Walters_19_MuFc
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Looks to be a very good player. Not only his finishing impressive, his back to goal play is amazing from what I've seen. Could prove to be an excellent buy by Chelsea.
A Danny Welbeck with goals is one of the best strikers in the world.Just another Danny Welbeck.
Isn't he a winger? Either way, two very good goals.This Brighton striker scored a couple of goals yesterday, the one I've seen was a really good CF's goal. Seems to be just us that makes an issue out of finding a striker.
It's definitely a bad period for strikers, the worst in my lifetime. It's the main reason big clubs are gambling on players who have been playing at 1st team level for less than 12 months. I mean someone like Jackson looks good and all but he only started scoring goals at that level in the last 2 months of last season.In your first post, you never mentioned "young striker talent" - just striker talent, which is what i was referring to. There is a lack of quality CF options on the market. And further to your point, we are actually heavily linked with one - Hojlund (among others: Ramos, Kolo Muani, Kane, Osimhen). Hojlund could turn out to be a great deal for us, or he could turn out not to be....no one knows. So what is it that you're complaining about?
Well it seems United also have found one and are going big for him , whether we agree with that Choice is a different matter all together .This Brighton striker scored a couple of goals yesterday, the one I've seen was a really good CF's goal. Seems to be just us that makes an issue out of finding a striker.
He could be, the article I read called him a striker.Isn't he a winger? Either way, two very good goals.
Joao Pedro played up top, with Simon Adingra on the left wing.He could be, the article I read called him a striker.
You honestly think it's OK for a Chelsea manager to not finish in a CL spot? Happy with 8th place? Excuse me but wtf are you on about. You don't spend the most money in the world on players and are fine with no CL football 2 years in a row. The owner, who's all about image and branding, will not stand for it.I wouldn’t say so, personally. We’re coming off the back of a 12th place finish, and other clubs have strengthened, whilst we’ve sold off half of our squad. I expect it’ll take some time for Poch to get his ideas across, and integrate the new signings. I’m not going to place too much stock in the pre-season performances, we’ve not exactly played quality opposition thus far.
I’d be happy with top 6-8 to be honest, provided we see a massive improvement in our attacking play. We averaged a goal per game last season. We looked absolutely rotten going forward.
re. Jackson, it’s very early days but he’s looked positive so far. I think we look much more comfortable with him at 9 and Nkunku behind. Not sure Nkunku will work up top on his own in the PL, but playing behind & linking up with Jackson looks like it could result in a very productive partnership. I don’t think we’ve had a striker with Jackson’s hold-up play since Giroud.
True. Prime Welbeck was always a good talented player but he's always been a shit goalscorer. Even to this day his best goalscoring seasons were at United where he scored 9 PL goals twice but in the last 9 years he's never scored more than 6 league goals in a season.A Danny Welbeck with goals is one of the best strikers in the world.
I'll start by saying I personally don't think 8th is anywhere close to being 'good enough' for us, but I still very much disagree with you on the highlighted bit.You honestly think it's OK for a Chelsea manager to not finish in a CL spot? Happy with 8th place? Excuse me but wtf are you on about. You don't spend the most money in the world on players and are fine with no CL football 2 years in a row. The owner, who's all about image and branding, will not stand for it.
Just to be clear. Liverpool have not strengthened. We haven't really strengthened. Brighton has weakened if anything. City too. Spurs are losing Kane. What exactly are you worried about from other teams? There are 5 CL spots. Chelsea not getting one would be a disaster and Poch would be fired. No doubt about it.
I didn't mention "young striker talent" in the second post either, but young footballers in general, meaning that now the scouting is on a different level and players can be unnearthed much earlier compared to 25 years ago, scouts have more data and should be more precise in evaluation, follow their development and so on. And there's plenty of quality CF options on the market at this moment also young and old.In your first post, you never mentioned "young striker talent" - just striker talent, which is what i was referring to. There is a lack of quality CF options on the market. And further to your point, we are actually heavily linked with one - Hojlund (among others: Ramos, Kolo Muani, Kane, Osimhen). Hojlund could turn out to be a great deal for us, or he could turn out not to be....no one knows. So what is it that you're complaining about?
Again, who are these quality CFs, both young and old?I didn't mention "young striker talent" in the second post either, but young footballers in general, meaning that now the scouting is on a different level and players can be unnearthed much earlier compared to 25 years ago, scouts have more data and should be more precise in evaluation, follow their development and so on. And there's plenty of quality CF options on the market at this moment also young and old.
