Donny Van De Beek | he stays!

[Abraxas]

Not sure we can be too fussy with VDB if there's one club in for him. He's totally redundant here. He's had injuries, zero form. Pretty much any buyer has us by the balls. Totally different situation from Maguire and McTominay etc where they have some merits.

Or we keep him and he does very little except collect a wage.

 

[RedRonaldo]

Given his injury records and lack of game time/form over past 2 seasons, I wouldn’t ask for anything more than 15m.

 

[scottser]

It has loan written all over it, which is fine. Hope it works out for him.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

One of the oddest transfers we've ever made.

 

[croadyman]

One of the oddest transfers we've ever made.

Yeah still gutted we missed out on Grealish in that summer due to Villa staying up

 

[al tuna]

25m? If they get anywhere near 10m I'd be thrilled let alone 25m

 

[Andersonson]

25M? Surely thats in disney dollars.

Great if true this

 

[city-puma]

Yeah still gutted we missed out on Grealish in that summer due to Villa staying up

I heard the board rejected Ole’s proposal to sign Grealish. That’s the main reason, no?

 

[jeepers]

Cheeky cash + VdB bid for Zubimendi?

 

[TheNewEra]

Cheeky cash + VdB bid for Zubimendi?

Rather cash, if United can genuinely move on Fred, VDB and Maguire itll be a phenomenal window. I think we need one of our current CMs and new one, maybe Mainoo can get minutes.

 

[Plastic Evra]

25m£ seems fantastical. Across the board I feel the reported prices United expect for outgoing players are higher than what I'd ballpark value a potential transfer... But then again it's the club's job to get the best money and enter negotiations on a strong footing. Supposedly they just lowered the price for Fred so it's not being inflexible and dogmatic for the sake of it. Eventually I think a couple of the surplus players will be sold for less later in the window.

Can't see more than a loan for DVB. He needs to play and show himself to even start being considered a potential buy for any club.

 

[jeepers]

Rather cash, if United can genuinely move on Fred, VDB and Maguire itll be a phenomenal window. I think we need one of our current CMs and new one, maybe Mainoo can get minutes.

If we are serious about getting in Sofyan Amrabat, then I would rather go for Zubimendi IF Sociedad would entertain a cash + player deal. And those players whom you mentioned should leave anyway, I would include McT if EtH is truly looking to bring in another midfielder. Ideally I would keep both Mainoo and Megbri as the backup CMs and blood them this season but I guess EtH doesn’t want to take any risks.

 

[bringbackbebe]

Anyone know the figures required to break-even for FFP?

@Messier1994 had a great thread on this but numbers are a few months old:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/a-l...-financial-fair-play-rules-on-man-utd.474688/

I'd imagine:

1. Champions League Effect: (+) 30m (net from CL minus wage increase)
2. Interest Cost Saved: (+) 40m for interest cost saved (assuming we get taken over)

Wages Saved:
We (hopefully) won't have:
Ronaldo (250k - half year effect), Maguire (200k), Martial (300k), De Gea (375k), Fred (120k), DVB (120k), Williams (60k) ~= 1.41m/week (Henderson, Bailly and Telles were on loan last year, so not counting them)
Subtract:
Mount (200k), Onana (100k), Hojland (150k), Amrabat (100k) = (-) 550k

3. Net wages saved: 800k/week ~= (+) 40m/year

4. Incremental Amortization Cost: Mount (-) 12m, Onana (-) 10m, Hojland (-) 14m, Amrabat (-) 5m = (-) 41m

5. Profit on Sale: Henderson (+) 20m, Williams (+) 3m, Elanga (+) 15m, Fred (+) 10m, Kovar (+) 6m, DVB (-10m) = (+) 44m (assuming we recoup 20m for Maguire and nothing for Martial)

Net increase over last year = 30 + 40 + 40 - 41 +44 = 113m

This doesn't take into account the impact of the new Adidas deal which could be +20m/year.

Think we're fine here as long as we get rid of some of the deadwood (particularly Maguire, Williams, DVB and Martial) and should be in a better position if we sell McTominay for 30m+ - as long as we don't spunk that money on someone like Lukaku.

 

[mikeyt]

If this happens it's surely a loan with an option. If he goes for anything close to £20million we've done well.

 

[Fortitude]

£25m = you can haggle us down to £15m or so and make it look like a shrewd deal for all involved.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

We shouldn't keep him obviously but it sprung to mind when I saw this thread that I think he's played the best he's ever played for us over the last few games.

 

[Sarni]

I don't think Sociedad are going to pay even £15m. They don't have history of expensive transfers, it will probably be a loan with a £8m or so buy option.

 

[Crick]

Anyone know the figures required to break-even for FFP?

