Maguire | he stays!

[M16Red]

Just don't register him. Simple as that.

Wow.. that would be brutal.. considering we registered you know who..

 

[El Presidente]

Mmm. £5m for Bailly, between £10/15m for Hannibal and £15m for Donny I'd say.

Sorry but these are way off. Every single one. And Hannibal is not even for sale, nor should he be.

 

[philippexyz]

I was right in my previous posts about him. Only cares about the money. Traces of narcissism, snobbism and delusions of grandeur.

Based on his hunger for money, i was hoping maybe Saudis will come to the rescue, but alas. He is a meme, should raise the viewership/profile of the Saudi league if they were to get him. Maybe he doesn't fancy himself and his family living in a theocratic dictatorship.

I don't blame him that much. Harry is just a symptom of a much more sinister, foul disease - Glazers, Woodward, catastrophic scouting, lack of competent Director of Football...

 

[Duafc]

He was being transferred, when do players get paid to transfer teams - never.
If this was us terminating the contract so he's a free agent, then a payoff would make sense.

This is money he's asking for because he'd be getting paid less at another club. That's not our problem.


Pointing out that he's lied about his intentions and desires, isn't an "expression of fiction." It's literal fact. He's aware he won't play, knows without games he won't get picked for England. These are things he's spoken about wanting to do.
He's also been vocal in wanting to stay, being captain of Manchester United is a privilege yada yada yada - yet is trying to milk the club to leave, when he knows he's not good enough.
Actions say otherwise.

Alright, I called him a scab, I suppose a leech would have been more accurate and pleased you more.

This idea you have of players lying to fans through totally banal PR statements every player says and through their actions/motivations that you are 90% inferring is so hilariously juvenile.

Accept the fact you don't really know what Maguire thinks or wants in all of this and that transfers are just a little complicated.

Of course we want him gone and many think the best thing he could do is seek to play football and it reflects poorly on him settling for a complete bit part role at a club that doesnt value him - that's a fine opinion without dramatizing the whole thing around payoffs and lying to precious fans.

 

[Redcy]

People saying he should be banished, etc, you cant really do that as PSG became aware of with Mbappe. All employment laws apply to all employees, if we refuse to put him in our squad or we dont register him without good reason then he could come after us legally for constructive dismissal or some such emploment law (I am not sure which one exactly).

All you can do is stick him in the squad and don't select him. What Erik could say is "he is not part of my squad options anymore, I can't see him getting many minutes with the way we are playing"... but thats not massively different to what we have said.

 

[bringbackbebe]

I've somewhat changed my position on Maguire after these last few weeks. For one, I'm happy he's willing to stay and fight. Yes, he's not worth his wages, yes, he's been disastrous for us - but if he puts his head down, is willing to work and resurrect his career, we as United fans should back him up and support him rather than bite behind his back. This is not the Maguire of two years ago who was egotistical and conceited. This is a man willing to acknowledge he is lacking something & willing to improve on it. I hope he succeeds.

 

[dubplate warrior]

People saying he should be banished, etc, you cant really do that as PSG became aware of with Mbappe. All employment laws apply to all employees, if we refuse to put him in our squad or we dont register him without good reason then he could come after us legally for constructive dismissal or some such emploment law (I am not sure which one exactly).

All you can do is stick him in the squad and don't select him. What Erik could say is "he is not part of my squad options anymore, I can't see him getting many minutes with the way we are playing"... but thats not massively different to what we have said.

There's no chance of constructive dismissal for not being in the squad.

 

[ForceKing90]

“In 2019 I was very good in England. I was playing in the Europa League but I was very angry with the coach because he was putting Maguire in the team instead of me. Thank God they have taken him out now and Licha [Lisandro] Martinez is playing. One day I went to Solskjaer's office to tell him to let me leave for another club or put me in the starting line-up. I said it was wrong that I wasn't playing. But he told me that Maguire had to play regardless because they had paid so much money for him. He was making huge mistakes every week already and I told Solskjaer: ‘Son of a b*tch, let me play because this guy is making huge mistakes every week’.”

- Marco Rojo

"The club should avoid favouring English players and give everyone a chance...they should encourage competition in the dressing room, not just look out for some. I’ve always had the feeling that the national player was prioritised. That doesn’t happen at Chelsea or other big Premier League clubs. Some people take it for granted that they are going to start, and that weakens the team."

- Eric Bailly

 

[Lash]

People saying he should be banished, etc, you cant really do that as PSG became aware of with Mbappe. All employment laws apply to all employees, if we refuse to put him in our squad or we dont register him without good reason then he could come after us legally for constructive dismissal or some such emploment law (I am not sure which one exactly).

