mitchmouse
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Come on Erik, just one bid big to test the water... Levy's been ordered to sell and there's no way Bayern will pay £100m
I’m not sure it would be though. I think the idea of a club reaching an acceptable fee then chucking an extra £50m is a bit ludicrous to be honest.If Bayern agree a fee, the fee to United will be that plus £50m+. Levy would rather cut his own nose off than sell to United or any other PL team.
We offered more for Modric and Bale and he sold them both to Madrid anyway. The only way Kane ends up at United is if he leaves Bayern for us in a couple of years.
He is maybe just a gentleman, or a bit weak, in that he has agreed for Spurs to negiotiate with a top club abroad first, I am sure the figures involved will be alot lower than if United had gone in properly for him anyway.Spurs still have hope about Kane signing another contract. Look at the news articles. Compare this to Mount making it categorically clear he wouldn’t sign one and forcing Chelsea’s hand.
Kane is being particular about not forcing his way out and isn’t putting Spurs under maximum pressure.
If Kane made it clear he wouldn’t sign a new contract and did not want to travel abroad, Spurs would be negotiating with a domestic club.
Why would he be unwilling to go to Chelsea? He'd be in London playing for a manager he's worked with before and it's not as if Chelsea are not capable of winning trophies.He is maybe just a gentleman, or a bit weak, in that he has agreed for Spurs to negiotiate with a top club abroad first, I am sure the figures involved will be alot lower than if United had gone in properly for him anyway.
There is also the arguement that no Premiership club will go for him at the figures quoted, knowing they can just wait 12 months and get him for free. City don't need him, we can't afford him, Arsenal can't afford/don't need him, he is very unlikely to go to Chelsea, so it could just be that Bayern are the only ones who will actually pay top money for him now, the rest will just wait until next year.
I sense a reluctance for him wanting to go to Bayern, and the talk of him signing a new deal if Spurs have a great season, is not only very unlikely to happen given it's Spurs, but probably just lip service for the fans anyway.
He’s kill his standing amongst Spurs fans. Isn’t there a weird rivalry between the two?Why would he be unwilling to go to Chelsea? He'd be in London playing for a manager he's worked with before and it's not as if Chelsea are not capable of winning trophies.
I personally think he’s very comfortable at Spurs, not desperate to leave and will only leave for a premium that leaves him and Spurs happy.He is maybe just a gentleman, or a bit weak, in that he has agreed for Spurs to negiotiate with a top club abroad first, I am sure the figures involved will be alot lower than if United had gone in properly for him anyway.
There is also the arguement that no Premiership club will go for him at the figures quoted, knowing they can just wait 12 months and get him for free. City don't need him, we can't afford him, Arsenal can't afford/don't need him, he is very unlikely to go to Chelsea, so it could just be that Bayern are the only ones who will actually pay top money for him now, the rest will just wait until next year.
I sense a reluctance for him wanting to go to Bayern, and the talk of him signing a new deal if Spurs have a great season, is not only very unlikely to happen given it's Spurs, but probably just lip service for the fans anyway.
Alright, you're operating under the assumption that Spurs are happy to sell to absolutely anyone as long as they get the money, let me put this another way:I’m not sure it would be though. I think the idea of a club reaching an acceptable fee then chucking an extra £50m is a bit ludicrous to be honest.
If Kane sees an acceptable fee is reached and then Spurs start playing hardball on other interested clubs I don’t see how that results in anything other than Kane leaving on a free.
The key difference with Modric and Bale is the players both wanted to go to Madrid and who could blame them? Madrid are probably the one club I think that 99/100 players would choose over us if given the chance. I do believe Kane would see United as a more attractive prospect than Bayern.
Agree with this. He will go though if they agree the fee. Hopefully they don’t and he leaves for free next year.Honestly I think if City were in for him (and they didn't have Haaland) then he'd kick up a fuss and insist he wouldn't sign a new contract and demand a move. H'e break the PL record and be essentially guaranteed silverware which would be the perfect outcome for him. Unfortunately I don't think he sees us as a safe bet to pick up some silverware with, even if we are at the moment an upgrade on Spurs. Thats why he's not been pushing for a move to United.
