Mason Mount | Confirmed

[Berbaclass]

If we sell even 2 from Fred/McTominay/Donny then we will be extremely light in midfield and our reported options are all going elsewhere or unavailable (Veiga, Rabiot, Caicedo)

I have seen the links to the Portuguese midfielder (Neves) and also the young defensive midfielder from Antwerp, Vermeeren

 

[tjb]

Some fans keep dreaming of this, thing ETH is a possession monster; when really from all indicators, he's more of a presser. More Klopp

Excellent addition to the team (pending ), offers a hell of a lot more than people give him credit for.

Similarly to Rashford, Mount will be love by section of the fans and has likely already been written off by a section of the fan.

People talk so much about English bias, but there are cases like the one for Mount in which the opposite has been true. He's a technically gifted, energetic, ball carrying, pressing midfielder who was player of the season in a champions league winning campaign and with a host of top performances for a top team and a top club in a strong league all at the age of 24. Yet for him, there is no potential of becoming a world beater or getting more refined, yet if he played in the Portuguese league or even italian league with 2 good UCL performances, people here will be raving about it.

Fans would be willing to shell 40m on a player far less proven in the Dutch league, 70m for a French League unknown and come back and complain about how money was wasted. Mount is a proven talent already. He's a really good player and can get even better and more useful. He's coming at the right age, wants to play for us and has the right mentality. The problem is fans seem to have a false perception regarding Ten Haag's football. They seem to think it's possession oriented and needs a deep lying playmaker based on very limited knowledge of watching ETH's most recent Ajax team. Yes there is an emphasis on technically skilled players ( like Mount), but the team was not as possession based as people would like to think, it's not Man City. Ajax had high possession due to their dominance of play in the league, not because they were necessarily a possession-oriented team. They won back possession quickly, but they weren't a team to play patiently. Outside of shape ( which resembles Guardiola's teams), the football and the plan of attack was similar to Liverpool's with a bit more fluidity. Heavy pressing, quick conversion into attacks and attacking down the flanks using combinations and one on ones. Not understanding this is why some had it in their heads that Bruno wouldn't work under ETH or that Rashford would struggle. Not knowing that these players fit in perfectly.

Mount covers the same bases Bernardo Silva covers for City, having more energy and speed and slightly less technique. He has the ball carrying that people want from FDJ and is also a good chance creator. We also still have Bruno, Eriksen, Casemiro and Fred. Eriksen will still play a lot of games despite Mount starting more often. He can also fill in out wide in case of injuries, a problem we had last season when we consistently shifted Bruno. We just signed a player that can cover 4 positions on the pitch effectively. People talk about depth, but signing versatile players with skills that can translate across different positions is how a team has sustainable depth.

 

[TheMagicFoolBus]

Does anyone know how we amortize the +5? I have been wondering about these add-on fees, especially as it looks like a large part of any incoming Henderson fee will be in add-ons.

I asked this recently and it apparently only matters if it gets triggered. Then it gets amortized over the remaining contract at that point.

Yep @roseguy64 is correct here. Clauses that get triggered do not apply retroactively - they get amortised over the remainder of the deal from the point where the payment is due for the buying club. For the selling club, any add-on clauses count as one-off payments for the year when they are triggered.

 

[CloneMC16]

95% of them it was directed to don't question anything sensible, but just spew their own agenda without listening to anyone nor wanting to be reasonable. Just trolling.

I don't understand why it would be considered trolling to question a transfer. This football club is not a ****. We're allowed to disagree with the managers decisions. If we were not, the existence of this forum would be next to pointless.

 

[Giggsy13]

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Should be moving on from Fred anyways.

 

[Mr Pigeon]

Damn I'm not gonna lose the Jason thing now huh. Thanks lads

Aye, you've made a right (.) of yourself there.

 

[WeePat]

Supposedly #8 in the position he prefers and wants to play going forward. He's always had more established players ahead of him at Chelsea in that position.

That’s not true. We’ve basically exclusively played 3atb since 2021. There’s no room for an 8 in that system. All the other midfielders rotated around in the double pivot while Mount was shoved into a front 3 position.

 

[RedIan]

Welcome Mason Mount. Quality player and an upgrade on mcfred and DVB. He can cover all midfield positions. Good signing imo.

 

[arthurka]

Sorry I just don't see anything good about this deal, 55m and high salary for a player we could've signed for free next summer.

 

[Prodigal7]

The logic that signing an AM would impact Fred who is not an AM

Fred is an AM who has been played out of position

 

[Chief123]

Sorry I just don't see anything good about this deal, 55m and high salary for a player we could've signed for free next summer.

If we constantly wait to fill key positions until players become available for free we’ll be constantly fire fighting problem positions.

As well as Eriksen has done at times this season, it would be reckless to expect him to be our first choice in majority of games.

 

[KD6-3.7]

Sorry but this signing reeks, especially his reported wages. We simply never learn.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

The negativity around this is one of the weirdest things I've seen on this forum for a while. He's so undeniably an excellent player, he's a great age, has good experience including in the Premier League, the things he's best at are some of the things we desperately wanted from Eriksen last season and we've taken him off Chelsea. .