All you can do is stick him in the squad and don't select him. What Erik could say is "he is not part of my squad options anymore, I can't see him getting many minutes with the way we are playing"... but thats not massively different to what we have said.

We don't need to banish him though, we just need to keep playing him as much as we have. Most teams would love to have a player of his quality as depth, it's only in our interest to let him go if we can make some money back - which paying him off and only getting 30m would probably not be the case.

 

[Redcy]

We don't need to banish him though, we just need to keep playing him as much as we have. Most teams would love to have a player of his quality as depth, it's only in our interest to let him go if we can make some money back - which paying him off and only getting 30m would probably not be the case.

I agree, this is what I am saying we just keep him and don't play him. Its the idea you can punish an employee with a contract because they won't leave that people seem to thing will work that is the issue. You can not treat people differently because they are sticking to their contract, that is definitely a potential employment law suit.

 

[Enigma_87]

People saying he should be banished, etc, you cant really do that as PSG became aware of with Mbappe. All employment laws apply to all employees, if we refuse to put him in our squad or we dont register him without good reason then he could come after us legally for constructive dismissal or some such emploment law (I am not sure which one exactly).

All you can do is stick him in the squad and don't select him. What Erik could say is "he is not part of my squad options anymore, I can't see him getting many minutes with the way we are playing"... but thats not massively different to what we have said.

Mbappe is actually useful addition to the squad. Maguire is not. There’s no base for him to complain if he’s not registered unless it’s written in his contract.

It’s actually a requirement that Maguire is available when healthy for selection. Whether or not the club want to register him is another matter if it isn’t explicitly said in the contract. United is privately run club, not a social institution

 

[soapythecat]

First HM and now Bailly. Our abilities to move players on is a stain in the club moving forward. Paying so much for dross.

 

[justsomebloke]

People saying he should be banished, etc, you cant really do that as PSG became aware of with Mbappe. All employment laws apply to all employees, if we refuse to put him in our squad or we dont register him without good reason then he could come after us legally for constructive dismissal or some such emploment law (I am not sure which one exactly).

All you can do is stick him in the squad and don't select him. What Erik could say is "he is not part of my squad options anymore, I can't see him getting many minutes with the way we are playing"... but thats not massively different to what we have said.

Actually it is. Harry Maguire: Erik ten Hag says defender must prove he is top class or leave Man Utd - BBC Sport


"He has the ability to be a top-class centre-back," said Ten Hag.

"He is the best for England so why shouldn't he be the best for us?

"But he has to prove it. When he is not confident enough to fight then he has to go, then he has to make a decision. But I'm happy with him."


Which sounds a lot more like an invitation to give it another go than a door slammed in his face.

 

[Red_toad]

People saying he should be banished, etc, you cant really do that as PSG became aware of with Mbappe. All employment laws apply to all employees, if we refuse to put him in our squad or we dont register him without good reason then he could come after us legally for constructive dismissal or some such emploment law (I am not sure which one exactly).

All you can do is stick him in the squad and don't select him. What Erik could say is "he is not part of my squad options anymore, I can't see him getting many minutes with the way we are playing"... but thats not massively different to what we have said.

Ten Hag is handling it superbly, Harry needs to improve his standards all the way. Don’t see him getting much game time unless we have a major injury list. He can sit and rot on the bench when he’s selected for it and enjoy his big wage.

 

[Lash]

I agree, this is what I am saying we just keep him and don't play him. Its the idea you can punish an employee with a contract because they won't leave that people seem to thing will work that is the issue. You can not treat people differently because they are sticking to their contract, that is definitely a potential employment law suit.

Oh yes, sorry, I wasn't disagreeing. Was highlighting the futility of the calls for banishment.

 

[hobbers]

Says it all that there’s not even a shred of interest from Saudi clubs

 

[Mart1974]

Wow.. that would be brutal.. considering we registered you know who..

Voldermort?

 

[Kag]

If he doesn’t push to leave then he’s in for a truly horrendous twelve months.

 

[Sarni]

If he doesn’t push to leave then he’s in for a truly horrendous twelve months.

Nah I don't think so. He's probably going to start 10-15 games for us, and come on in 15-20 more. He will still get plenty of time as we don't have that much depth at the back.