35m plus 5m add ons transfer fee, 5 year contract. If no add ons were paid, with no renewal equals £7 per year. 2 years left, gives a book value of £14m for ffp.

Sociedad have no money, so 1 year loan with no fee, paying his full wages and an obligation to buy for £7m (his ffp value in a years time) or €8.5m if he plays around 30 games is probably the deal being offered/discussed.

 

[Lee565]

It's strange that Chelsea can sell havertz for good money based on his age and past performances in Bundesliga but we seem to be struggling with donny despite being at a good age and showing good past form for ajax

 

[Crick]

It's strange that Chelsea can sell havertz for good money based on his age and past performances in Bundesliga but we seem to be struggling with donny despite being at a good age and showing good past form for ajax

Chelsea were very lucky that Arsenal wanted him to get the price they did but to be fair he is fit and playing regularly Donny isn't coming off a major injury. Donny's hardly played for 2 years and when he has he's been poor. A better comparison to Havertz would be if we were to sell Sancho. We would be asking for a price much closer to Havertz price.

 

[Superunknown]

I feel really sorry for him. There have always been question marks about who exactly wanted him. Then, when he came, he never really got a run of games and was treated to a few sub appearances here and there. Got very unlucky with his injury/injuries, too. It's a signing that summarises that specific period of time at United - an utter mess with no real plan or logic involved. I'm glad that we're trying to be much more thoughtful with our signings now.

He has to move on. He hasn't got a future at United and took much has happened since he has arrived. It'll be good for him to rebuild his career elsewhere and it'll be good for us to be able to replace him in the squad with someone else. I hope that this gets done quickly.

 

[Onerealunited]

Most realistic scenario is that they’d like to loan him and include an option to buy. Given his limited amount of football last two years it is fair with a loan but should be without any option and with some kind of obligations to play him. It could be something like they would have to pay a a larger loan fee if he is not playing an x amount of games during the season

 

[golden_blunder]

Given that he’s coming off the back of a bad injury I’d be very surprised if it’s more than a loan

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

I feel really sorry for him. There have always been question marks about who exactly wanted him. Then, when he came, he never really got a run of games and was treated to a few sub appearances here and there. Got very unlucky with his injury/injuries, too. It's a signing that summarises that specific period of time at United - an utter mess with no real plan or logic involved. I'm glad that we're trying to be much more thoughtful with our signings now.

He has to move on. He hasn't got a future at United and took much has happened since he has arrived. It'll be good for him to rebuild his career elsewhere and it'll be good for us to be able to replace him in the squad with someone else. I hope that this gets done quickly.

It felt like Ole/Fletcher doing a solid to Edwin when Ajax needed the cash. He's had relatively less game time but he also hasn't shown anything to deserve more.

 

[redcucumber]

Up there as one of our worst transfers ever. At least with the likes of Sanchez it made sense why we signed him. I've not seen anything from Donny to suggest he's a United player.

 

[Terranova]

It felt like Ole/Fletcher doing a solid to Edwin when Ajax needed the cash. He's had relatively less game time but he also hasn't shown anything to deserve more.

Ajax absolutely didn't need the cash

 

[Abraxas]

It's strange that Chelsea can sell havertz for good money based on his age and past performances in Bundesliga but we seem to be struggling with donny despite being at a good age and showing good past form for ajax

It's not strange at all. Havertz has at various times looked a decent player.

VDB barely looks a footballer at PL level.

 

[tomaldinho1]

I heard the board rejected Ole’s proposal to sign Grealish. That’s the main reason, no?

I don't think we were ever genuinely in the race despite the links - Rashford and Bruno occupy his positions and our focus was on other areas.
We did supposedly try for Bellingham but supposedly Ole wouldn't guarantee him game time and the club supposedly refused to entertain Haaland's demands of an exit clause + his dad's insane fee.

We'll never know the whole truth I guess, there's also a likely an element that United have been seen as a bit of a player graveyard from LVG/Mou/Ole (hopefully ETH changes that image) so maybe those guys were also not that interested to begin with.

 

[DonnyCostsAlotOfMoney]

It felt like Ole/Fletcher doing a solid to Edwin when Ajax needed the cash. He's had relatively less game time but he also hasn't shown anything to deserve more.

Must be some good friends then if they donated another 100 for Antony

Ajax was loaded at the time

 

[The Corinthian]

I feel sorry for the lad.

 

[Devil You Know]

It felt like Ole/Fletcher doing a solid to Edwin when Ajax needed the cash. He's had relatively less game time but he also hasn't shown anything to deserve more.

VdB was a Woodward signing. Ole never wanted him and never played him.

Solskjaer wasn't given control of the purse strings. And, quite obviously, neither was Fletcher given that he didn't become technical director until 2021 when Donny was signed in 2020.

