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Can you post a link to this?Meanwhile the referee has come out and said himself it was clearly a penalty.
Can you post a link to this?Meanwhile the referee has come out and said himself it was clearly a penalty.
First of all, the score has nothing to do with it.If we were one nil down and Jose Sa jumped like this on famous Weghorst, we would all have cried for a penalty.
The ball was already played but the jump was dangerous and not controlled.
Penalty every day.
37 days to go and we can hope for the title (joke)
Even betterMeanwhile the referee has come out and said himself it was clearly a penalty.
That was Jon Moss, and if he says it's a penalty you know its probably not.Meanwhile the referee has come out and said himself it was clearly a penalty.
If this was the case we have to sell him immediately tbh. He's a keeper ffs. If he doesn't want to use his arms in that kind of situation we must all seriously question his brain and sell him asap. What a crazy take.had he retracted his arms,
Yes, you did mention Antony as an after thought, but still concentrated on our keeper and accused him of punching a player, which he did not. Onana tried to go for the ball and clattered in to their player. Same thing happened to Antony, and nobody batted an eye. If one was a pen , so was the other. If one was dangerous, so was the other.I did mention that the Antony one was similar in principle as Sa clearly interfers with Antony's play and clips him afterwards, and I think that goalies get away with far too much (former goalie myself). Having punched someone in the face because I missed the ball, I know just how much force it goes into it and the damage it can do. With a clean punch it should be a red every day of the week.
Onana wasn't that bad, but as he said, he only watched the ball and was unaware of his surroundings. That is by no means good. He then proceeded to clash into a couple of players, and then he followed through - had he retracted his arms, I don't think anyone would argue it's a penalty. It's the force he uses and following through that's the biggest issue.
As I read it, that doesn't say keepers shouldn't be penalised for missing the ball clattering an attacker.The rule is you basically can't touch a keeper inside that box when he's mid air trying to catch the ball because he's very defenseless at that moment.
https://soccerfolders.com/soccer-goalie-box-rules/
Did you read the part 'any contact with the keeper when he is jumping to catch a ball and it's a foul'?As I read it, that doesn't say keepers shouldn't be penalised for missing the ball clattering an attacker.
As much as it looked a pen, you don't even see those given (unless you're Messi and the world cup is rigged for you). Even in the first half, Jose Sa took Antony out after he lobbed him. Not even a word from the commentators
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Well, the thread is about the Onana incident. The force used by Onana is much greater than the Antony incident. I think both should be looked at. If it was Antony who fouled a defender clearing the ball inside the box like that, it would be a free kick 9/10 times. If an attacker rushes into Onana like that, it's a free kick 10/10 times. Onana was lucky to get away with it. He knows it. What worries me is his own words that he only looked at the ball - you cannot do that. If you challenge for the ball 8 yards out and you have no bearings on your surroundings, you are asking for trouble.Yes, you did mention Antony as an after thought, but still concentrated on our keeper and accused him of punching a player, which he did not. Onana tried to go for the ball and clattered in to their player. Same thing happened to Antony, and nobody batted an eye. If one was a pen , so was the other. If one was dangerous, so was the other.
These things tend to happens a lot in contact sports, and I have seen goalkeepers get away with a lot worse than this incident, and a similar thing happened in the same match. Yet all the focus is on Onana and the narrative that some massive mistake was made and Wolves were unjustly robbed of a point. No they were not, Wolves are shit at scoring goals and they only have themselves to blame, and the pen decisions cancelled each other so no big decision was made against them.
I can't find any mention of this supposed rule either in the IFAB or PL rules. I don't think soccerfolders.com is a serious source.Did you read the part 'any contact with the keeper when he is jumping to catch a ball and it's a foul'?
That rule is there for a reason. First a keeper is very defenseless when he's mid air raising his arms trying to catch the ball. Second if that rule wasn't there teams would just cross the ball into the box then have their tall strong players jumping to push the keeper away. Most of the time the keeper wouldn't be able to get the ball. Which also means he missing the ball and clatering an attacker.
Then it's a pen or not? If yes we'd have like 10 pens for each team a match. It'll be a mess and the game basically a shitshow. Every team would end up with 11 basketball players instead of football players.
Of course he should have retracted his arms when he should have realised he was never getting the ball. Same with a defender; when they clearly cannot reach the ball they retract their leg from not causing a serious injury to the other player. How does this not make sense?If this was the case we have to sell him immediately tbh. He's a keeper ffs. If he doesn't want to use his arms in that kind of situation we must all seriously question his brain and sell him asap. What a crazy take.
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How is that not similar? Keeper rushed and took out player after player played the ball.They're not even remotely similar incidents
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Sa is in the process of trying ot make a save, there was also minimal contact - Onana clatters his arms/whole body into a player while challenging for the ball.How is that not similar? Keeper rushed and took out player after player played the ball.
What's the difference? If that was a centre back that'd be a foul right?They're not even remotely similar incidents
If the attacker was shooting and the defender went to slide and block the ball in front and the strikers follow-through took him into the defender it wouldn't be a foul no.What's the difference? If that was a centre back that'd be a foul right?
The ball deflected off his hand in the VAR video....As I read it, that doesn't say keepers shouldn't be penalised for missing the ball clattering an attacker.
You're right. I had to read the rules again and there's no such rule. But it's also true that this unwritten rule has been in the game for ages and has been consistently implemented. And for good practical reasons imo. What a mess here really.I can't find any mention of this supposed rule either in the IFAB or PL rules. I don't think soccerfolders.com is a serious source.
He's a keeper not a field player mate. Behind him is the empty net. A keeper must make himself as tall and as large as possible when jumping for a high ball regardless of the potential he'd get the ball or not. Imagine what if he didn't raise his arms and the ball made a slight deflect touching one of the two Wolves players then went into the net because he didn't raise his arms. That would look so so stupid for any keeper to let that happen.Of course he should have retracted his arms when he should have realised he was never getting the ball. Same with a defender; when they clearly cannot reach the ball they retract their leg from not causing a serious injury to the other player. How does this not make sense?