I think he wants to stay in England but not risk upsetting Spurs and their fans, especially if a domestic move doesn't guarantee him trophies (and let's be honest, it doesn't with us). I'd wager he's pretty lukewarm on the Bayern idea at best.
Yeah, I'm not in favour of huge entourages, but at the least Kane should have something like a co-agent or senior advisor, either with relevant legal experience or direct (football-adjacent) negotiation experience, on all his contract and sponsorship stuff. I imagine he's got a legal firm on call (like United players would have Brabners, at least last i checked) when necessary to deal with personal image rights as well as private/business purchases, but that's slightly different...I don’t think it helps having his brother as his agent and I don’t think his brother has any other clients, so you’ve got an under-experienced agent against Levy who is a shrewd, experienced and somewhat scheming businessman.
Didn't that already happen in 2021? He didn't kick a fuss and stayed. His transfers sagas all end up with him staying at Spurs. It's becoming tiresome.Honestly I think if City were in for him (and they didn't have Haaland) then he'd kick up a fuss and insist he wouldn't sign a new contract and demand a move.
He has certainly left a lot of money on the table through his career. Given his ability and consistency he could have done a Zlatan and played for numerous heavy hitters and won a lot of trophies.I don’t think it helps having his brother as his agent and I don’t think his brother has any other clients, so you’ve got an under-experienced agent against Levy who is a shrewd, experienced and somewhat scheming businessman.
Yeah same.Much though Kane would improve us, I'm particularly glad we make a quick call this wasn't going to happen and moved on. It would not be fun to be going into the season with a pursuit for him dragging on.
I understand your position on this.Alright, you're operating under the assumption that Spurs are happy to sell to absolutely anyone as long as they get the money, let me put this another way:
Spurs, who rightly or wrongly consider themselves a direct rival to United, do not under any circumstance want to sell their best ever player to Manchester United or any other rival for that matter. Politically, what message does that send to the entire Spurs fanbase?
Not only does that make Levy's position absolutely untenable, it also puts Tottenham much further down the pecking order in 'big club' terms while elevating United past the point Tottenham can even dream of catching them. Why would anyone at Tottenham, with Tottenham's best interests at heart, want that for the club?
So what's the price on that then? £100m? £200m? £300m? The reality is, selling Kane to United costs them more than the transfer value of the player, plus they will never be able to replace Kane with a calibur of playing Kane is. It's not worth it to even consider selling Kane to United or anyone in the PL. It's very naive to think we can just nip in with a cheeky bid when they accept Bayern's offer and think we can just hijack the deal. They'd rather he retired.
Why would we need to solve Spurs’ problems? It’s madness to pay 100m for a striker nearing his 40s, and who also reportedly wants over 500k per week salary.I don’t think we will try and do that and I’ve said a few times now that I don’t see an approach from us for Kane and doubt we even would but if push came to shove and we offered £100m for him I don’t see any sane owner or chairman ignoring that bid.
I didn’t say we were going to?Why would we need to solve Spurs’ problems? It’s madness to pay 100m for a striker nearing his 40s, and who also reportedly wants over 500k per week salary.
So if they don’t want to sell for sensible money, it’s their player to lose (on a free) next year
Nearing his 40s?Why would we need to solve Spurs’ problems? It’s madness to pay 100m for a striker nearing his 40s, and who also reportedly wants over 500k per week salary.
So if they don’t want to sell for sensible money, it’s their player to lose (on a free) next year
Bloody hell, he was 30 last Friday and now he's nearing his 40'sWhy would we need to solve Spurs’ problems? It’s madness to pay 100m for a striker nearing his 40s, and who also reportedly wants over 500k per week salary.
So if they don’t want to sell for sensible money, it’s their player to lose (on a free) next year
Can’t believe we’re going to offer Spurs £100 billion and everyone’s first born for a pensioner!?Bloody hell, he was 30 last Friday and now he's nearing his 40's
This. Now that Hojlund is secured and seeing that Levy is also playing hardball with Bayern, insisting to drag this on all summer and wanted 120M+, I am actually so glad we closed the case. "Old" Utd would have been dragged along with it all summer and missed out on other targets. Also, Hojlund is like on a third of Kanes wages, which is a good feeling.Much though Kane would improve us, I'm particularly glad we make a quick call this wasn't going to happen and moved on. It would not be fun to be going into the season with a pursuit for him dragging on.