You mentioned Kane, but tell me how often in the history of the PL has a striker talent like Kane been available for a transfer? Not often. Now a talent like him is set to move clubs and we are supposedly out of the race.
I am not complaining, just pointing out the absurdity of some claims. 1 year ago there was lack of CDM options out there and so on.
He goes by Nico, so he is good.Nicholas Jackson is just too boring a name for a top striker, so I’ll have to conclude he’s wank.
Haaland, Mbappe, Kane, Hojlund, Mouani, Ferguson, Gouri, David, Martinez, Vlahovic, Osimhen, Benzema, Lewandowski, Schick, Haller, Ramos spring immediately to mind. Are they not quality strikers?Again, who are these quality CFs, both young and old?
A little bit of good, a little bit of old and a little bit of average.Haaland, Mbappe, Kane, Hojlund, Mouani, Ferguson, Gouri, David, Martinez, Vlahovic, Osimhen, Benzema, Lewandowski, Schick, Haller, Ramos spring immediately to mind. Are they not quality strikers?
Haaland isn't available and wouldn't come anyway.Haaland, Mbappe, Kane, Hojlund, Mouani, Ferguson, Gouri, David, Martinez, Vlahovic, Osimhen, Benzema, Lewandowski, Schick, Haller, Ramos spring immediately to mind. Are they not quality strikers?
I still can't believe it.. I'm dreaming, that ball would still be in the sky somewhere if that was HavertzJackson . Already a legend. Scoring 1 vs 1 as chelsea striker that's enough for me.
So there are striker talents out there, but we are either too late, too poor and can’t afford them or too arrogant that we describe Vlahovic as crap but we played with Weghorst for half a season?!?Haaland isn't available and wouldn't come anyway.
Mbappe is going to Saudi or Real Madrid.
Kane is too expensive for us.
Gouiri is very interesting, but also inconsistent which is probably why he plays for France U21. Jonathan David is also a good shout, but operates from the left similarly to Rashford. Martinez isn't good enough.
Vlahovic is crap.
Osimhen is too expensive.
Benzema signed for a Saudi club.
Lewandowski isn't on the market.
Schick isn't good enough.
Haller isn't good enough.
Muani is about as much of a striker as Rashford.
So that leaves very few strikers on the market, especially that are realistic to us.
Ramos will be very pricy and cost a lot more than Højlund, but got good potential.
See my post above, you are probably right, but we have no one and loaned Weghorst from Burnley. An average Haller is miles better than what we have. Not to mention players like Watkins and Toney who are also capable strikers.A little bit of good, a little bit of old and a little bit of average.
Let's be real, Benzema wasn't coming here with Saudi knocking on the door for a final paycheck.So there are striker talents out there, but we are either too late, too poor and can’t afford them or too arrogant that we describe Vlahovic as crap but we played with Weghorst for half a season?!?
True. However, we clearly feel that Højlund is the best fit considering price, current ability, potential and availability.See my post above, you are probably right, but we have no one and loaned Weghorst from Burnley. An average Haller is Mills’s better than what we have. Not to mention players like Watkins and Toney who are also capable strikers.
That's a lot of text for a highlighted bit that you didn't disagree much with. You only disagreed with me about Liverpool. I didn't mention Arsenal or Newcastle because I think they've strengthened. So you think City, United, Newcastle and Arsenal are competition. That's 4 teams. It would absolutely be shambles if Chelsea don't make it to the CL after spending 700m+ on a squad that was already in the CL. That you still need a midfielder after all this is not an excuse.I'll start by saying I personally don't think 8th is anywhere close to being 'good enough' for us, but I still very much disagree with you on the highlighted bit.
I am not disputing Hojlund in the slightest. From the obvious pool of strikers only Kane I'd prefer, but if not Hojlund there's other solid options that might surprise us, just like Jackson is doing at Chelsea.True. However, we clearly feel that Højlund is the best fit considering price, current ability, potential and availability.
We've got FFP problems because we spent recklessly last summer and it's no excuse when dealing in such a crucial position this summer. Both Kane and Osimhen are top quality striker and just what we need, but we are ill prepared.Let's be real, Benzema wasn't coming here with Saudi knocking on the door for a final paycheck.
And yes, in case you haven't noticed, we got to be careful with FFP in mind, so even if I wanted Osimhen here, we're just not going to spend €150m on him. Same for Kane.
As for Vlahovic: we played with Weghorst, who is crap, but signing Vlahovic really wouldn't make a massive difference. He is just not that good.
