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Club Sale | It’s done!

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Wibble

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I personally agree with this, but I can just imagine the British press if another country, or god forbid the EU, suggested we get rid of them, the Mail and the Express alone would have a field day and it would probably dramatically increase favourable opinions towards the royal family.
Mail and Express reader probably already get hard when any article about the royals is published and you can't make them more pro-Royal.
 

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Mail and Express reader probably already get hard when any article about the royals is published and you can't make them more pro-Royal.
Look what happened the last time the press told us the EU was telling us what to do!

TAKE BACK CONTROL
 

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The last thing we want is a British version of the Glazers. Imagine the American and the British version of the Glazers working together, we will be the laughing stock.
 

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Just read the Nice fans are protesting? :lol:

No shit. They have a multi billionaire owner who hasn't progressed the team at all.

Sitting mid table in France after 4 years is a failure.
 

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If Ratcliffe was American his very same supporters would be vilifying him and shitting the prospect of him becoming owner.

But because he's 'one of our own' (with a Chelsea season ticket) and the Qataris will apparently turn Manchester into a medieval landscape, then he's supposedly our best option.
 

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If Ratcliffe was American his very same supporters would be vilifying him and shitting the prospect of him becoming owner.

But because he's 'one of our own' (with a Chelsea season ticket) and the Qataris will apparently turn Manchester into a medieval landscape, then he's supposedly our best option.
Sounds like extreme nationalism?
 

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Just read the Nice fans are protesting? :lol:

No shit. They have a multi billionaire owner who hasn't progressed the team at all.

Sitting mid table in France after 4 years is a failure.
“Yeah but INEOS revenues are huge. Utds is a drop in the ocean in comparison.”
 

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Nice have qualified for a European competition twice since the INEOS takeover. So far its one qualification every two years. Thats perfectly fine for a club like Nice.
 

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And I find the obsession with, and the existence of the, royals both ludicrous and archaic, and I'd have no problem with anyone stating that they had problems with it.
We had experience of what a Presidential style Head of State would be like under Blair. I don't think our royalty have instigated sending out forces out to commit genocide because they wanted to kiss the arse of a USA president.

Be careful what you wish for.
 

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If Ratcliffe was American his very same supporters would be vilifying him and shitting the prospect of him becoming owner.

But because he's 'one of our own' (with a Chelsea season ticket) and the Qataris will apparently turn Manchester into a medieval landscape, then he's supposedly our best option.
Suspect there’s a big overlap in the Venn diagram between Jim supporters and those that voted for Brexit. Mind you, that was a majority of people in Britain, although I suspect it would be a lot less in favour if you reran the vote now.
 

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We had experience of what a Presidential style Head of State would be like under Blair. I don't think our royalty have instigated sending out forces out to commit genocide because they wanted to kiss the arse of a USA president.

Be careful what you wish for.
Huh? Blair was PM. What has that got to do with getting rid of the Royals.

And the Irish have a very good Presidential model. You don't have to adopt the very odd US model.
 

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Is this actually genuine? I haven't seen it on any other news website. It seems weird that no English newspaper have picked up on this since it can be related to Manchester United.

getfootballnewsfrance doesn't exactly sound reliable.
The original interview is from L'equipe.

This paints a dark picture. The whole Ineos thing is more and more beginning to look like the Glazers but with a british passport.
 

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Is this actually genuine? I haven't seen it on any other news website. It seems weird that no English newspaper have picked up on this since it can be related to Manchester United.

getfootballnewsfrance doesn't exactly sound reliable.
And risk souring opinions on Britain's own Sir Jim
 

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Suspect there’s a big overlap in the Venn diagram between Jim supporters and those that voted for Brexit. Mind you, that was a majority of people in Britain, although I suspect it would be a lot less in favour if you reran the vote now.
You are comparing apples with oranges though.

A choice between Sir Jim and Qatar is in no way comparable with voting to leave or remain in the EU.
 

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It's bizarre that so many United fans support oppression of women and democratic groups in Qatar.
These sort of posts are so dumb. Literally nobody on here supports either of these. Some people want the Qatari bid because they believe the club will be run better under them than under Ratcliffe. This obviously does not equal supporting oppression of women or democratic groups. It's like asking why so many United fans support INEOS' commitment to destroying the planet and advancing global warming.
 

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Huh? Blair was PM. What has that got to do with getting rid of the Royals.

And the Irish have a very good Presidential model. You don't have to adopt the very odd US model.
Because if you get rid of the Royal Family, you will have to have a style replacement and we had that with Blair. When you wish to get rid of a system [as you obviously would have no problem with when getting rid of the Royals], you have to use your brain and think what would replace it.

And Ireland is a basket case being supported by EU money and totally hampered by religious beliefs, so good luck with that.
 

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I have no idea either, yet.
These sort of posts are so dumb. Literally nobody on here supports either of these. Some people want the Qatari bid because they believe the club will be run better under them than under Ratcliffe.
Which in a way is dismissing valid concerns and silence is often tantamount to support.
 

