UAP - Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon

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I mean I guess, but then why are they so easy to spot? If we're going to extrapolate them evolving beyond colonization, isn't it likely they would also have developed some kind of "no influence" policy, something almost Star-trekky? Ultimately it's impossible for us to know what alien psychology would be like, it's pure guesswork. It's fun, though.
Lots of fun, until E.T. rocks up and goes Europa Universalis 4 all over our asses :nervous:
 

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Been following this story for months

Crazy to say aliens/UFO’s being talked about in congress.
 

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If beings out there were within travelling distance, abiding with our current understand of physics, we would have already detected them through radio signals. The fact that we haven't suggests they aren't. Suggesting that they are but have advanced beyond our level of physics is unsubstantiated conjecture and falls foul of what we have observed to date in the 70 or so years listening to the skies. Even if we can't detect a more advance species now we would still be able to pick up the signals they were making historically, due to the distances involved.
 

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If beings out there were within travelling distance, abiding with our current understand of physics, we would have already detected them through radio signals. The fact that we haven't suggests they aren't. Suggesting that they are but have advanced beyond our level of physics is unsubstantiated conjecture and falls foul of what we have observed to date in the 70 or so years listening to the skies. Even if we can't detect a more advance species now we would still be able to pick up the signals they were making historically, due to the distances involved.
My point right there. Our understanding.

we may or may not know observe them, we will never know the half of it. There are videos which would suggest that we have been visited though
 

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My point right there. Our understanding.

we may or may not know observe them, we will never know the half of it. There are videos which would suggest that we have been visited though
Right but you're just getting into conjecture and pseudo-science. It's not empirical and none of these videos are verified or captured in a controlled way that would enable us to ascertain what's actually in them.
 

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Right but you're just getting into conjecture and pseudo-science. It's not empirical and none of these videos are verified or captured in a controlled way that would enable us to ascertain what's actually in them.
True. However is it not arrogant of us to assume that there’s nobody out there with higher intelligence than mankind?
 

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It's just not aliens. It's a daft idea. Oh they're so advanced they can travel vast distances through space but they can't contain themselves and keep doing drive-bys and getting spotted but only in America
 

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True. However is it not arrogant of us to assume that there’s nobody out there with higher intelligence than mankind?
I guess it's arrogant to assume that, yeah. I don't think humanity assumes that they don't exist, we just don't have the evidence to say they do.
 

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Why is everything in the US so dumb?
This country is such a contradiction. When I move about more intelligent levels I feel like it would make many of my European circle blush. There are many very bright individuals. When it comes to dumb fecks though there is a little comparison. It is a lot worse here.
 

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Aren't we lucky that the aliens and all UFO related sightings happened to happen in 'Murica.
Clearly this is because aliens prefer wide open spaces with low populations, near military facilities so conduct their visits to earth.

The US is the bast place for that,along with Australia but they're to busy looking down for the many things trying to kill them at all times so have less time to look up at the sky.

Other countries with such vast open spaces however tend not to look kindly on people claiming they saw this or that flying about, whether they did or are just making it up. In America there's a good chance you'll become a minor celebrity from it and earn bank from doing podcasts. In say Russia, you'll probably disappear.
 

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I guess it's arrogant to assume that, yeah. I don't think humanity assumes that they don't exist, we just don't have the evidence to say they do.
We do find bacteria inside meteorites,
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Hills_84001

Many of the worm-like objects in ALH84001 are just a few tens of nanometers across, or about a tenth the size of the smallest-known bacteria on Earth. But the minimum amount of molecular “equipment” needed to keep a bacterium alive (including the DNA and ribosomes to translate the genetic code into proteins) would require a volume equal to a 200-nanometer sphere. In other words, these so-called Martian fossils are just too small to have ever been alive.

If that sh*t can be found on a planet outside the goldilocks zone, then it's not a far stretch...
 

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Clearly this is because aliens prefer wide open spaces with low populations, near military facilities so conduct their visits to earth.

The US is the bast place for that,along with Australia but they're to busy looking down for the many things trying to kill them at all times so have less time to look up at the sky.

Other countries with such vast open spaces however tend not to look kindly on people claiming they saw this or that flying about, whether they did or are just making it up. In America there's a good chance you'll become a minor celebrity from it and earn bank from doing podcasts. In say Russia, you'll probably disappear.
We are also much more welcoming to illegal aliens here because we need them to work on the farms and in the trades and at the same time pretend like we hate them.
 

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My point right there. Our understanding.

we may or may not know observe them, we will never know the half of it. There are videos which would suggest that we have been visited though
There's never been a single UFO video which hasn't had multiple reasonable explanations. "It's a weather balloon" is a meme at this point, but a lot of them are. Or insects flying close to the camera. Or planes in the distance (this was the case for one of the ones a while back where the government apparently "couldn't explain it". Once released it took people all of a day or two to conclusively prove that it was just a plane in the distance). Or they're just plain faked to begin with (most aren't, and they're usually very easy to prove fake for visual effects people).
 

