You should really count one of the two fees right? We would have still gotten a RW or CF regardless most likely.
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I've said I'd rather buy Toney for January and then sign Zaha on a free and get through to Jan with Zaha, Garnacho, Rashford, Martial, Antony and Amad (and whatever happens with Sancho).
I really don't see a guarantee that Hoijlund hits the ground running to the extent that we'd be any better off for those 3 months. We'd then have pretty much a sure thing in Toney who I think is brilliant and a near perfect fit for Ten Hag. Plus a brilliant winger in Zaha who can actually beat a man regularly.
Not happening though so ho hum.
Ideally we'd want both. But I'd always take attitude, work rate and mentality over a lazy but technically superior player. Park over Pogba, Valencia over Sanchez/Sancho etc.
Signing mentally weak and lazy players has fecked us over for years
Surely we'd be wanting some money in return. If they've decided they only care about him as a player rather than as a person then him as a player must be worth nearly double Hoijlund.
We haven‘t changed into a possession style team though haven‘t we? We press hard, try to force turn-overs and try to progress the ball quickly.
Based on last season Hojlund is a good match/addition.
I'm sure it'll be a loan
That’s only if we can use him as a player. We likely can’t - hence big discount…
Credit where credits due, if we get Mount, Hojlund and Onana for £95m, Murtough has played a blinder.
Shame and waste of talent with MG, but best outcome for me as prevents a media circus.
Shame and waste of talent with MG, but best outcome for me as prevents a media circus.
I reckon that all comes down to negotiation. Atalanta have no guarantee that we won't just say screw it we will just start Greenwood instead, thanks anyway.
Knowing how we negotiate though we would probably start the talks by saying "Look we are desperate to get rid of this lad and he has no value to us. How much do you want us to pay you alongside him for Hoijlund? Please please pretty please."
If that's a permanent move for Greenwood we have been fleeced, he has shown far more than Hojlund in a harder league but if it's a loan then that's quite a smart move actually.
He was worth double, now he's a commercial liability and hasn't played football at a high level for a year. He's a huge risk for a buying club, but a risk that might be worth a straight swap.
We've been trying to but it's still inconsistent. But imo it's quite clear we have moved away from that sit back quick counter approach. We've finally managed to progress the ball from the back, keep possession and push the weaker teams to their box for most part. The high pressing, quick counter you mentioned is actually a part of this style. City and Liverpool all do that as well and in fact we used that mostly against the top ones. This season we'll be more consistent I think.
No I get it I think I just am tired of coming out on the wrong end of deals. I never want to see Greenwood play for us again but begrudgingly admit that he is an absolutely stunning footballer. I'd much rather we pay the money for Hoijlund now and send Greenwood on loan. Let him remind the world of his value and more time to pass in people's minds then get something like his actual value.
Swapping him straight up with a 30m player just feels like we are leaving so much value on the table.
Agree, so in that style where quick vertical progression is important as well as hold up play, Hojlund is a good fit. He can run in behind with his speed, and hold up the ball.
Imo he's not ready for the PL yet but we'll see I think.
I don‘t think he is ready to be guaranteed starter, but he‘ll do fine as a squad player.
Based of what the guy says on his tweet, looks like a sale:
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but I have no idea who the hell this is
We should have gone for him the season they got promoted. It was obvious to me he’d do well in the PL
He's just an Atalanta fan with a thousand followers. Is imagine he's been told that by his mate in their Atalanta group chat.
No chance he said no to Juventus
I suspect we sent him out to Atalanta as a sweetner for the Hojlund deal.
Not really. Toney isn't ultimately good enough for more than a squad player role and racks up the penalty goals generally to stat pad a bit, and is 27. Hojlund is just 20 years old, and his potential level is just much higher. It's an unknown, for immediately next season yeah Toney is "safer" (if he wasn't banned), but we really need a player who has a high potential level, rather than spending loads on someone who won't ever reach the level we need.
With Toney I‘m questioning whether he has the mentality to be at the top. You can‘t be doing dumb shit like that. Do not want.
I'm expecting its a loan, but its very smart business to help us in pursuit of this lad.
Interesting development if the Greenwood rumours are true.
I don’t buy it personally but what would it be worth in terms of knocking off the Hojlund fee? €5m if it’s a loan?
Interesting, thanks for sharing
Toney is brilliant, scoring goals at Brentford isn't easy and his all around game is an excellent fit for Ten Hag.
Think we will get Hojlund. It definitely sounds like a sweetener to Hojlund deal.
You're welcome
UnitedReport is a troll account and the Atalanta account has 1k followers so both probably run by same troll
Ah fair enough.
Mixed feelings on the Greenwood rumour.
On the one hand, still very frustrating that we couldn't do as other clubs and just be 'allowed' to carry on picking a top talent. On the other, if it did help us land Hojlund then at least it would be 'swapping' one talented young attacker for another so would feel a little less of a loss of such a generational talent like Mason.
That's if the rumours are true, of course.
On the one hand, still very frustrating that we couldn't do as other clubs and just be 'allowed' to carry on picking a top talent. On the other, if it did help us land Hojlund then at least it would be 'swapping' one talented young attacker for another so would feel a little less of a loss of such a generational talent like Mason.
That's if the rumours are true, of course.
We're certainly allowed to though, it's just an ethical choice the club is making.
Very true but out of action until January
Would wait for stronger sources to speak
Getting something out of Greenwood would be great. Don't want to see him in United shirt ever again.
Can't see Atalanta buying him without testing if he'll be accepted by fans and media. It'll probably be a loan with an option to buy.
Best case scenario really is a greenwood swap. He’s basically useless to us at this point.
Our fans or?
What difference does it make for Bergamo? He's a foreigner and likely not so much of a scrutiny will be applied to his old deeds.
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