Ayoba
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Bit of a hot head this fella. I look forward to the inevitable fall out with Levy once he doesnt get his way.
Scarlett looks like a good prospect but he is at least one more loan away from being part of our first team squad I thinkDane Scarlett looked half-decent from the few Spurs European games I saw - could he do a Kane and quickly go 3 levels up with the right manager coming up and mentoring, or at least become a decent back-up option...?
It's due to the fact that Ange is basically the first decent manager Australia has ever had. Even him being at Celtic was easily the highest profile managerial job any Aussie has ever had, and now he's stepping up to a fairly big PL team he's breaking new ground.It's an interesting and different way of looking at it culturally as to us here in Denmark. I'm all for giving credit, but here in Denmark we have Thomas Frank who's on the same projection as Ange probably, and it's not like we see it as some proud achievement here in Denmark along with other merits of danish football. I think we're more like "good on him" but it's not like we cheer for him or are connected that much to him. And I don't say this to take anything away from your post, I just found it culturally interesting that this achievement is "big" and that this is something that is closely followed in Australia.
he’ll be out by christmas. it’s the busiest timeBit of a hot head this fella. I look forward to the inevitable fall out with Levy once he doesnt get his way.
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Yeah it’s hard not to like this guy.
In Australia we're completely isolated from the rest of the footballing world though. It isn't really comparable to somewhere like Denmark, despite being a smaller nation.It's an interesting and different way of looking at it culturally as to us here in Denmark. I'm all for giving credit, but here in Denmark we have Thomas Frank who's on the same projection as Ange probably, and it's not like we see it as some proud achievement here in Denmark along with other merits of danish football. I think we're more like "good on him" but it's not like we cheer for him or are connected that much to him. And I don't say this to take anything away from your post, I just found it culturally interesting that this achievement is "big" and that this is something that is closely followed in Australia.
Thanks for all the different perspectives on it. I couldnt agree more - the part of being an isolated place so many kilometres away really makes all the difference even in a globalized era.In Australia we're completely isolated from the rest of the footballing world though. It isn't really comparable to somewhere like Denmark, despite being a smaller nation.
I remember having a conversation with a friend back in 2012 about how Ange was clearly talented enough to be coaching in Europe but we agreed that it was a shame it would never happen because the pathway just isn't there. Well a little over a decade later he's finally done it but he's had to go to a World Cup and then bide his time in Asia to build a reputation before he could be considered for something like this. Whereas a coach (or a player) from somewhere like Denmark has a far easier path to get noticed and advance their career in Europe.
There were heaps of derisive comments about Ange's nationality from fans when he was appointed at Celtic and then again at Tottenham. An up and coming coach from a European nation like Denmark would never experience that sort of condescension.
Then you have to consider how the game is absolutely dwarfed in popularity over here by Australian Rules Football, Rugby League, and Cricket. Media coverage of the game is minimal to the point that some networks have actively tried to prevent the game from growing. Most Aussies tend to look down on the game too because they see it as "soft" and a "foreign" game, so the Australian football community are up against it here. When someone makes it through all of that and is actually successful on the world stage then we do see it as something to celebrate because it is such a rare achievement.
Excellent post. I went to a couple of Brisbane Roar games when he was in charge and loved it. It'd be great if the rest of the world rates Ange as highly as Aussies do.In Australia we're completely isolated from the rest of the footballing world though. It isn't really comparable to somewhere like Denmark, despite being a smaller nation.
I remember having a conversation with a friend back in 2012 about how Ange was clearly talented enough to be coaching in Europe but we agreed that it was a shame it would never happen because the pathway just isn't there. Well a little over a decade later he's finally done it but he's had to go to a World Cup and then bide his time in Asia to build a reputation before he could be considered for something like this. Whereas a coach (or a player) from somewhere like Denmark has a far easier path to get noticed and advance their career in Europe.
There were heaps of derisive comments about Ange's nationality from fans when he was appointed at Celtic and then again at Tottenham. An up and coming coach from a European nation like Denmark would never experience that sort of condescension.
Then you have to consider how the game is absolutely dwarfed in popularity over here by Australian Rules Football, Rugby League, and Cricket. Media coverage of the game is minimal to the point that some networks have actively tried to prevent the game from growing. Most Aussies tend to look down on the game too because they see it as "soft" and a "foreign" game, so the Australian football community are up against it here. When someone makes it through all of that and is actually successful on the world stage then we do see it as something to celebrate because it is such a rare achievement.
Ange himself said in made him virtually unemployable in Australia for a good 2 years or so. In October 2009, then Brisbane Roar coach Frank Farina was caught drink driving, got sacked and within a week Ange was named as Brisbane Roar's new coach and he's been very successful since then. One man getting caught drink driving changed the world for another.
I don't think that interview helped Ange within the Australian football community - many within the media sided with Forster.