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It's bizarre that so many United fans support oppression of women and democratic groups in Qatar.
People support united now. Arent we owned by trump supporters and donators? Directly funding him?
Does that mean we support the killing of innocent civilians in Iraq or do we support gun laws that lead to thousands needlessly killed each year?
 

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These sort of posts are so dumb. Literally nobody on here supports either of these. Some people want the Qatari bid because they believe the club will be run better under them than under Ratcliffe. This obviously does not equal supporting oppression of women or democratic groups. It's like asking why so many United fans support INEOS' commitment to destroying the planet and advancing global warming.
It also has a whiff of 'what the West does is morally right, and what the East does is morally wrong'.
 

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Which in a way is dismissing valid concerns and silence is often tantamount to support.
Why are you supporting a company that's one of the biggest contributors to global warming, the rising extinction of species, the rising level of natural disasters, the rising level of homes being destroyed by said natural disasters, etc. These are all valid concerns also. Apparently you support global warming and all of the above through your silence
 

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I couldn't give a bugger about any of the arguments as long as we sign M'bappe, etc, etc, etc.
 

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Ignoring the source of the money and what it's associated power also does is not exactly engaging the complexities.
Again simplisitic guilt trip. No two societies in the world a exactly the same. Gun law in the US, the condition and treatment of animals in certain countries etc. Societies evolve over time. The UK was different 10 years ago let alone 50 or 100 years ago, just take the welfare of the trans communities, making people feel they have a right to live. However cutting off a society and importantly a football club to punish a different culture/society does not make any sense when the UK Government have encouraged billions of pounds of investment from those nations. We're not even the thin end of the wedge.

Sending your message by cutting off a society does send a message, but doing so when your own nation is not doing so does not make any sense, if you want to make that statement then get the government to legislate and remove all such investment.
 
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Ok assume Joel and Avram stay;

1. 20% no controlling power, no decisions they can only offer advice and hope the club is successful, SJR won’t listen to one thing they say!

2. Qatar will buy another EPL team and in 2 years that Team like Newcastle and City will occupy 3 of the 5 CL spaces allotted by then.

3. SJR owned team with Cycle people in charge maybe even more incompetent than the Glazers who you would hope after 18 years gave sone understanding of Soccer in this country. United, Villa, Spurs, Liverpool, Arsenal now competing for 2 CL spaces

4. The stadium is not renovated, the debt left the club stands still, the shares drop, they still have guaranteed price at year 3 or year 4 but what would their cash have looked like had they invested the lump sum tax free that the sheikh had promised 3-4 years ago, SJR then moves the registration of the club from Cayman Islands to the UK and now they are subject to 15% capital gains tax on their 20% shares and they can’t do one thing about it !

5. The Glazers want to play a cricket game in Qatar with their IPL Franchise to raise money, like other IPL teams but they are blocked

6. The Glazers ask the Qatari for an NFL game in Middle East but again blocked

7. The Glazers want to stay in Clarridges for a meet with SJR in London but the hotel won’t accept their credit card

In short the Qataris will be the worst business losers ever, I would not be surprised that if the Glazers even try to fly into the Middle East or through it for connecting flights, that they banned indefinitely if they turn down the Qatari bid, they want more money it’s simple however SJ might say to his people one more bid of £5.8bn if they say no, we ruin them and guess what it couldn’t happen to nicer People !
You're preaching to the choir here, I'd very much prefer Qatar for many of the reasons you listed.
 

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I do fear Ineos would be Glazers Woodward again. It's very possible Ratcliffe and his friends/family will think they can take the reigns and a big club will be easier to steer somehow. We even have many here saying the same thing but there's plenty of smaller clubs that have been transformed with decision making, Ineos have failed to do that so far. We've spent over a billion and got it all wrong due to people with poor vision and understanding of what's needed, we desperately need expertise and the right recruitments.

City have done everything right regardless of what other type of underhand payments. With what we spent we should've been competing, getting in lots of CL money and paying off a stadium/training grounds.

The more I look at Nice, we could go through the same pals act for 5-10 years while the penny drops they need to employ the right people from outside.

As United have shown, money is nothing without a plan and our owners and their pals have beat the law of averages, it's a catastrophic failure to not even get close to challenging the league in at least one of the past 10 years years or even stumble to a semi-final or final of the CL. We've spent far too long in Europa.
 
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Again simplisitic guilt trip. No two societies in the world a exactly the same. Gun law in the US, the condition and treatment of animals in certain countries etc. Societies evolve over time. The UK was different 10 years ago let alone 50 or 100 years ago, just take the welfare of the trans communities, making people feel they have a right to live. However cutting off a society and importantly a football club to punish a different culture/society does not make any sense when the UK Government have encouraged billions of pounds of investment from those nations. We're not even the thin end of the wedge.

Sending your message by cutting off a society does sent a message, but doing so when your own nation is not doing so does not make any sense, if you want to make that statement then get the government to legislate and remove all such investment.
I'd be against most governments (possibly all) buying United, for various reasons.

But if we ranked states then Qatar would be very far down the list of desired owners.
 
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