I can only imagine people have only seen him when Chelsea play us and a couple of times for England.

 

[Adnan]

The logic that signing an AM would impact Fred who is not an AM

If the aim is to play the game in the opponent's half, which is something ten Hag has spoken about, then Fred isn't good enough as one of the two attacking #8s. And that's the only position he can play in, hence Mount coming in makes him redundant.

 

[Zed 101]

Sorry I just don't see anything good about this deal, 55m and high salary for a player we could've signed for free next summer.

And played a year without improving the squad, covering off Eriksen's inability to play 90 mins and 60+ games.... oh and assuming that Mount, a player targeted by ETH would wait around for us and only us..... makes perfect sense

 

[Maureen-yo]

Some fans keep dreaming of this, thing ETH is a possession monster; when really from all indicators, he's more of a presser. More Klopp


People talk so much about English bias, but there are cases like the one for Mount in which the opposite has been true. He's a technically gifted, energetic, ball carrying, pressing midfielder who was player of the season in a champions league winning campaign and with a host of top performances for a top team and a top club in a strong league all at the age of 24. Yet for him, there is no potential of becoming a world beater or getting more refined, yet if he played in the Portuguese league or even italian league with 2 good UCL performances, people here will be raving about it.

Fans would be willing to shell 40m on a player far less proven in the Dutch league, 70m for a French League unknown and come back and complain about how money was wasted. Mount is a proven talent already. He's a really good player and can get even better and more useful. He's coming at the right age, wants to play for us and has the right mentality. The problem is fans seem to have a false perception regarding Ten Haag's football. They seem to think it's possession oriented and needs a deep lying playmaker based on very limited knowledge of watching ETH's most recent Ajax team. Yes there is an emphasis on technically skilled players ( like Mount), but the team was not as possession based as people would like to think, it's not Man City. Ajax had high possession due to their dominance of play in the league, not because they were necessarily a possession-oriented team. They won back possession quickly, but they weren't a team to play patiently. Outside of shape ( which resembles Guardiola's teams), the football and the plan of attack was similar to Liverpool's with a bit more fluidity. Heavy pressing, quick conversion into attacks and attacking down the flanks using combinations and one on ones. Not understanding this is why some had it in their heads that Bruno wouldn't work under ETH or that Rashford would struggle. Not knowing that these players fit in perfectly.

Mount covers the same bases Bernardo Silva covers for City, having more energy and speed and slightly less technique. He has the ball carrying that people want from FDJ and is also a good chance creator. We also still have Bruno, Eriksen, Casemiro and Fred. Eriksen will still play a lot of games despite Mount starting more often. He can also fill in out wide in case of injuries, a problem we had last season when we consistently shifted Bruno. We just signed a player that can cover 4 positions on the pitch effectively. People talk about depth, but signing versatile players with skills that can translate across different positions is how a team has sustainable depth.

Great post

 

[arthurka]

If we constantly wait to fill key positions until players become available for free we’ll be constantly fire fighting problem positions.

As well as Eriksen has done at times this season, it would be reckless to expect him to be our first choice in majority of games.

I agree but to constantly being in this situation of having to get shit done because you didn't have a plan for years and it's catching up with you is fecking tiresome. Zero planning and no structure gets you desperate and teams know it. We are just a very poorly run football club.

 

[Redplane]

Aye, you've made a right (.) of yourself there.

Good thing I already had a fitting forum title from before my hiatus I guess.

 

[No Love]

It’s fair to say I never saw this coming. What an audacious move to sign international pop sensation, Jason DeRulo.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

I agree but to constantly being in this situation of having to get shit done because you didn't have a plan for years and it's catching up with you is fecking tiresome. Zero planning and no structure gets you desperate and teams know it. We are just a very poorly run football club.

Ten Hag wanted a pressing number 8 who offers creativity and technical ability on the ball. He's signed a player who fits that role to a tee for a discounted price.

He wants a goalkeeper who is good with his feet. Seems we are signing Onana who is one of the best goalkeepers in Europe with his feet and just played brilliantly in the Champions League final.

Everything seems part of a plan no?

He has far too much deadwood but that was done a while ago and no point in crying over spilt milk.

 

[horsechoker]

It’s fair to say I never saw this coming. What an audacious move to sign international pop sensation, Jason DeRulo.

He'll be playing solo

 

[Andycoleno9]

Never noticed that Jason was on corner kicks duty for Chelsea. And he has a decent amount of assists from it.

 

[meninred]

I personally not excited about mount due to the following

1/ We already have two attacking midfielders we dont need a third one.
2/ the price is high as he has only one year left on his contract and didnot perform well esp last season.
3/ We first have to solve our main priorities and worry about the rest later.
4/If we have to buy a midfielder it has to be a central or box to box midfielder who can track..intercept ..who can also help or replace casamiro at times.

 

[alexthelion]

£60 million and £300k?! Have we learned nothing? This club is run by absolute clowns.

Realistically, £55m and £250k.

 

[united_99]

So this Jason, is he any good?