And this is probably the reason he ended up having to coach Whittlesea Zebras in Victoria's state league shortly afterwards. To go from that to managing Tottenham in the premier league is an insane rise.Ange himself said in made him virtually unemployable in Australia for a good 2 years or so. In October 2009, then Brisbane Roar coach Frank Farina was caught drink driving, got sacked and within a week Ange was named as Brisbane Roar's new coach and he's been very successful since then. One man getting caught drink driving changed the world for another.
You do better against big teams when you take the game to them. Teams who try and keep it tight usually get battered and learn nothing. Look at Brighton.The one thing he did at Celtic was he never changed the way they played. They played Real at home, you'd think he'd try and reign it in a bit, but he went toe to toe with them and for 50 mins or so, they were the better side, but at that level you have to take your chances and the cream always rises. The difference was up there, they'd get beat in europe and then get back to winning ways in Scotland in next games. In the PL it"s a tough game week in and week out. I really like his attitude, but going toe to toe with City one week, you may have Liverpool the next, or Arsenal or Utd. Couple of heavy losses in a row and we know typically what happens. I'm intrigued to how he handles the step up, can he do a Brighton or will he out the door quickly?
Well said.In Australia we're completely isolated from the rest of the footballing world though. It isn't really comparable to somewhere like Denmark, despite being a smaller nation.
I remember having a conversation with a friend back in 2012 about how Ange was clearly talented enough to be coaching in Europe but we agreed that it was a shame it would never happen because the pathway just isn't there. Well a little over a decade later he's finally done it but he's had to go to a World Cup and then bide his time in Asia to build a reputation before he could be considered for something like this. Whereas a coach (or a player) from somewhere like Denmark has a far easier path to get noticed and advance their career in Europe.
There were heaps of derisive comments about Ange's nationality from fans when he was appointed at Celtic and then again at Tottenham. An up and coming coach from a European nation like Denmark would never experience that sort of condescension.
Then you have to consider how the game is absolutely dwarfed in popularity over here by Australian Rules Football, Rugby League, and Cricket. Media coverage of the game is minimal to the point that some networks have actively tried to prevent the game from growing. Most Aussies tend to look down on the game too because they see it as "soft" and a "foreign" game, so the Australian football community are up against it here. When someone makes it through all of that and is actually successful on the world stage then we do see it as something to celebrate because it is such a rare achievement.
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Yeah it’s hard not to like this guy.
No.Is it possible to be an Arsenal fan with a sneaky side of Spurs thrown in?
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I’m quite excited, we’re in for 2 CBs and yes we do need upgrades there. I like Ange’s mentality and his ethos. He has only been with us for 3 weeks.Early days, but I'm liking the early signs of Ange Postecoglou.
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I think I'm going to thoroughly enjoy watching Spurs. Fluid, technical, interchanging, and highly offensive.
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I love the high risk intensity here, 8 Spurs players around the opponent's box and this wasn't from a set piece either.
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One touch, incisive passing
Defensively they're suspect
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and it wouldn't surprise me if they're shopping for a new keeper by January 2024. The manner they conceded against West Ham, I imagine would be a real concern for Spurs fan. Although, this entire post is just my initial thoughts. Being suspect in preseason doesn't necessarily that will translate to the actual season, as they may have ironed out some things by then. Ange - " "Not the sort of stuff [defending set pieces] we worked on." He's been more concerned with trying to get across his style of play in this early stages.
Nothing is done really. It’s just players playing without pressure and against teams looking for fitness.Id love to know what a manager does tactically in 3 weeks that allows for more fluid attacking football?
I think Spurs have players that were always capable of good football, there's players there that are no mugs.
Is it just more a feel good thing at this early stage, playing with shackles off and encouraging players to go forward and telling players to play quick, 1 touch passing rather than pondering on the ball too much or passing back or side to side too much?
Who wouldn't want that !!!he’ll be out by christmas. it’s the busiest time
in the footballing calendar and he’ll just want to be off bbqing on a beach, downing a box of goon and fingering his cousin.
But but everyone tells me that you need a whole new squad and a couple of seasons to implement a new style of play…Only preseason I know but they look almost unrecognisable from the Jose, Nuno and Conte teams. Spurs fans must be buzzing with what they’ve seen so far.
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It's even more impressive that this was essentially their reserves. 10 changes from the last friendly, which is more than likely their starting 11 v Brentford.Only preseason I know but they look almost unrecognisable from the Jose, Nuno and Conte teams. Spurs fans must be buzzing with what they’ve seen so far.
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It's a 30 second passage of play in a friendly.But but everyone tells me that you need a whole new squad and a couple of seasons to implement a new style of play…
Alternatively, it just needs two preseason games to look like you’ve reinvented total football, in friendly matches. Which we saw when Van Gaal took over. That ended well.But but everyone tells me that you need a whole new squad and a couple of seasons to implement a new style of play…
Aye, you’d think United fans of all would understand this by now.Alternatively, it just needs two preseason games to look like you’ve reinvented total football, in friendly matches. Which we saw when Van Gaal took over. That ended well.