 

[poleglass red]

I feel he will still go, regardless of what ETH says publicly, he doesn't rate him. The stumbling block is his pay off, both parties will continue to negotiate this and find an agreed number. The issue is, it's not leaving much room to buy the replacement we need

 

[Superunknown]

Taking all of the money and transfer situation out of his, the simple matter is that he is very low in the pecking order. He lost his position to a fecking left back last year. Varane, Martinez, Lindelof, and now Shaw are comfortably all ahead of him. If we just see it in those simple terms, he would have to be very fortunate in terms of players picking up injuries or going through a tremendous loss of form before he is thrown in.

I worry that ETH will want him to undergo some kind of redemption arc and will throw him in to more games. He just isn't the right calibre of player we need going forward. We've moved on. I also can't see him raising his skill level to justify a place in the starting 11.

 

[Nogho]

Just came here again after watching a ten minute clip of Maguire doing all kind of clowning accompanied to clown music. I'm now tired of all the laughing. It's honestly Sunday League class. We are paying a pub footballer silly wages and moaning no ones want's him. If they look at the same clip I just watched no one would never ever take him even if they got paid to do it.

I know, I know it's just a clip, but I honestly, I had forgotten how bad it is since he did not play that much last season.

Know I need find another clip...

 

[M16Red]

I'd play Bailly over this guy, at lest we can play with a high line.

 

[tomaldinho1]

“In 2019 I was very good in England. I was playing in the Europa League but I was very angry with the coach because he was putting Maguire in the team instead of me. Thank God they have taken him out now and Licha [Lisandro] Martinez is playing. One day I went to Solskjaer's office to tell him to let me leave for another club or put me in the starting line-up. I said it was wrong that I wasn't playing. But he told me that Maguire had to play regardless because they had paid so much money for him. He was making huge mistakes every week already and I told Solskjaer: ‘Son of a b*tch, let me play because this guy is making huge mistakes every week’.”

- Marco Rojo

"The club should avoid favouring English players and give everyone a chance...they should encourage competition in the dressing room, not just look out for some. I’ve always had the feeling that the national player was prioritised. That doesn’t happen at Chelsea or other big Premier League clubs. Some people take it for granted that they are going to start, and that weakens the team."

- Eric Bailly

I think Ole was a terrible manager but struggle to believe he'd have been stupid enough to say this.

 

[Stadjer]

Says it all that there’s not even a shred of interest from Saudi clubs

Well ofcourse there isnt. Saudi clubs want positive attention to their league, they arent going to sign the biggest meme in world football to play in their league.

 

[hobbers]

Well ofcourse there isnt. Saudi clubs want positive attention to their league, they arent going to sign the biggest meme in world football to play in their league.

Thats part of why it's so surprising. They're obviously chasing headline signings and social media engagement so you'd think England regular and biggest meme in football would be attractive to them.

 

[Sir Chapman]

Taking all of the money and transfer situation out of his, the simple matter is that he is very low in the pecking order. He lost his position to a fecking left back last year. Varane, Martinez, Lindelof, and now Shaw are comfortably all ahead of him. If we just see it in those simple terms, he would have to be very fortunate in terms of players picking up injuries or going through a tremendous loss of form before he is thrown in.

I worry that ETH will want him to undergo some kind of redemption arc and will throw him in to more games. He just isn't the right calibre of player we need going forward. We've moved on. I also can't see him raising his skill level to justify a place in the starting 11.

Indeed, I would even take every day Bailly (as long as he stays fit) over Maguire but he seems to be knocking on the door to get out. ETH is doing it on a quite professional way giving Harry the "chance" but on the same side saying "if he's not ready, he must leave". It really would be the best way for all sides if he decides to leave for another club, has a good impact there, contribute to this personal stats and have a secured starting spot for the European Championship 2024. If this is not worth for him from the sporting aspect, then he prefers the Bale way to stay at the club, rot on the bench and earns 200k per week, which will definitely cause some instability within the club and the fans base.

I was right in my previous posts about him. Only cares about the money. Traces of narcissism, snobbism and delusions of grandeur.

Based on his hunger for money, i was hoping maybe Saudis will come to the rescue, but alas. He is a meme, should raise the viewership/profile of the Saudi league if they were to get him. Maybe he doesn't fancy himself and his family living in a theocratic dictatorship.

I don't blame him that much. Harry is just a symptom of a much more sinister, foul disease - Glazers, Woodward, catastrophic scouting, lack of competent Director of Football...

The Glazers, Woodward and the whole background has caused a lot of problems still remaining years after. It will take time until we get rid of all these old problems and start from scratch. Currently, we are on a great way and just need to keep this momentum, hence I hope we manage to sell the mentioned players and put quality competition in order to get back to the very top.