It was just a slight exaggeration, to convey the messageBloody hell, he was 30 last Friday and now he's nearing his 40's
Back then he still had 3 years on his contract, so Levy held all the cards.Didn't that already happen in 2021? He didn't kick a fuss and stayed. His transfers sagas all end up with him staying at Spurs. It's becoming tiresome.
Just ask yourself one question and you'll get the answer to this whole thing.I understand your position on this.
Id argue though that whether selling to Bayern or the PL the message is similar. Kane is leaving to win. He doesn’t think he can do that at Spurs. Whether they sell him or he leaves on a free it’s the same message. If anything the fact he feels a guaranteed trophy at Bayern is better than the PL with Spurs is just as damaging as him leaving for another PL club.
Any scenario where Kane leaves makes Spurs look smaller than the club he leaves for. The fanbase aren’t deluded they know they’ve gotten the peak years out of Kane and a CL final out of it too. Just look at Spurs window so far what have they done to gain on rivals? The main signing Maddison isn’t going to propel them to the next level.
Reportedly the owners have told Levy to sell if he won’t sign a contract which again is sensible business. Spurs aren’t in the CL so his elite ability isn’t going to pay for itself this season. And the prospect of losing him on a free means even if they did secure CL football the cost of not selling him is ~£100m whereas even if they win every game in the CL up to the final it’s only worth £85.1m. So even in the most optimistic circumstances Kane isn’t getting you value for money for one season guaranteed at Spurs.
I don’t think we will try and do that and I’ve said a few times now that I don’t see an approach from us for Kane and doubt we even would but if push came to shove and we offered £100m for him I don’t see any sane owner or chairman ignoring that bid.
No matter how people try to slice it spurs are not a top club so the comparison is moot, for all intents and purposes Newcastle are their most direct rivals in securing top 4 not us while in the comparison you provided Chelsea where direct rivals for the title and repeatedly reached the latter stages of the cl.Just ask yourself one question and you'll get the answer to this whole thing.
When we lost Ronaldo the first time round, would you have been happy if he went to Chelsea for an extra couple of quid instead of Madrid?
Forget the details, just focus on us losing our best ever player in the modern era to a direct rival and ask yourself how that sits. Then ask yourself why you think Tottenham would allow Kane to join us for the same amount, not extra, Bayern are willing to pay.
What does that mean? They should happily sell their best players to the likes of United and be grateful for their place in the league?No matter how people try to slice it spurs are not a top club so the comparison is moot, for all intents and purposes Newcastle are their most direct rivals in securing top 4 not us while in the comparison you provided Chelsea where direct rivals for the title and repeatedly reached the latter stages of the cl.
Levy might delude himself about being on the same level of the big boys sitting at big table but it's just that, a delusion.
In Levy's mind they are, and delusional or not, it's all that matters when he's the one you need to convince to sell.No matter how people try to slice it spurs are not a top club so the comparison is moot, for all intents and purposes Newcastle are their most direct rivals in securing top 4 not us while in the comparison you provided Chelsea where direct rivals for the title and repeatedly reached the latter stages of the cl.
Levy might delude himself about being on the same level of the big boys sitting at big table but it's just that, a delusion.
They keep regressing and I argue they'd be better off cashing in on Kane and spending it on more urgent areas of their team, keeping kane around while never building a proper team around him is a waste of everyone's time.What does that mean? They should happily sell their best players to the likes of United and be grateful for their place in the league?
I think they've finished in the top 4 more than us in the last 10 years so what does that make us?
As I said previously, what we think is totally irrelevant, Spurs, with their CL final appearance, new stadium, big name managers (previously), and the likes of Harry Kane, think they are a nailed on top 4 big team in the PL.
It's a very tough pill to swallow if your chairman turns around tomorrow and cedes all ambition by selling your best players to a rival club.