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Aren't we lucky that the aliens and all UFO related sightings happened to happen in 'Murica.
This is a hearing of the US Congress focused on testimony given by Americans working in the US government/military who can testify about their personal experiences in the US military or testify to US government reports they've either seen or heard about that dealt with incidents that happened largely in the United States. It's also ties in with US Congressional powers, ie, oversight of budgets. This isn't a discussion of all alien related phenomenon

Why are people surprised this hearing is American centric?
 
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Dinosaurs were killed by volcanism
It's still debatable whether mass extinction events were caused by volcanic activity or by asteroids. There are many opposing theories.

I stand by my Noah's dinosaur spaceship ark theory. Most of them escaped and are living it up somewhere else in space. They're going to come back one day and it won't just be to pull people out of bed for a prostate exam in the middle of the night.
 

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We are also much more welcoming to illegal aliens here because we need them to work on the farms and in the trades and at the same time pretend like we hate them.
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There's never been a single UFO video which hasn't had multiple reasonable explanations. "It's a weather balloon" is a meme at this point, but a lot of them are. Or insects flying close to the camera. Or planes in the distance (this was the case for one of the ones a while back where the government apparently "couldn't explain it". Once released it took people all of a day or two to conclusively prove that it was just a plane in the distance). Or they're just plain faked to begin with (most aren't, and they're usually very easy to prove fake for visual effects people).
But they’re not all like that are they
 

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We do find bacteria inside meteorites,
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Hills_84001

Many of the worm-like objects in ALH84001 are just a few tens of nanometers across, or about a tenth the size of the smallest-known bacteria on Earth. But the minimum amount of molecular “equipment” needed to keep a bacterium alive (including the DNA and ribosomes to translate the genetic code into proteins) would require a volume equal to a 200-nanometer sphere. In other words, these so-called Martian fossils are just too small to have ever been alive.

If that sh*t can be found on a planet outside the goldilocks zone, then it's not a far stretch...
We don't, and we haven't. The wiki article you've cited even says the current scientific conclusion is there is a geological explanation for the structures found in ALH84001.

Life on Mars is an unanswered question since the Viking landers, and remains so. Maybe the helicopter that picks up drilling by Perseverance might give better evidence, but for now leading thoughts is it's dead.
 

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One of the biggest misconceptions of the UFO phenomenon is the presumption that these objects are NOT from our world ie the are from ALIEN origin from somewrhere out there in the Universe. I find that very UNLIKELY because of the VAST distances in space. The chance two advanced civilisations in a relative close stage of developement to find each other in the Universe is almost zero. So what are the UFO's then? Well we are definitely NOT the first advanced civilisation on this planet, may be even not the second.. so there is a possibillity these flying objects to be leftovers from a previous one wich was way more advanced than us because it is a fact that with our cuurent technology they are still a mistery for us...
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It's still debatable whether mass extinction events were caused by volcanic activity or by asteroids. There are many opposing theories.

I stand by my Noah's dinosaur spaceship ark theory. Most of them escaped and are living it up somewhere else in space. They're going to come back one day and it won't just be to pull people out of bed for a prostate exam in the middle of the night.
That's going to be mighty difficult considering they are all living at the centre of the earth.
 

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Personally, having heard this theory a few times, I think it’s quite arrogant of humans to think that other beings out there aren’t smarter than us and therefore unable to make craft to travel those distances
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It's still debatable whether mass extinction events were caused by volcanic activity or by asteroids. There are many opposing theories.

I stand by my Noah's dinosaur spaceship ark theory. Most of them escaped and are living it up somewhere else in space. They're going to come back one day and it won't just be to pull people out of bed for a prostate exam in the middle of the night.
I'm currently doing my dissertation on it. I don't think we will ever have a definitive answer unless we can get the uncertainties in direct dating down to thousands of years instead of tens of thousands, or hundreds of thousands. From the literature I have read the dinosaurs were certainly in decline prior to the boundary, and a lot of the cause of that is the environmental turmoil caused by volcanism. Volcanism is unarguably linked to four other of the big five mass extinctions, so it seems somewhat obtuse to rule them out as the cause for the Cretaceous-Palaeogene mass extinction in favour of a theory that has no precedence for causing a mass extinction in Earth's history. Personally I think the Deccan Traps put the environment in a place of high stress that species could not recover from the impact; I would also say had the impact not happened, volcanism would be regarded as the sole cause of the mass extinction.

All that being said, I'm all in on the space ship
 

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Personally, having heard this theory a few times, I think it’s quite arrogant of humans to think that other beings out there aren’t smarter than us and therefore unable to make craft to travel those distances
I think the difficult bit is that when you combine the massive massive distances with converging timelines contact becomes more and more difficult. Not only do other civilisations have to have travelled absolutely mind boggling distances but they have to have arrived here during a very narrow window of time to be here when we are at this level of civilisation. Its entirely possible but incredibly unlikely. On a galactic timescale modern human technology is the tiniest of slivers. Our radio waves have only travelled so far since we started sending them out and they have attenuated a massive amount as they stretch further out.
I am sure there are beings out there far far smarter than us but the sheer volume of planets, stars and galaxies mixed with timescales and distances is still daunting.