It's not exactly a secret that the level of strikers these days is not the same it was 10 years ago. Suarez, van Persie, Lewandowski, Benzema, Agüero, Ibrahimovic, Cavani, Falcao, Rooney, Mandzukic, Tevez, Dzeko + more.
Some of these still play, but at a much lower level than back then.
Gotten rid of like 15 players from that CL squad. Signed 15 players. Received almost 300M in outgoing fees. The only players remaining from the team that won the CL 2 years ago is Chilwell, Kepa, Silva and James. It’s a brand new squad with a brand new coach.It would absolutely be shambles if Chelsea don't make it to the CL after spending 700m+ on a squad that was already in the CL. That you still need a midfielder after all this is not an excuse.
Surely you're trolling? What exactly makes Vlahovic quality? He is not even better than Mitrovic.I disagree about Vlahovic, he is quality. Milles better fit than someone like Mandzukic that you mention as a quality option 10 years ago.
Did you even see Mandzukic play? Lukaku is Ronaldo Nazario compared to elbow merchant Mandzukic. And I said better fit, you clearly read only what you want to. Vlahovic is 23 at the same age Mario was still playing in Croatia so laughs are on you here buddy.Surely you're trolling? What exactly makes Vlahovic quality? He is not even better than Mitrovic.
You're having a laugh for suggesting Vlahovic is miles better than Mandzukic
So hypothetically, if you had prime Hazard and sold him for 100m, lost Reece James on a free, then bought Antony for 100m and a youngster for 20-30m - you would argue it would be a shambles if the team never improved becaused 130m was spent... That's not how football works.That's a lot of text for a highlighted bit that you didn't disagree much with. You only disagreed with me about Liverpool. I didn't mention Arsenal or Newcastle because I think they've strengthened. So you think City, United, Newcastle and Arsenal are competition. That's 4 teams. It would absolutely be shambles if Chelsea don't make it to the CL after spending 700m+ on a squad that was already in the CL. That you still need a midfielder after all this is not an excuse.
It doesn't matter that it takes time to add consistency. This is Chelsea. You spend money, you feck off the manager at the hint of bad form. Not being in the CL is a failure. That's your culture.
Talk about underrating Mandzukic. I'm not saying he was world class, but the way you go on about him.. talking as if he's Peter Crouch.Did you even see Mandzukic play? Lukaku is Ronaldo Nazario compared to elbow merchant Mandzukic. And I said better fit, you clearly read only what you want to. Vlahovic is 23 at the same age Mario was still playing in Croatia so laughs are on you here buddy.
I did not say he was Crouch, but you were the one claiming Vlahovic wasn't any better than Weghorst. Mandzukic was a workhorse, and no he isn't the perfect striker for ETH.Talk about underrating Mandzukic. I'm not saying he was world class, but the way you go on about him.. talking as if he's Peter Crouch.
The fact that you say better fit makes it even worse. Mandzukic would be the perfect striker for Ten Hag with his hold-up, strength and pressing, whereas Vlahovic would be far from it. Do you not think we would be in for Vlahovic if he was such a good fit?
He has even scored less open-play goals than Højlund despite playing more than him, and he is also 3 years older.
As for your last part, that is completely irrelevant. Fernandinho was playing in Ukraine at 27, while Sean Longstaff played in Premier League at the age of 20. Do you think Longstaff is better than Fernandinho?
Modric played in Croatia at 21, and Conor Gallagher in Premier League at 19. Is Gallagher better than Modric?
So you agree that Arsenal and Newcastle, both of whom were already miles ahead of us, have improved their squads and probably also agree with me that City are and will be way ahead of us no matter what Pochettino does this season? So that's three teams who are by definition stronger than us which then leaves us battling with United/Liverpool/Tottenham for the last CL place and you think it's some massive catastrophe and an automatic sack for the manager if we can't pull it off?That's a lot of text for a highlighted bit that you didn't disagree much with. You only disagreed with me about Liverpool. I didn't mention Arsenal or Newcastle because I think they've strengthened. So you think City, United, Newcastle and Arsenal are competition. That's 4 teams. It would absolutely be shambles if Chelsea don't make it to the CL after spending 700m+ on a squad that was already in the CL. That you still need a midfielder after all this is not an excuse.
It doesn't matter that it takes time to add consistency. This is Chelsea. You spend money, you feck off the manager at the hint of bad form. Not being in the CL is a failure. That's your culture.
Crap.What is the Chelsea starting lineup gonna be next season?
Apparently, he failed his medical after Bournemouth agreed to a £22m transfer.Wasn’t he pretty poor up until around January, and Villarreal were trying to punt him to Bournemouth? His game looks quite suited to the PL though.