 

[windycityfan]

It’s almost as though someone must be forcing ETH to keep him and slowly integrate him into becoming an option. It’s an unusual pivot from the initial stance. It’s also strange just a mere (5-7m give or take) sum made the deal fall through. ETH showed ruthlessness and conviction in his strategy. For some reason that hasn’t been the case with Maguire- or rather, is no longer the case.

 

[United Hobbit]

Wish Southgate would stop being so far up his arse and making him an automatic pick, think the only way we could get rid of him would be for him to be told he's not getting picked if he's not playing regularly

Hope we don't play him at all to force him out in January

 

[JustinC00]

I've somewhat changed my position on Maguire after these last few weeks. For one, I'm happy he's willing to stay and fight. Yes, he's not worth his wages, yes, he's been disastrous for us - but if he puts his head down, is willing to work and resurrect his career, we as United fans should back him up and support him rather than bite behind his back. This is not the Maguire of two years ago who was egotistical and conceited. This is a man willing to acknowledge he is lacking something & willing to improve on it. I hope he succeeds.

No this is a person that has no ambition and is content to ride the bench instead of losing 80k a week because he knows even if he doesn't play his place in the national team isn't in jeopardy as Southgate has shown. This isn't him staying to fight for a place because he's already been told his place which is 5th choice CB when Malacia is fit because ETH would rather play Shaw at CB than Maguire.

 

[Grande]

“In 2019 I was very good in England. I was playing in the Europa League but I was very angry with the coach because he was putting Maguire in the team instead of me. Thank God they have taken him out now and Licha [Lisandro] Martinez is playing. One day I went to Solskjaer's office to tell him to let me leave for another club or put me in the starting line-up. I said it was wrong that I wasn't playing. But he told me that Maguire had to play regardless because they had paid so much money for him. He was making huge mistakes every week already and I told Solskjaer: ‘Son of a b*tch, let me play because this guy is making huge mistakes every week’.”

- Marco Rojo

"The club should avoid favouring English players and give everyone a chance...they should encourage competition in the dressing room, not just look out for some. I’ve always had the feeling that the national player was prioritised. That doesn’t happen at Chelsea or other big Premier League clubs. Some people take it for granted that they are going to start, and that weakens the team."

- Eric Bailly

Some people talk better with fire extinguishers than with words.

This reads as if Phil Jones would claim to have a better injury record than Maguire.

 

[el3mel]

Shit. We're stuck with him even when we actually don't want to.

 

[JustinC00]

This is what really pisses me off about our transfer strategy this season.

That deal still would have been held up by Maguire wanting a payoff.

 

[Camy89]

I am fed up of this man.

 

[Bondi77]

Could have sold Maguire and McT for 53m. Now we're stuck with both and they will likely lose value drastically next transfer window. Also can't do further transfers properly.

Or we could be positive and McTominay could produce his Scottish performances in a Utd shirt and win crucial games for us as he has the ability but I suppose positively is rare on here.

 

[Sgreddevil]

“In 2019 I was very good in England. I was playing in the Europa League but I was very angry with the coach because he was putting Maguire in the team instead of me. Thank God they have taken him out now and Licha [Lisandro] Martinez is playing. One day I went to Solskjaer's office to tell him to let me leave for another club or put me in the starting line-up. I said it was wrong that I wasn't playing. But he told me that Maguire had to play regardless because they had paid so much money for him. He was making huge mistakes every week already and I told Solskjaer: ‘Son of a b*tch, let me play because this guy is making huge mistakes every week’.”

- Marco Rojo

"The club should avoid favouring English players and give everyone a chance...they should encourage competition in the dressing room, not just look out for some. I’ve always had the feeling that the national player was prioritised. That doesn’t happen at Chelsea or other big Premier League clubs. Some people take it for granted that they are going to start, and that weakens the team."

- Eric Bailly

I wonder if Rojo really said that. Seems to be too direct and disregarded any form of relationship that he had with Maguire prior to that.
At least Bailly's was more indirect even though we all knew who he was referring to.

 

[RedDevil@84]

Or we could be positive and McTominay could produce his Scottish performances in a Utd shirt and win crucial games for us as he has the ability but I suppose positively is rare on here.

He doesn't play the same role at United.

 

[red woppit]

I think Ole was a terrible manager but struggle to believe he'd have been stupid enough to say this.

I just wonder how much real power Ole had?

 

[tomaldinho1]

I just wonder how much real power Ole had?

As much as any of our managers?

 

[Bondi77]

He doesn't play the same role at United.

He has the ability and that is the main thing for a squad player so Erik has that to use as he chooses.