League was lost by Haller today, such a mediocre player.
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I genuinely don't get the decision to have players on the bench if they simply cannot be played. Since the circumstances were clearly there. I get he likely wasn't taking someone else's place theoretically, but it became a pointless distraction.
Wait, did united win eleven consecutive titles then?
I didn’t know I hated Dortmund. Oh well.
Did we win 11 in a row? Must of missed that.
7/10, many of which were hotly contested, whilst having the greatest manager in the history of the game in charge.
Bayern are winning titles with Kovac in charge, whilst imploding mid season etc…
It’s clearly not even close to being the same.
8 titles in 10-11 seasons doesn't scream competitiveness, no matter how much people try to twist it.
Other than United fans, who else was happy to see a team dominate EPL that much?
Now Guardiola and City are on their way to do something similar now.
Bayern have won 11 in a row by a combined 136pts
Utd 92-03 won 8 and their combined 'lead' over 1st/2nd was 51pts
Admittedly, people did also get bored of United though, but I wouldn't want to know what it'd be like if it was like Bayern, and they were more or less handed it on a platter when they shouldn't have won it
It was 7 in more than 11, no? And those 7 were hard fought. The two aren't comparable.
Edit: ah I counted wrong, was 8 in more than 11. Still, there's clearly a world of difference in how competitive the two are/were.
Having the greatest manager doesn't change anything for other people perspective.
Guardiola is one best managers in history, and i saw many in this forum complaining that City dominance of EPL is boring.
Just because the one dominating is a great manager doesn't mean other people will see it and say : "Look, their dominance isn't boring because their manager is one of the best ever"... nobody cares about that, all they see is the same team winning, and other teams bottling their chance(like Arsenal this season).
No it was 8. 2-1-2-1-3-1-1
And there were some piss easy ones to be fair, 00-01 specifically. But probably the first 2 really too. But Bayern have won 11 with an average of 12pts! It's utterly crazy, United's run is at an average of 7, and I see Pep mentioned up there, his 5 in 6 is only actually at an average of just short of 4pts...
And when Kovac won it was on the last day of the season.
For most of these 11 titles, Bayern have been one of the top 3 clubs in Europe, they would've won majority of the titles in any other league, winning 2 UCLs and consistently reaching the semi final stage. We weren't at the top of Europe at during the 90s, as weren't any English clubs at that time for that matter.
Yeah, there were a couple that we walked, that's fair. I don't remember going into a season where the neutrals were as confident that we'd win the league as most are re bayern these days, though.
Points difference don't matter if people watch same team winning.Bayern have won 11 in a row by a combined 136pts
Utd 92-03 won 8 and their combined 'lead' over 1st/2nd was 51pts
Admittedly, people did also get bored of United though, but I wouldn't want to know what it'd be like if it was like Bayern, and they were more or less handed it on a platter when they shouldn't have won it
Bayern won on GD this season...Does it make it any better for neutrals watch Bayern win again? Really?
I want to make it clear though. I am not someone coming into the thread and going “Bundi is shit” and running away laughing.
I think some of the big clubs in Germany have fantastic histories, great fan bases and deserve much better.
My annoyance comes from genuine frustration that the league has become what it has become. So many lost giants of the game.
I want to watch, but I want to watch a competitive league. This is just boring and frustrating. Dortmund today almost makes you angry to watch.
City’s recent period of dominance isn’t boring. We all know why they are at the top, and the league would be much better off without them. That’s a different issue entirely.
Comparing Bayern today to United in the period you selected isn’t nearly the same, and absolutely had to do with Sir Alex Ferguson.
Bayern can do whatever they want, and they still win every year.
United was by far the best english team during 90s EPL, they had the best players in the league, other than Bergkamp and Henry on Arsenal.
It's when Chelsea was bought by Abramovich that United was not the biggest favorite to win the league anymore.
I don't really get where you are going here, but surely points difference does matter. The interest in the Bundesliga isn't there today if there's a 10pt difference with Bayern at the top... instead you get arguably one of the biggest days in Bundesliga, at least in recent memory, trending in places it normally doesn't trend at all.
Do you want to attract new people to be invested in the league or barely watching individuals they have heard their actual is interested in buying? But I don't know how you fix it, and it's barely Bayern's fault, unless I don't know shit which I may not... it's just what it is, until it isn't I guess.
My point is : dominating is never boring for the team who do it, it's people who aren't fan of the team dominating the ones who will call it boring.