 

[croadyman]

I don't think we were ever genuinely in the race despite the links - Rashford and Bruno occupy his positions and our focus was on other areas.
We did supposedly try for Bellingham but supposedly Ole wouldn't guarantee him game time and the club supposedly refused to entertain Haaland's demands of an exit clause + his dad's insane fee.

We'll never know the whole truth I guess, there's also a likely an element that United have been seen as a bit of a player graveyard from LVG/Mou/Ole (hopefully ETH changes that image) so maybe those guys were also not that interested to begin with.

Yeah I can understand us not being attractive for up and coming talent at the time

 

[Nicoseth]

I feel sorry for the lad.

Why?

 

[tomaldinho1]

VdB was a Woodward signing. Ole never wanted him and never played him.

Solskjaer wasn't given control of the purse strings. And, quite obviously, neither was Fletcher given that he didn't become technical director until 2021 when Donny was signed in 2020.

Ole was involved in convincing him to come. I get there are agendas on here but you can literally find the interview with VdB + Ole also spoke about it in an interview with MUTV. No manager at United ever had a player forced onto them, literally name one? They've all just been dross in their own ways.

Moyes had no pull as a manager so we hired random players, LVG was given way too much power to choose and his info was all outdated/based on international football, Mou just lost the plot and lied (there is still a section on the caf that says he was never given a CB despite him getting Bailly and then personally pushing Lindelof given he arrogantly thought his scouting network in Liga NOS was so good.), Ole didn't have a clue and Ragnick got no transfers.

It really highlights how badly the club has been run when ETH is the first (no exaggeration) manager since SAF who was currently coaching a team in the CL when we hired him. Let that sink in. Moyes was at Everton, LVG was domestically retired, Mou was unemployed after imploding Chelsea and getting sacked with them in 16th position, Ole was managing Molde, Ragnick isn't even a manager...sometimes I wonder how it would have been possible to have a worse track record in managers but then I remember we were linked with Southgate and I can sleep at night.

 

[Devil You Know]

Ole was involved in convincing him to come. I get there are agendas on here but you can literally find the interview with VdB + Ole also spoke about it in an interview with MUTV. No manager at United ever had a player forced onto them, literally name one? They've all just been dross in their own ways.

Moyes had no pull as a manager so we hired random players, LVG was given way too much power to choose and his info was all outdated/based on international football, Mou just lost the plot and lied (there is still a section on the caf that says he was never given a CB despite him getting Bailly and then personally pushing Lindelof given he arrogantly thought his scouting network in Liga NOS was so good.), Ole didn't have a clue and Rangnick got no transfers.

It really highlights how badly the club has been run when ETH is the first (no exaggeration) manager since SAF who was currently coaching a team in the CL when we hired him. Let that sink in. Moyes was at Everton, LVG was domestically retired, Mou was unemployed after imploding Chelsea and getting sacked with them in 16th position, Ole was managing Molde, Rangnick isn't even a manager...sometimes I wonder how it would have been possible to have a worse track record in managers but then I remember we were linked with Southgate and I can sleep at night.

Van de Beek on Ole.

 

[Cantonagotmehere]

I feel really sorry for him. There have always been question marks about who exactly wanted him. Then, when he came, he never really got a run of games and was treated to a few sub appearances here and there. Got very unlucky with his injury/injuries, too. It's a signing that summarises that specific period of time at United - an utter mess with no real plan or logic involved. I'm glad that we're trying to be much more thoughtful with our signings now.

He has to move on. He hasn't got a future at United and took much has happened since he has arrived. It'll be good for him to rebuild his career elsewhere and it'll be good for us to be able to replace him in the squad with someone else. I hope that this gets done quickly.

Well said mate. Always liked Danny, I'll root for him unless he heads to a rival.

 

[MadDogg]

Van de Beek on Ole.

Seriously? It appeared VDB wasn't Ole's first choice (which seemed to be Grealish) but there's a huge difference between that and actively not wanting him. Managers don't get their first choice all the time.

Ole had talked about having the final say on transfers, Woodward had said that the manager (along with the recruitment department) would always have a veto over any signings, Ole said that he'd liked and followed VDB since he scored against his Molde team, VDB said he'd had a long talk with Ole before he signed here. It's obvious that Ole was happily on board with the transfer.

VDB joining us and then being very poor is why he didn't get that much game time.

 

[theklr]

Was pretty clear the club/Ole wanted Grealish but he was deemed too expensive when they stayed up

 

[The Corinthian]

Why?

Wasted 3 years of his career and has had poor luck with injuries, and the shambles that is our club pre-EtH.

 

[Nicoseth]

Wasted 3 years of his career and has had poor luck with injuries, and the shambles that is our club pre-EtH.

I'm sure he could have left if he had really pushed for it. Even now I'm sure has a lot of offers - none of which will probably match his wages, which is why he's still here.