missed ( 2 for illness)
18/19: 2 games missed (1 for illness)

After Ole:
18/19: 8 games missed
19/20: 9 games missed - longest injury 56 days
20/21: 17 games missed - longest injury = 126 days
21/22: 6 games missed (before Jan)

Rashford:
Before Ole:
-

After Ole:
18/19: -
19/20: 16 games missed, longest injury 141 days
20/21: -, shoulder injury 12 days
21/22: 12 games missed, longest injury 93 days (shoulder)

Which is likelier, 3 players with pretty pristine fitness record prior to his arrival suddenly all had bad luck and developed serious issues, or there was something wrong with the coaching set up and game load management that created chronic issues, something like playing while injured for a long time, perhaps? Which is of course confirmed by one of the above.

I don’t believe everything wrong with this club under Ole’s tenure was down to him, but I do believe he was very poor at rotation and ran his team to the ground on several occasions, the collapse in 18/19 run in post PSG, end of season 20/21, and had played unfit players because he needed them due to result pressure (Maguire 2-4 Leicester rings a bell?) That several of his most trusted players developed long term fitness issues under him, as a result of that, is pretty obvious, but if you want to believe that it had nothing to do with his management and all down to the players then there’s no point arguing any further.

 

[roonster09]

This is a very arbitrary cut off point, and even then, picking up one big injury in 3 seasons and played 4000+ minutes in the other two doesn’t suggest injury-proneness. He was injury prone after 19/20, not before, not always.



Injury to one part of the body can lead to complications in others, so you can’t categorically absolve Ole of any mismanagement just because he wasn’t breaking his ankle repeatedly thereafter. However, it wasn’t that one recurring injury in isolation, it’s his ballooning fitness issue after that suggest something deeper than mere bad luck, and the reason why I pinned the blame on Ole’s approach to managing his players fitness in general. Take Martial’s record:

Before Ole:
15/16: 3 games missed
16/17: 2 games missed
17/18: 5 games missed ( 2 for illness)
18/19: 2 games missed (1 for illness)

After Ole:
18/19: 8 games missed
19/20: 9 games missed - longest injury 56 days
20/21: 17 games missed - longest injury = 126 days
21/22: 6 games missed (before Jan)

Rashford:
Before Ole:
-

After Ole:
18/19: -
19/20: 16 games missed, longest injury 141 days
20/21: -, shoulder injury 12 days
21/22: 12 games missed, longest injury 93 days (shoulder)

Which is likelier, 3 players with pretty pristine fitness record prior to his arrival suddenly all had bad luck and developed serious issues, or there was something wrong with the coaching set up and game load management that created chronic issues, something like playing while injured for a long time, perhaps? Which is of course confirmed by one of the above.

I don’t believe everything wrong with this club under Ole’s tenure was down to him, but I do believe he was very poor at rotation and ran his team to the ground on several occasions, the collapse in 18/19 run in post PSG, end of season 20/21, and had played unfit players because he needed them due to result pressure (Maguire 2-4 Leicester rings a bell?) That several of his most trusted players developed long term fitness issues under him, as a result of that, is pretty obvious, but if you want to believe that it had nothing to do with his management and all down to the players then there’s no point arguing any further.

Rashford one was on Ole, not Pogba. This is the post I was talking about, people somehow blaming Ole for Pogba every body part injury is hilarious.

When you make deep runs into the cup, players will end up playing more, this doesn't apply for Pogba who barely played. If you think Pogba playing 40 games is something unmanageable then he isn't fit for a top level sport. 40+ games is nothing, something you expect every player to play.

Same with Martial, it's hilarious Ole is getting blame for this and even you come up with "ran into the ground" when Martial wasn't playing week in week out. He was injured most of the time and once Cavani was singed, Cavani played a lot with Martial getting lot of rest.

One of Martial's biggest injury was thigh strain and it happened on the 2nd or 3rd game in new season, was he ran into the ground in those 3 games? Once he was back he played entire season and had his best season.
And his biggest was in 2020-21 season, guess how he was injured? Playing for France.