That's why I mentioned 90s United as an example, no United fan complained back then that the domination was boring, it was other people (Arsenal fans, Newcastle fans, Liverpool fans, City fans, etc)
Now you see Guardiola dominating, and many non-City fans are complaining that the league is getting boring with City dominance (which will be extended more years until Guardiola leaves).
That wasn't 11 years in a row!
Chelsea, who can barely get through 90 mins without looking like a clown show, outplayed them and knocked them out of Europe. It was the most obvious thing in the world that they would bottle the title after it’s been handed to them on a plate.
Obviously an endless penalty shootout
No because there was a genuine threat each year. And occasionally they’d win a league or two to keep you on your toes.
They haven't been for years, no one but their fans expected them to win today, which is saying a lot about what a reputation as a mentally weak team they have garnered.
United never won 11 in a row.
A lot of those title wins had worthy challengers.
How many times have Bayern been challenged in the past 11 years? I think only 2-3. The rest, they ran away with the title.
So how does the comparison make sense? Yes United dominated the early Premier League years, but never to the extent Bayern has now and they were challenged for a majority of those title success unlike Bayern.
Honestly can't believe they threw away that chance. At home to Mainz in front of a raucous crowd and you can't beat them to pip the worst Bayern in years to the title.
My thoughts exactly. First Tottenham would score an own goal, but since Dortmund doesn't want to win titles they would score one as well, with that they would head into overtime, not score any more goals and have an endless penalty shoot-out, where of course not a single player will score, until one team has to leave because they have to catch their flight.
You guys keep missing @FrankFoot point…The Bayern fans dont care how many they win, they are loving it.
@FrankFoot enjoy it mate and create some memories. One of my biggest regrets is I took the Fergy years for granted and don't ever remember celebrating titles much. I just assumed that was the norm and it would keep on happening.
@FrankFoot enjoy it mate and create some memories. One of my biggest regrets is I took the Fergy years for granted and don't ever remember celebrating titles much. I just assumed that was the norm and it would keep on happening.
I really felt this lack of energy too. With about 5 mins to go Haller got barely touched and he stayed down for a good 3 mins or so. I was like, does he know the title is on the line and they need goals. He wasn't even hurt much.
/r/technicallythetruth
I like @do.ob so I at least feel sorry for him
Is there really people watching matches of a league (apart the last match of the league) for competiveness of a league?
The ones that always watch and pay for things usually are the ones that are fans of a team.
It was closer in the recent years - but Dortmund usually bottled it when Bayern was weak. This year especially.
Thing is that it was soooo close that FC Bayern probably awoke and overthinks the problems they had...
The ones that always watch and pay for things usually are the ones that are fans of a team.
The big point averages were in the first years - not in the last years. Especially in 2012/13 and the Guardiola years.
It was closer in the recent years - but Dortmund usually bottled it when Bayern was weak. This year especially.
Thing is that it was soooo close that FC Bayern probably awoke and overthinks the problems they had...
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Of course there is a certain level of here we go again when a team wins too often but you have to look in the detail. It does indeed matter how the titles are won and if there was a title race. United's period of dominance had 2 or 3 years when the title was sewn up early and there was very little competition. In the other years, there was an actual title race and there was a strong rival that was close to winning it with the evidence being that said challenger did actually win it inbetween those years. This means there was a feeling of uncertainty at the start of the season and throughout it which you can't say about Bayern bar this year from what I can remember.
As for City, they are winning a league that produced 3 other CL finalists in the same period. Liverpool reached 3 CL finals, Chelsea won it and Spurs got to another final with another team in Arsenal mounting a title challenge. That says it's City who are really good and overcoming other really good teams. The Bundesliga produces nothing remotely similar. So whereas it's true that seeing the same team winning all the time can become tiresome, the malaise with the Budesliga is about more than that, it's that that team doesn't even have to be that good to win it because the competition can't convince you they will genuinely compete.
This shit is exactly the reason they’ll always be a B-tier club. Small time bottlers who just like being a nuisance when it comes to selling their players and act like a big club.
They’re world class keyboard warriors though.
HaHa
Idiots. absolutely disgraceful. Hang your heads in shame.
Yep, many still don't get that dominating is only boring for neutrals and the teams who get dominated....never for the ones who dominate.
Now many people are crying that Guardiola is making EPL boring with his dominance (he is), but i have to believe that somehow fans from Arsenal,City, Chelsea, Liverpool, and Newcastle weren't bored of United dominance from 92-2003.
Haller is a mediocre player, and he isn't cut for a team that wants to challenge for trophies.
Typical player who feels comfortable playing for midtable teams, he only looked good playing for Ajax in Eredivisie.
You love to see it innit bruv.