 

[No Love]

He'll be playing solo

 

[Brwned]

Some fans keep dreaming of this, thing ETH is a possession monster; when really from all indicators, he's more of a presser. More Klopp


People talk so much about English bias, but there are cases like the one for Mount in which the opposite has been true. He's a technically gifted, energetic, ball carrying, pressing midfielder who was player of the season in a champions league winning campaign and with a host of top performances for a top team and a top club in a strong league all at the age of 24. Yet for him, there is no potential of becoming a world beater or getting more refined, yet if he played in the Portuguese league or even italian league with 2 good UCL performances, people here will be raving about it.

Fans would be willing to shell 40m on a player far less proven in the Dutch league, 70m for a French League unknown and come back and complain about how money was wasted. Mount is a proven talent already. He's a really good player and can get even better and more useful. He's coming at the right age, wants to play for us and has the right mentality. The problem is fans seem to have a false perception regarding Ten Haag's football. They seem to think it's possession oriented and needs a deep lying playmaker based on very limited knowledge of watching ETH's most recent Ajax team. Yes there is an emphasis on technically skilled players ( like Mount), but the team was not as possession based as people would like to think, it's not Man City. Ajax had high possession due to their dominance of play in the league, not because they were necessarily a possession-oriented team. They won back possession quickly, but they weren't a team to play patiently. Outside of shape ( which resembles Guardiola's teams), the football and the plan of attack was similar to Liverpool's with a bit more fluidity. Heavy pressing, quick conversion into attacks and attacking down the flanks using combinations and one on ones. Not understanding this is why some had it in their heads that Bruno wouldn't work under ETH or that Rashford would struggle. Not knowing that these players fit in perfectly.

Mount covers the same bases Bernardo Silva covers for City, having more energy and speed and slightly less technique. He has the ball carrying that people want from FDJ and is also a good chance creator. We also still have Bruno, Eriksen, Casemiro and Fred. Eriksen will still play a lot of games despite Mount starting more often. He can also fill in out wide in case of injuries, a problem we had last season when we consistently shifted Bruno. We just signed a player that can cover 4 positions on the pitch effectively. People talk about depth, but signing versatile players with skills that can translate across different positions is how a team has sustainable depth.

I agree with most of this but I don’t think you can just dismiss the price paid for a player in the last year of his contract. That’s what sours a lot of perceptions of the transfer, it’s what makes people instantly critical. I would really only expect a special player to go for that much money in the last year of his contract. No idea how much someone like Mbappe will go for but I’d be surprised if it’s twice as much. And he is twice the player. He makes a lot of sense in a lot of ways, but it’s just one more signal that there’s a lot of baggage at this club. We’re such an easy sell.

 

[No Love]

So this Jason, is he any good?

Very good in The Transporter. Quite funny in Mean Machine.

 

[Art]

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very good thread on Mount

 

[united_99]

I remember when we signed Mata there was so much excitement. And then him landing in a heli, DdG waiting for him, pics of “Mata in suits” being posted here and lots of hugs! Didn’t turn out well.
So here is hoping everything with Mount will be the exact opposite.

 

[Offside]

I remember when we signed Mata there was so much excitement. And then him landing in a heli, DdG waiting for him, pics of “Mata in suits” being posted here and lots of hugs! Didn’t turn out well.

One of the very few transfers we’ve made in the last 10 years that wasn’t a disaster.

 

[IRELANDUNITED]

Wages the main focus of the media?
That’s fine
We aren’t arrogant, just better.

 

[Andycoleno9]

I remember when we signed Mata there was so much excitement. And then him landing in a heli, DdG waiting for him, pics of “Mata in suits” being posted here and lots of hugs! Didn’t turn out well.
So here is hoping everything with Mount will be the exact opposite.

Exact opposite? Mata wasn't a flop. He didn't became our key player but he was ok signing. He did scored 50 (i think) goals for us. He had some good spells in our shirt.

 

[Devil_forever]

If we're selling Fred, I really hope we're going to be giving Mejbri a proper go next season. I would much rather we sold DVB before we sold Fred, who's proven to be a really good squad player.

 

[RuudTom83]

The left side is already the biggest threat at United.

Shaw, Mount, Rashford and Garnacho...is very healthy talent and age wise.

 

[saivet]

What are the chances that Bruno will eventually be dropped as I reckon we will bring in a deep midfielder to help with the build up phase.

I think it's possible, but not until next summer at the earliest. It does provide us with a way to transition to playing without Bruno in the short term, when injured, suspended or rested (even if those things never happen).

 

[tomaldinho1]

Good singing. Maybe finally Bruno will get a day off.

 

[E-mal]

If you want to come onto a website and rejoice in the misfortune of the team you're supposed to support, then I'm inclined to think that your life is both of those things.

Whatever mate, anything to make you feel relevant.

 

[kaku06]

I remember when we signed Mata there was so much excitement. And then him landing in a heli, DdG waiting for him, pics of “Mata in suits” being posted here and lots of hugs! Didn’t turn out well.
So here is hoping everything with Mount will be the exact opposite.

So dropping on a scooter, nobody waiting for him, coming in clown clothes and given lots of slaps. Got it.

 

[SAF is the GOAT]

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