Utd v Wolves Officials dropped for next week

[1988]

Feck me

 

[Giggsyking]

You think that should've been given?

Why can't our fans accept when we get lucky?

I think yes. He moved his hand to block the ball. It doesn't matter if its natural position or not when intention is to handle the ball.

 

[Alvaro Maestre]

It was the lateness that made it a pen. Like with a tackle that misses the ball by a mile.

I do understand your reasoning if this happens in the ground with a slide tackle or dive from the keeper. But when it's a battle in the air, its fair game ( I've seen head-to-head collisions between defenders and attackers - both missing the ball and it's never a penalty)

 

[MonkeysMagic]

This kind of overreaction is precisely why Refs don't want ti give us close decisions. When we got a few penalties few seasons back leading to Klopp blowing his fuse, we went through the next couple season with hardly any pens (someone correct me but didn't we have the fewest last season?) So I think we can safely assume that this season the precedent has been set,hence the overreaction on the first game. Its by design!

 

[P-Ro]

Quite funny how the reaction on here is all gloomy despite getting a dodgy decision going your way. The idea that the refs band together a few days after and decide that the best course of action is to give even shittier decisions to even it out is fecking nuts.

 

[glazed]

Let’s accept that it was a foul by Onana. Can anyone point to another similar challenge by a keeper that resulted in a pk — in the history of the game?

We see pk’s given all the time when the keeper goes to the ground and gets the player but not the ball. That’s not what happened here.

According to the caf this wasn't a penalty either

 

[glazed]

But when it's a battle in the air, its fair game

But it wasn't a battle. The ball was long gone. If it had been it would probably have been OK.

 

[Faetheshire86]

This stinks of the Casemiro red card last season. We'll see keepers clearing out players in the coming weeks and wont hear a peep about it.

 

[justboy68]

Quite funny how the reaction on here is all gloomy despite getting a dodgy decision going your way. The idea that the refs band together a few days after and decide that the best course of action is to give even shittier decisions to even it out is fecking nuts.

It’s more about the knowledge in the back of your mind that giving anything United’s way will cause a massive uproar. If you would have watched our games following the City debacle last season it was unbelievable the shit that teams were getting away with against us. It was honestly about 8 weeks of us getting shafted in every game.

 

[sebsheep]

Let’s accept that it was a foul by Onana. Can anyone point to another similar challenge by a keeper that resulted in a pk — in the history of the game?

We see pk’s given all the time when the keeper goes to the ground and gets the player but not the ball. That’s not what happened here.

Ederson last season against Arsenal and everyone was incredibly surprised because they just don't get given.
I think there may have even been a similar incident around that time where the keeper wasn't punished.

 

[Jeppers7]

In isolation I can see why people think it should be a pen. Similar with the Anthony incident. Attacker gets to the ball. The challenge comes in after, misses the ball and collides with attacker.

In isolation yes…..in reality these just don’t get given.

 

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You just know this is going to lead to us getting a few dodgy VAR decisions given against us in coming weeks!

I do like that there is consequence to performance. However there is to much talk about penalty that Wolves should have got and not on two penalties we should have got.
As I said last year. Club needs to make sure that decisions that not go our way is out in the light. Otherwise people might think that we get more decisions for than against which is not true.

 

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That is situation I have been talking about in other thread. Red card and penalty. No way around it.

 

[Bertie Wooster]

The reaction to the reaction is also quite entertaining. But we got away with one without doubt.

So if the keeper arriving late and fouling the player in their follow through is suddenly a stonewall penalty, then surely as well as 'getting away with one' we were also equally wrongly denied one with the Antony situation? Funny how one incident has gone uncommented on like all other similar incidents each week - but the other is suddenly a stonewall penalty.

 

[LordSpud]

We just need to watch our backs now. The refs club will be itching to make amends by giving one of our players a cheap red, the opposition a cheap pen and definitely denying us clean pens.

 

[Get In Scholesy]

Anyone know if they were dropped for that last minute call alone, or a culmination of no calls through the game (Sa clipping Antony and the Wolves player handling the ball preventing it from going in)?

 

[Strelok]

This is incredibly weird imo. The FA has usually been super protective of their refs. They didn't give a feck for much worse shit in the past. Make you really wonder why.

 

[Giggsyking]

That is situation I have been talking about in other thread. Red card and penalty. No way around it.

The reasoning was his arms where tucked in, but so did Willian against us in the cup last year. His arm where tucked, but his intentions was to handle the ball. The position of the arm is not important if his intentionally handled the ball.