His hand will only grow weaker as we approach the deadline, especially if bayern are willing to move away.In Levy's mind they are, and delusional or not, it's all that matters when he's the one you need to convince to sell.
For what it’s worth I do appreciate your efforts to explain your position.Just ask yourself one question and you'll get the answer to this whole thing.
When we lost Ronaldo the first time round, would you have been happy if he went to Chelsea for an extra couple of quid instead of Madrid?
Forget the details, just focus on us losing our best ever player in the modern era to a direct rival and ask yourself how that sits. Then ask yourself why you think Tottenham would allow Kane to join us for the same amount, not extra, Bayern are willing to pay.
Not if that player has no intention of continuing at your club and you’d lose them for nothing in a year.What does that mean? They should happily sell their best players to the likes of United and be grateful for their place in the league?
I think they've finished in the top 4 more than us in the last 10 years so what does that make us?
As I said previously, what we think is totally irrelevant, Spurs, with their CL final appearance, new stadium, big name managers (previously), and the likes of Harry Kane, think they are a nailed on top 4 big team in the PL.
It's a very tough pill to swallow if your chairman turns around tomorrow and cedes all ambition by selling your best players to a rival club.
Chelsea and City became 'big' clubs, as opposed to entertaining nearly-men/ virtual laughing stocks post 70s respectively, through being financially doped to the gills, or real-life FM cheatcoding. Spurs - funny as the whole 'Spursy' thing is tripping over themselves even at the threshold of success and falling backwards - just need a disgustingly rich Middle East owner who's able to work around FFP for a couple of years, and they'll suddenly be a 'legitimate' club who players seem mysteriously keen to sign for all of a sudden , particularly given the stadium and London location in their favour.They keep regressing and I argue they'd be better off cashing in on Kane and spending it on more urgent areas of their team, keeping kane around while never building a proper team around him is a waste of everyone's time.
Also it's telling that in our most abhorrent period since Fergie came in we've still managed a few trophies and more top two finishes than spurs in their most *successful modern period , Chelsea are a top club, City are, Liverpool are and so are arsenal , spurs never met the criteria to be considered as such.
Again look at how They've regressed since poch left, they don't seem to be able to attract the big names anymore and I argue they'd be better off taking the money and investing in a long term project than whatever levy is doing now.
Definitely, they need a rebuild and to start again like they did when they hired Poch, the problem is that it’s extremely hard for spurs fans to admit that and that new stadium (best stadium in all the world…) doesn’t scream mid table, Levy will have sanctioned that spend on the back of big champions league nights.They keep regressing and I argue they'd be better off cashing in on Kane and spending it on more urgent areas of their team, keeping kane around while never building a proper team around him is a waste of everyone's time.
Also it's telling that in our most abhorrent period since Fergie came in we've still managed a few trophies and more top two finishes than spurs in their most *successful modern period , Chelsea are a top club, City are, Liverpool are and so are arsenal , spurs never met the criteria to be considered as such.
Again look at how They've regressed since poch left, they don't seem to be able to attract the big names anymore and I argue they'd be better off taking the money and investing in a long term project than whatever levy is doing now.
His hand will only grow weaker as we approach the deadline, especially if bayern are willing to move away.
His negotiating position will be reduced to zero if by jan they're in a particularly messy situation in the league.
Not sure you can legit call Arsenal a bigger club than Spurs based on the 15 years or so.They keep regressing and I argue they'd be better off cashing in on Kane and spending it on more urgent areas of their team, keeping kane around while never building a proper team around him is a waste of everyone's time.
Also it's telling that in our most abhorrent period since Fergie came in we've still managed a few trophies and more top two finishes than spurs in their most *successful modern period , Chelsea are a top club, City are, Liverpool are and so are arsenal , spurs never met the criteria to be considered as such.
Again look at how They've regressed since poch left, they don't seem to be able to attract the big names anymore and I argue they'd be better off taking the money and investing in a long term project than whatever levy is doing now.
His hand will only grow weaker as we approach the deadline, especially if bayern are willing to move away.
His negotiating position will be reduced to zero if by jan they're in a particularly messy situation in the league.
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