It’s not often you have multiple clubs bid for the same player at the same time. That’s because clubs scope out whether the player will join them beforehand and also what kind of fee the club will be looking for.If Chelsea had set 100m asking price, would you be okay with us paying 80m?
It’s clear that Chelsea value him at around 65-70m, that’s why they quoting him at 80m. The main thing to note is that there is literally no one else bidding for Mount. And anyother club in the PL would walk away if they were quoted 65m.
There's an obvious and undeniable precedent (as you mention) so it's pretty reasonable that people are somewhat pessimistic. The power is in the club's hands to change the narrative.I'm talking about this transfer window. Everybody knows we've been shambles for a while.
He seems a ETH target to me. Agreed though, we don't unearth hidden gems like a Brighton.If Mount had 3/4 years left on his contract I would still think £55m plus add ons was expensive. He doesn’t start for Chelsea anymore, heck even Southgate’s love affair has stopped and guess what England can finally score goals again.
He isn’t worth the money, simple as that. United need to stop this tunnel vision approach to transfers. Yet again I sit here wondering what our scouts are paid for as they never come up with anything. Other than the fact Mount has one year on his contract and there was a perception we could get him for £25-35m I can’t see why United would have bothered. To desperately need a ST and GK and see us potentially wasting over £60m on Mount is a depressing start to the transfer window.
They don’t want him to go and this is why I think the negotiations are longer.Anyone know how Chelsea fans feel about him going?
When you say this will be the final bid then you have bound yourself already.Why exactly?
Exactly walk away nowWhen you say this will be the final bid then you have bound yourself already.
If you come on with a new bid after this then you become laughing stock.
Well yeah. I think Maguire is always a simple example to go by.Suppose Havertz had a five year contract when they signed him and it had two years left to run I'd say they made. A profit on his amortization because in their book he would have been worth only 30m. To me, I am not well versed on the latest rule, but it doesn't make sense to hold a club to a valuation they paid five years ago when the contractual status means that his value has depreciated.
Oh no a laughing stock, how could us as adults cope with that. The last ten years have gone so well, I'd hate for there to finally be a reason for people to mock Manchester United.When you say this will be the final bid then you have bound yourself already.
If you come on with a new bid after this then you become laughing stock.
Tuchel will not decide on Bayern transfers even if he is still there. That's not his job.If he leaves on a free then you're up against all the top clubs for his signature. He's Bayern bound if Tuchel is still there.
That’s the main and only thing. You don’t rate Mount. Which is why what you are saying makes zero factual sense.Other clubs seem to be buying players at reasonable prices. I mean the difference I suppose is that I really don’t rate Mason Mount at all. Would be like us setting £100m price on McTominay. So the starting position was way overinflated from the beginning.
United is quite clearly stupid in the market, the current bid is even already way too much for such a player on a 1-year contract.Chelsea are deluded. He is out of contract in 1 year. United hold all the cards. I think we can be chill on this one and wait.
And if there was any doubt then we would be confirming it even more.Oh no a laughing stock, how could us as adults cope with that. The last ten years have gone so well, I'd hate for there to finally be a reason for people to mock Manchester United.
Would you be happy with an 80 million agreement if they wanted 100 million originally?I think everyone is running away slightly wiht the whole Chelsea winning thing here as well, their original estimation is 70-80 and they've had to climb down a bit too mind, it's not just us having to bump up, we'll most likely meet at 60 and call it a day, which is a bit more than our original offer but it's also less than Chelsea originally wanted. So it's not like Chelsea have stuck to their price and then we've waited all summer and caved and paid that price. This isn't like an Antony.
As was Weghorst. As was Antony.He seems a ETH target to me. Agreed though, we don't unearth hidden gems like a Brighton.
This really isn't the case.All a bit of a joke... City, Liverpool do their business efficiently and quietly. Our transfers, however, occasionally become drawn out dramas. This should not be a two-week negotiation ffs... we pay how much for Sancho and Antony, and we don't want to spend £60m for Mount?
We have little choice, just get this done. And for those who say walk away, just look at our squad. Look at it. What has changed? Pre-season starts in a few weeks.
Club needs to sort itself out, its administration is embarrassing. And it's affecting work to improve the squad. I'm fed up with it. Just sign the player, he wants to play for Manchester United and he's a very good player.
Antony has done okay, we simply just overpaid. Weghorst was a desperation signing because we literally had no money to actually bring a proper striker in.As was Weghorst. As was Antony.
