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League was lost by Haller today, such a mediocre player.Our first job will be to get thespursdortmund out of Bellingham
Can't have serial losers at Real Madrid
League was lost by Haller today, such a mediocre player.Our first job will be to get thespursdortmund out of Bellingham
Can't have serial losers at Real Madrid
Wait, did united win eleven consecutive titles then?Were United fans bored of winning EPL from 92 to 2002?
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Did we win 11 in a row? Must of missed that.Were United fans bored of winning EPL from 92 to 2002?
7/10, many of which were hotly contested, whilst having the greatest manager in the history of the game in charge.Were United fans bored of winning EPL from 92 to 2002?
8 titles in 10-11 seasons doesn't scream competitiveness, no matter how much people try to twist it.Wait, did united win eleven consecutive titles then?
Bayern have won 11 in a row by a combined 136ptsWere United fans bored of winning EPL from 92 to 2002?
It was 7 in more than 11, no? And those 7 were hard fought. The two aren't comparable.8 titles in 10-11 seasons doesn't scream competitiveness, no matter how much people try to twist it.
Other than United fans, who else was happy to see a team dominate EPL that much?
Now Guardiola and City are on their way to do something similar now.
Having the greatest manager doesn't change anything for other people perspective.7/10, many of which were hotly contested, whilst having the greatest manager in the history of the game in charge.
Bayern are winning titles with Kovac in charge, whilst imploding mid season etc…
It’s clearly not even close to being the same.
No it was 8. 2-1-2-1-3-1-1It was 7 in more than 11, no? And those 7 were hard fought. The two aren't comparable.
And when Kovac won it was on the last day of the season.7/10, many of which were hotly contested, whilst having the greatest manager in the history of the game in charge.
Bayern are winning titles with Kovac in charge, whilst imploding mid season etc…
It’s clearly not even close to being the same.
Yeah, there were a couple that we walked, that's fair. I don't remember going into a season where the neutrals were as confident that we'd win the league as most are re bayern these days, though.No it was 8. 2-1-2-1-3-1-1
And there were some piss easy ones to be fair, 00-01 specifically. But probably the first 2 really too. But Bayern have won 11 with an average of 12pts! It's utterly crazy, United's run is at an average of 7, and I see Pep mentioned up there, his 5 in 6 is only actually at an average of just short of 4pts...
Points difference don't matter if people watch same team winning.Bayern have won 11 in a row by a combined 136pts
Utd 92-03 won 8 and their combined 'lead' over 1st/2nd was 51pts
Admittedly, people did also get bored of United though, but I wouldn't want to know what it'd be like if it was like Bayern, and they were more or less handed it on a platter when they shouldn't have won it
I want to make it clear though. I am not someone coming into the thread and going “Bundi is shit” and running away laughing.And when Kovac won it was on the last day of the season.
For most of these 11 titles, Bayern have been one of the top 3 clubs in Europe, they would've won majority of the titles in any other league, winning 2 UCLs and consistently reaching the semi final stage. We weren't at the top of Europe at during the 90s, as weren't any English clubs at that time for that matter.
City’s recent period of dominance isn’t boring. We all know why they are at the top, and the league would be much better off without them. That’s a different issue entirely.Having the greatest manager doesn't change anything for other people perspective.
Guardiola is one best managers in history, and i saw many in this forum complaining that City dominance of EPL is boring.
Just because the one dominating is a great manager doesn't mean other people will see it and say : "Look, their dominance isn't boring because their manager is one of the best ever"... nobody cares about that, all they see is the same team winning, and other teams bottling their chance(like Arsenal this season).
United was by far the best english team during 90s EPL, they had the best players in the league, other than Bergkamp and Henry on Arsenal.Yeah, there were a couple that we walked, that's fair. I don't remember going into a season where the neutrals were as confident that we'd win the league as most are re bayern these days, though.
I don't really get where you are going here, but surely points difference does matter. The interest in the Bundesliga isn't there today if there's a 10pt difference with Bayern at the top... instead you get arguably one of the biggest days in Bundesliga, at least in recent memory, trending in places it normally doesn't trend at all.Points difference don't matter if people watch same team winning.