 

[Chief123]

That is situation I have been talking about in other thread. Red card and penalty. No way around it.

Whaa? How is that ever a penalty never mind red card?

Honest question, what is he meant to do with his arms? Make them disappear for a few seconds?


We are getting a lot of Rawkish takes since last night.

 

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The reasoning was his arms where tucked in, but so did Willian against us in the cup last year. His arm where tucked, but his intentions was to handle the ball. The position of the arm is not important if his intentionally handled the ball.

Whaa? How is that ever a penalty never mind red card?

Honest question, what is he meant to do with his arms? Make them disappear for a few seconds?


We are getting a lot of Rawkish takes since last night.

When others in media and so called expert get rawkish because of their disslike for our club you got to stand up for yourself and get rawkish back. Our club just need to point out two penalties we should have had to silence them.

However, If you take a look at replay and not just picture you can see where Semedo was, which way he was running to block the ball and ball trajectory. He made his body bigger with his arm and that stopped the ball. Now people can talk about arm close to body or whatever. Ball was heading into goal and he saved it with his arm. If he didn't touch the ball it would have gone in because keeper was in wrong place.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

The FA are a fecking joke.

 

[JagUTD]

Deserved. Shocking assault on Onana by the Wolves player late on. Could've killed him

 

[lex talionis]

According to the caf this wasn't a penalty either

Yes, that one. Difference there is that the challenge was so reckless it was arguably violent.

Onana made a genuine attempt to the ball, so it seems to me. He didn’t get the ball, but if that’s a pen, then we now know that it’s now a pen and we should expect to see that called from here on out…after about a century of professional football when keeper were allowed to go for it and risk missing a ball in flight without being punished with a pen.

 

[Ayoba]

Has rishi sunak made a statement yet?

 

[Okey]

A bit over the top No? Hardly the worst decision ever.

 

[JagUTD]

Posted "Justice for Onana" on a Wolves fan page and have been banned.

Classless club built on violence.

 

[JagUTD]

Has rishi sunak made a statement yet?

Yes. Rightfully condemned opposition to Onana's barge.

 

[Ludens the Red]

Quite funny how the reaction on here is all gloomy despite getting a dodgy decision going your way. The idea that the refs band together a few days after and decide that the best course of action is to give even shittier decisions to even it out is fecking nuts.

A premier league referee admitted to basically being dodgy in a premier league game involving YOUR club in 2016. He admitted to deliberately not sending off players because it suited a story. He went onto say this was common practice in refereeing. There’s so much evidence that referees continue to make incorrect decisions deliberately based on how they think the game needs to go. Why do you still therefore think this is nuts to suggest.

It’s a laughable overreaction. And they’ve set a dangerous precedent because you can guarantee there’ll be some wrong decisions over the coming weeks. If the punishment is this then there’ll be no referees available by October.

 

[P-Ro]

A premier league referee admitted to basically being dodgy in a premier league game involving YOUR club in 2016. He admitted to deliberately not sending off players because it suited a story. He went onto say this was common practice in refereeing. There’s so much evidence that referees continue to make incorrect decisions deliberately based on how they think the game needs to go. Why do you still therefore think this is nuts to suggest.

It’s a laughable overreaction. And they’ve set a dangerous precedent because you can guarantee there’ll be some wrong decisions over the coming weeks. If the punishment is this then there’ll be no referees available by October.

That was one attention seeking cnut ref, for one specific game that decided the title. It's quite different from every official in a ten game span actively deciding to give decisions to the opposition (which by the way wouldn't help Wolves at all) out of some weird form of justice. Come on now. It's nuts.

 

[Ludens the Red]

That was one attention seeking cnut ref, for one specific game that decided the title. It's quite different from every official in a ten game span actively deciding to give decisions to the opposition (which by the way wouldn't help Wolves at all) out of some weird form of justice. Come on now. It's nuts.

It’s not just him, there’s endless refereeing stories. Referees admitting to booking certain players cos they didn’t like them. Referees booking players to show their authority. Referees booking players to get them time off during Christmas. You’ve had referees admit to being told by the refereeing board to state they haven’t seen incidents on the pitch to protect them. How much more evidence do we need to see referees are bent as feck. Nothing should surprise you in football.
I mean there’s a football club right now openly abusing and bending rules to dodge ffp (when another football club had been charged for doing it 115 times) and yet nobody is doing or saying anything about it. Football is as dirty and bent as any sport out there right now.