Martial suffered the injury during France’s World Cup against Kazakhistan last week.
He started the game brightly and his clever turn and pass set up Ousmane Dembele to make it 1-0 against the team ranked 122nd in the world.
Martial then jarred his knee, however, and went off after receiving treatment. He was replaced by Kylian Mbappe.

So his biggest injury was when he jarred his knee playing for France and his second best was thigh injury in the 3rd game of the season, which has nothing to do with "running them into the ground". Now tell me how exactly was it Ole's fault for Martial's endless injuries when Ole was sacked by the time Martial was fully fit.

 

[TsuWave]

A lot of you should be ashamed of yourselves. Talking about Pogba as if he wronged you personally Idiots

It’s so insane, a guy said he smirked/chuckled when hearing about him getting injured. Scary stuff.

 

[InfiniteBoredom]

So his biggest injury was when he jarred his knee playing for France and his second best was thigh injury in the 3rd game of the season, which has nothing to do with "running them into the ground". Now tell me how exactly was it Ole's fault for Martial's endless injuries when Ole was sacked by the time Martial was fully fit.

Straight from the horse’s mouth

I regularly played injured. People don’t know it, I couldn’t accelerate during the four months following the Covid season. The coach tells me he needs me, so I play.

"But, given my game, if I can’t accelerate, it becomes very complicated all the same. And I got set on fire [criticised by fans]… the coach never bothered to tell the media.

"Obviously, I ended up getting injured for good and when I came back, finished, I didn’t play anymore.

So unless you name him a liar, he pretty explicitly told the whole world that his injury issues were down to playing injured, chronically, at Ole’s request.

 

[roonster09]

Straight from the horse’s mouth



So unless you name him a liar, he pretty explicitly told the whole world that his injury issues were down to playing injured, chronically, at Ole’s request.

So was he playing with injury when France called him up? He was injured because of freak accident that ended his season. Ofcourse he might have niggling issues, something most players have. Terry played entire season taking injections, Fabregas took injections and played, same with Rooney and so many other players.

His problem was not playing with niggling injury, it was Ole not telling the media to protect him, if it's true then it's a shit move by Ole. Point is, he played for France and then had a freak accident which lead to his biggest injury. By the time he was back and fit, Ole was gone. Martial's recurring injuries has nothing to do with Ole.

 

[InfiniteBoredom]

So was he playing with injury when France called him up? He was injured because of freak accident that ended his season. Ofcourse he might have niggling issues, something most players have. Terry played entire season taking injections, Fabregas took injections and played, same with Rooney and so many other players.

His problem was not playing with niggling injury, it was Ole not telling the media to protect him, if it's true then it's a shit move by Ole. Point is, he played for France and then had a freak accident which lead to his biggest injury. By the time he was back and fit, Ole was gone. Martial's recurring injuries has nothing to do with Ole.

He couldn’t accelerate, if you couldn’t run then that’s more than just ‘niggling’, and if you play injured for months then your chance of injuring other parts of the body tend to increase. And from the way he said it ‘obviously, you ended up injured for good’, it’s clear that he put him blowing his knee out on the injuries in the preceding months.

Rooney is a great example, took an injection to last 45 mins against Bayern, ended up aggravating his metatarsal even further and was out for the run in + shit for WC. Yes, players do play with injuries and injection all the time, most of them ill-advised, because coaches can’t see past the next result. Just because it’s the norms in the sport doesn’t mean it should be encouraged, we stop kids from heading at a young age and penalize two footed tackle for a reason, after all.

 

[Velvet Revolver]

I think it's time to create a poll for who broke Pogba.

 

[roonster09]

He couldn’t accelerate, if you couldn’t run then that’s more than just ‘niggling’, and if you play injured for months then your chance of injuring other parts of the body tend to increase. And from the way he said it ‘obviously, you ended up injured for good’, it’s clear that he put him blowing his knee out on the injuries in the preceding months.