Bayern won on GD this season...Does it make it any better for neutrals watch Bayern win again? Really?
My point is : dominating is never boring for the team who do it, it's people who aren't fan of the team dominating the ones who will call it boring.I don't really get where you are going here, but surely points difference does matter. The interest in the Bundesliga isn't there today if there's a 10pt difference with Bayern at the top... instead you get arguably one of the biggest days in Bundesliga, at least in recent memory, trending in places it normally doesn't trend at all.
Do you want to attract new people to be invested in the league or barely watching individuals they have heard their actual is interested in buying? But I don't know how you fix it, and it's barely Bayern's fault, unless I don't know shit which I may not... it's just what it is, until it isn't I guess.
That wasn't 11 years in a row!Were United fans bored of winning EPL from 92 to 2002?
Obviously an endless penalty shootout
No because there was a genuine threat each year. And occasionally they’d win a league or two to keep you on your toes.Were United fans bored of winning EPL from 92 to 2002?
They haven't been for years, no one but their fans expected them to win today, which is saying a lot about what a reputation as a mentally weak team they have garnered.Probably the most overrated club on the planet.
United never won 11 in a row.Were United fans bored of winning EPL from 92 to 2002?
My thoughts exactly. First Tottenham would score an own goal, but since Dortmund doesn't want to win titles they would score one as well, with that they would head into overtime, not score any more goals and have an endless penalty shoot-out, where of course not a single player will score, until one team has to leave because they have to catch their flight.Obviously an endless penalty shootout
I really felt this lack of energy too. With about 5 mins to go Haller got barely touched and he stayed down for a good 3 mins or so. I was like, does he know the title is on the line and they need goals. He wasn't even hurt much.2-1 down, 3 minutes to go, they get a corner.
Crowd is dead, players take an entire minute to actually decide who should play the corner. 0 urgency.
If that's at Old Trafford, you'll have Bruno running his ass off to take that corner within seconds with the crowd urging the team.
Same for Liverpool or City
Dortmund as a whole seemed to have given up very easily. 0 urgency to actually win the game.
/r/technicallythetruth8 titles in 10-11 seasons doesn't scream competitiveness, no matter how much people try to twist it.
Other than United fans, who else was happy to see a team dominate EPL that much?
Now Guardiola and City are on their way to do something similar now.
The big point averages were in the first years - not in the last years. Especially in 2012/13 and the Guardiola years.Yeah, there were a couple that we walked, that's fair. I don't remember going into a season where the neutrals were as confident that we'd win the league as most are re bayern these days, though.
Of course there is a certain level of here we go again when a team wins too often but you have to look in the detail. It does indeed matter how the titles are won and if there was a title race. United's period of dominance had 2 or 3 years when the title was sewn up early and there was very little competition. In the other years, there was an actual title race and there was a strong rival that was close to winning it with the evidence being that said challenger did actually win it inbetween those years. This means there was a feeling of uncertainty at the start of the season and throughout it which you can't say about Bayern bar this year from what I can remember.My point is : dominating is never boring for the team who do it, it's people who aren't fan of the team dominating the ones who will call it boring.
That's why I mentioned 90s United as an example, no United fan complained back then that the domination was boring, it was other people (Arsenal fans, Newcastle fans, Liverpool fans, City fans, etc)
Now you see Guardiola dominating, and many non-City fans are complaining that the league is getting boring with City dominance (which will be extended more years until Guardiola leaves).
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Yep, many still don't get that dominating is only boring for neutrals and the teams who get dominated....never for the ones who dominate.You guys keep missing @FrankFoot point…The Bayern fans dont care how many they win, they are loving it.
@FrankFoot enjoy it mate and create some memories. One of my biggest regrets is I took the Fergy years for granted and don't ever remember celebrating titles much. I just assumed that was the norm and it would keep on happening.
Haller is a mediocre player, and he isn't cut for a team that wants to challenge for trophies.I really felt this lack of energy too. With about 5 mins to go Haller got barely touched and he stayed down for a good 3 mins or so. I was like, does he know the title is on the line and they need goals. He wasn't even hurt much.