Has anyone else made a comment about other posters suggesting United should exit this transfer negotiation? Might be a first.Has anyone said maybe we should exit this particular transfer situation, I can't think how to put it in a short and snappy way.
I think the word you’re looking for is « shambles ».Has anyone said maybe we should exit this particular transfer situation, I can't think how to put it in a short and snappy way.
You've just made that up though.It’s clear that Chelsea value him at around 65-70m, that’s why they quoting him at 80m. The main thing to note is that there is literally no one else bidding for Mount. And anyother club in the PL would walk away if they were quoted 65m.
Thats a bit unfair Antony was ok for his first season and we clearly had no budget in January so he took Weghorst on loan just to give him an extra body upfrontAs was Weghorst. As was Antony.
Everyone's a financial expert and knows exactly how much each player is worth too. I'd love to be so confident about things I have zero experience of.fecking hell "walk away" and "no one is bidding" is dominating this thread.
The move only makes sense to me if as you say we are also signing a secod midfielder, with probable exits that would be a good thing within the squad. But I wonder how they fit in, as there are still probably three midfield spots and Casemeiro and Fernandes occupy two of them, though much stronger competition fo Fernandes especially isnt a bad thing.Agreed.
It seems like ten Hag wants a central player who can go from the middle third to the final third and have the intelligence to press effectively in tandem with the rest of the team. And that is what Mount provides along with being quick and agile.
Mount isn't a alternative to a deeper lying midfielder.
And I do believe the club will sign a player to occupy a deeper role in midfield as well. And this player will be someone who will be comfortable operating in the defensive third in possession as well as having the game to advance into the middle third and connect with the advanced central and wide attackers.
And hopefully Onana or another capable keeper in possession will provide the free man option in the build up phase which will hopefully make our build up smoother from deeper areas and result in the game being played in the opponent's half with the press and counter press as another weapon to break the opponent down without the ball.
Bit like when we had to abandon FdJ and didn't sign anyone.Thats a bit unfair Antony was ok for his first season and we clearly had no budget in January so he took Weghorst on loan just to give him an extra body upfront
On Mount - we aren’t walking away we have zero backups lined up as usual.
Not another post commenting on people commenting on people saying walk away.Has anyone else made a comment about other posters suggesting United should exit this transfer negotiation? Might be a first.
Kante has never been lightweight diminutive yes but lightweight no .The move only makes sense to me if as you say we are also signing a secod midfielder, with probable exits that would be a good thing within the squad. But I wonder how they fit in, as there are still probably three midfield spots and Casemeiro and Fernandes occupy two of them, though much stronger competition fo Fernandes especially isnt a bad thing.
But personally I prefer a midfield signing that offers a more all round option in all areas of the field and I think Caqueret and Barella both fit that kind of profile. Previous poster labels Caqueret lightweight, bu they are both fighters and I disagree with that, Kante is pretty lightweight for example.
Biggest bugbear is w are going to overpay for a player yet again in our fitst deal of the summer....sets a precedent in further negotiations for us I feel
Bit like when we had to abandon FdJ and didn't sign anyone.
Other than that guy Casemiro.
Yeah he was a total panic buy that we hadn't been working on all Summer. He also flopped horribly... Really embarrassing deal that.Lets not act like it was a well thought out plan…chasing a player who didn’t want to come for months to then move onto a completely different type of midfielder in a panic after those first 2 embarrassing games
So you think we signed Casemiro in 2-3 days after our first two games without doing any prep prior to it?Lets not act like it was a well thought out plan…chasing a player who didn’t want to come for months to then move onto a completely different type of midfielder in a panic after those first 2 embarrassing games
Yeh, it is a bit odd that people get rankled by seeing the same things getting repeated. You're on an internet forum with thousands of people! And you probably frequent said forum (and particular threads) far too often!Has anyone else made a comment about other posters suggesting United should exit this transfer negotiation? Might be a first.
No they cant, catch up with rules mate.Chelsea will sign Caicedo no matter what. I don’t get why people think we’re helping them out. They’re getting 65m for havertz. Kante has left, Koulibaly has left… they’ll have money for him wether they sell Mount or not.
In reality. We need Caicedo more.That's like buying a pair of shoes because you can't afford a jacket.
It seems your manager does not agree.In reality. We need Caicedo more.
Like a Chelsea fan as already said on here they’ll make sales from other players. Not just Mount. It’s not like they’re relying on us and if they were then surely they’d of accepted our first bid of like 45m for him. They’d of made a profit no matter what so why would they risk not selling him if they thought they had to in order to sign Caicedo?No they cant, catch up with rules mate.