Rooney is a great example, took an injection to last 45 mins against Bayern, ended up aggravating his metatarsal even further and was out for the run in + shit for WC. Yes, players do play with injuries and injection all the time, most of them ill-advised, because coaches can’t see past the next result. Just because it’s the norms in the sport doesn’t mean it should be encouraged, we stop kids from heading at a young age and penalize two footed tackle for a reason, after all.

He didn't have problem playing for National team, did Deschamps also asked him to play while injured?

Yeah Rooney is a great example, did anyone blame the Bayern game for the ankle, hamstring, shoulder injuries in 2012-13 or 2016-17 season?

 

[Freak]

I think it's time to create a poll for who broke Pogba.

The conditions are not suitable for him to play injury free. Just like how his midfield partners were not suitable to get the best out of him. There’s always excuses for Pogba.

 

[InfiniteBoredom]

He didn't have problem playing for National team, did Deschamps also asked him to play while injured?

It’s his National team, which just won the WC (that he missed), with the Euro coming up, you tell me if he wanted to put himself in contention, injured or not.

Yeah Rooney is a great example, did anyone blame the Bayern game for the ankle, hamstring, shoulder injuries in 2012-13 or 2016-17 season?

Rushing back for all those summer tournaments probably played a part in him being done by 28. Of course, genetics and the occasional booze binge did their share too.

 

[roonster09]

It’s his National team, which just won the WC (that he missed), with the Euro coming up, you tell me if he wanted to put himself in contention, injured or not.



Rushing back for all those summer tournaments probably played a part in him being done by 28. Of course, genetics and the occasional booze binge did their share too.

Then surely he should be blamed rather than manager? He was the one who wanted to play for NT and he was injured playing for them. From that time, he had consistent injuries.

Rooney barely got any serious injuries after Bayern game, he played lot of games and his first major injury was in 2015-16, I hope the Bayern game isn't blamed for this one too.

He was done at 28 because of his lifestyle and playing style.

 

[InfiniteBoredom]

Then surely he should be blamed rather than manager? He was the one who wanted to play for NT and he was injured playing for them. From that time, he had consistent injuries.

It can be both? The manager shouldn’t have played him injured for months and he should’ve known better than to push himself too far, but the blame isn’t equal. Without one the other wouldn’t have existed.

Rooney barely got any serious injuries after Bayern game, he played lot of games and his first major injury was in 2015-16, I hope the Bayern game isn't blamed for this one too.

He was done at 28 because of his lifestyle and playing style.

That injury alone wasn’t the cause but the accumulated wear and tear was pretty noticeable. The 2nd half of 10/11 was probably the last period that he was consistently playing well. 11/12 he scored a lot of goals but his open play dropped palpably and 12/13 was the same. I agree that his lifestyle didn’t help matter but it wasn’t as if he ran out of stamina due to the benders, at 28 he just lost his agility and speed despite working hard still. Multiple sprained ankle and metatarsal injuries over the years definitely played a part, he was getting one practically every season.

 

[roonster09]

It can be both? The manager shouldn’t have played him injured for months and he should’ve known better than to push himself too far, but the blame isn’t equal. Without one the other wouldn’t have existed.


That injury alone wasn’t the cause but the accumulated wear and tear was pretty noticeable. The 2nd half of 10/11 was probably the last period that he was consistently playing well. 11/12 he scored a lot of goals but his open play dropped palpably and 12/13 was the same. I agree that his lifestyle didn’t help matter but it wasn’t as if he ran out of stamina due to the benders, at 28 he just lost his agility and speed despite working hard still. Multiple sprained ankle and metatarsal injuries over the years definitely played a part, he was getting one practically every season.

You are making it sound like Martial was asked to play from his deathbed.

If knee injury was bothering him so much he wouldn't have played for french NT at all or even for ManUtd. Why isn't Deschamps blamed for the injury? Why isn't Martial blamed for the injury.

For some odd reason only at ManUtd players career is done by one injury. They can never recover from that.