 

[Anustart89]

Quite funny how the reaction on here is all gloomy despite getting a dodgy decision going your way. The idea that the refs band together a few days after and decide that the best course of action is to give even shittier decisions to even it out is fecking nuts.

I don't think it's a case of them banding together and deciding not to give us any decisions. It's just that if you give us a controversial decision your name's plastered all over the media and you might be demoted for the next weekend, which is literally costing you money.

However, if you decline to give United a penalty or give a dodgy decision against us, you'll get a much easier ride from the media. I understand you obviously can't remember all the incidents where we didn't get penalties last season, but there were so many incidents that were so blatant (I'll dig them up for you if you're interested) that had they been those against United we would've seen the same reaction as we're seeing now.

 

[P-Ro]

It’s not just him, there’s endless refereeing stories. Referees admitting to booking certain players cos they didn’t like them. Referees booking players to show their authority. Referees booking players to get them time off during Christmas. You’ve had referees admit to being told by the refereeing board to state they haven’t seen incidents on the pitch to protect them. How much more evidence do we need to see referees are bent as feck. Nothing should surprise you in football.
I mean there’s a football club right now openly abusing and bending rules to dodge ffp (when another football club had been charged for doing it 115 times) and yet nobody is doing or saying anything about it. Football is as dirty and bent as any sport out there right now.

You're veering into the weird, red tinted conspiratorial realm. You're using single instances of refs taking the rules into their own hands and running with it with rocket boots on.

It remains to be seen whether the club you are mentioning will break FFP. It's essentially a gamble that could easily go wrong in the coming years if we can't generate enough profit from future outgoings. People don't seem to realise how football accounting works, see 18 months of huge spending and assume that we've broken FFP already. Will we eventually break it in 3 years? Don't know? Maybe?

 

[Herman Toothrot]

I think we got lucky, but I can't imagine anyone else getting this result against Wolves makes a headline. I don't even think it would make headlines if it had happened between Chelsea and Liverpool.

 

[Teja]

Ten Hag needs to kick up a fuss about this - he's too nice when it comes to refs. Take the yellow card / caution it's fine.

 

[P-Ro]

However, if you decline to give United a penalty or give a dodgy decision against us, you'll get a much easier ride from the media. I understand you obviously can't remember all the incidents where we didn't get penalties last season, but there were so many incidents that were so blatant (I'll dig them up for you if you're interested) that had they been those against United we would've seen the same reaction as we're seeing now.

On every football forum you will find huge numbers of football fans who either say "There's an agenda against us" or "We never get the decisions against the big teams". Probably about half of the people I've ever spoken to regarding football has it in their heads that their club is the victim of far more injustices than other clubs. It's all bollocks. For every bad decision you have had against you I can give you another.

 

[Ludens the Red]

@P-Ro were all going round in circles here but seriously this isn’t red tinted specs or paranoia it is fact that when Manchester United get controversial decisions going there way it stirs up more of a reaction. Suggesting it’s the same as every club is nonsense. In much the same way United losing games and being shit stirs up more reaction than any other club. It’s simply a consequence of being the biggest and most hated club in the country. Referees aren’t robots, in the same way refs over the years have given incorrect decisions in our favour whether that be from the presence of Sir Alex or something else outside of following the rules the same way they’d do the opposite if they’d want to avoid scrutiny and wide scale criticism. And on the back of giving Manchester United a semi controversial decision you can bet referees will be looking to avoid giving them another in the near future whether justified or not.

 

[ayushreddevil9]

It's always a story when it's United. You see this kind of thing week in, week out. They never get given.

Maybe they are setting a precedent for this season. But yeah i dont think they will do anything when liverpool inevitably gets a penalty when salah kicks an opponent.

 

[roonster09]

Our club is useless at setting agenda or driving PR in media for these decisions.

Not a single mention on Sa challenge on Antony by any "pundit" or "journalists".

Ramsdale did same to Bruno, not a single mention about that post match. Spurs keeper clattered Brentford player, 0 reactions for that.

Now this will ensure we won't be getting penalties and will be at receiving end for few shit decisions like last season, and all the shit decisions that will be against us won't be mentioned in the media at all so general masses will always be like "ManUtd get all the decisions"

 

[fallengt]

If it was a huge mistake that needed address officially, they have to give penalty for every GK vs player late collision from now on.
Otherwise it's just another ABU media talk.

 

[Get In Scholesy]

If the FA wants to continue making examples of referees, they wouldn’t have any left by Game week 4 I’m afraid.

The shambolic and shameless state of the English FA.