The best disincentive then would be to have him the in squad travelling; all dressed up but never selecting him to start or to come on as a sub.
Maguire | he stays!
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
I completely understand if football fans find it hard to empathise with a "disliked employee" who plays football for a living and earns more than most senior executives, let alone his peers of a similar standard.
For me the financial calculation isn't as straightforward for Maguire if we leave him to rot in the reserves. In 2 years he'll be lucky to receive a 50K/yr contract. Which seems to be what the club is negotiating on with the partial pay-off which I find perfectly reasonable.
For me the financial calculation isn't as straightforward for Maguire if we leave him to rot in the reserves. In 2 years he'll be lucky to receive a 50K/yr contract. Which seems to be what the club is negotiating on with the partial pay-off which I find perfectly reasonable.
Guess the question is, will he actually get booed by our fans? I wouldn't be surprised if you hear him get ironic cheers from the oppositions supporters.
If it's money that he is looking for to compensate for the United rejection, not sure why his agent doesn't look for a club in the Saudi League.
Since Fergie left; did we ever "pushed" player out? We only sell players who want to go. And then we fans are shocked by the fact that our mentality is fragile and weak.
We still have too many players with zero ambition who are just happy to be here.
Who says he hasn't ?
I doubt so, Maguire seems well settled in the Manchester area that I know of (not a lot) and maybe he's living the good life apart from a slightly unsatisfying job (?) and people grinding teeth on the Internet.
But we don't really know what he (or his agent) has been thinking and doing, seems a little specious to bring it in the conversation.
Imo, this transfer window will be known for this rather than the signings we do make.
Absolutely, we could have had:
+ Amrabat and Pavard/Todibo
- Maguire and McTominay
For 5-10m net spend.
The Saudis want to burnish their reputation and market themselves as a viable top league in the world game.
Buying a meme doesn't further that cause, unfortunately.
Maguire could better than 95% of the other defenders in league. If he's not somebody the Saudis can put on a poster to advertise the competition to casual viewers, he won't be worth the spend.
True but he still can position himself as the ''former captain of the world famous Manchester United" as part of his personal brand.
Hilarious reactions. He's a professional player on ridiculous salary. Of course he wants what has been agreed by the idiots who contracted him.
Donny, Hannibal and Bailly combined should reach £30m at least.
It's about who would want them though I guess.
Look at the post directly above yours. His image is used as a punchline by default. It's a phenomenon that's too entrenched for any subheading to erase.
You also couldn't put a picture of Mr Bean on a poster saying "Oxford graduate" and expect people to link Rowan Atkinson to anything other the character we've all been trained to laugh at by the media.
Lessons to be learned by the club from this, recruit what we need (and Maguire obviously we didn't need long term) and stop paying big salaries to useless trash.
Completely agree. He's our new Phil Jones - a complete meme. He's a person that now exists for others to just to take the utter piss out of.
They’d genuinely struggle to reach half of that amount. Bailly is literally a free transfer.
I'm not surprised, I think the cup final stood out to me.
Came on at 88th minute;
Took the armband off Bruno;
First up the stairs;
Zero class.
Came on at 88th minute;
Took the armband off Bruno;
First up the stairs;
Zero class.
He was being transferred, when do players get paid to transfer teams - never.
If this was us terminating the contract so he's a free agent, then a payoff would make sense.
This is money he's asking for because he'd be getting paid less at another club. That's not our problem.
Pointing out that he's lied about his intentions and desires, isn't an "expression of fiction." It's literal fact. He's aware he won't play, knows without games he won't get picked for England. These are things he's spoken about wanting to do.
He's also been vocal in wanting to stay, being captain of Manchester United is a privilege yada yada yada - yet is trying to milk the club to leave, when he knows he's not good enough.
Actions say otherwise.
Alright, I called him a scab, I suppose a leech would have been more accurate and pleased you more.
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Feels like there's a growing sense of negativity building up around the club again. Not doing what we need to do in the transfer market, poor start to the season, players at the club who we can't shift and are bringing down the mood in the dressing room. Wouldn't be shocked if the wheels came off again but hey if it's what's needed to get rid of the Glazers...
This guy is the definition of a floater.
This is what really pisses me off about our transfer strategy this season.
It's a problem we caused by offering him such a stupid contract. It is a lot of money to give up.
I personally would want to play games, atleast at that age when you risk losing your spot for England aswell, but i can definitely understand that some chose money - just look at the Saudi Arabia mercenaries.
Either way, people shouldn't abuse or harass anyone, even if we don't like or agree with his decision.
We can only hope United learn their lesson and stop giving ridiculous contracts.
I think the negativity is largely just here not with the team, there is absolutely no evidence the likes of Maguire is bringing down the mood in the dressing room.
As underwhelming a performance against wolves as it was, I'm struggling with one win out of one being a poor start.
Yes we offered him inflated wages, as a professional footballer he knows the lay of the land. You don't perform, you get sold. With that comes the high chance your wages take a hit.
His performances are why we want rid, he should - if he has any pride - accept that he's at fault, suck it up, move and intend show that we were wrong.
Instead he's spitting his dummy out as if we're to blame he'll get a paycut.
Wouldn't be a conversation if he wasn't so bad.
The club will never learn.
While im not syaing hes trash, see Mason Mount's 250k / week contract as a prime example of this. Decent young player on mental wages and should be not make the cut here will be a nightmare to move on, however he will replace Bruno long term.
Its shocking he's sticking around the money. He wont stay in England team if he doesnt play. And he is nowhere near good enough for Utd and simply cannot play the sort of football ETH wants. WH woud have suited him. Its depressing that we are still not ruthless. He should not have been on bench on MOnday and should be banished to reserves.
You don't seem to understand the concept of contracts or money
Issam Chawali, the Arab world's most famous commentator, has made volumes of comments ridiculing Maguire. His reputation can't recover from that even there.
Totally agree. Send him down to the reserves.
I feel like it's more driven by Chelsea's spending + a bad first game. People need to calm down, if we don't sell Maguire it's not the end of the world, if we don't get Amrabat, it's not the end of the world. ETH was never going to win the league this year but we should expect progress in how we play and we can't judge that after 1 game. If he's not the right guy, he's not the right guy. Let's see how he does with this team.
The reason people should enjoy sport is because it is competitive and you learn to deal with winning and losing, sadly the PL is no longer competitive because the league let a country own a club but outside of City it looks to be a really interesting and hopefully enjoyable season. Given the CL extra place it's basically a top 4 race still.
Mmm. £5m for Bailly, between £10/15m for Hannibal and £15m for Donny I'd say.
Predictable Maguire move.
Harry should sue Issam for slander in the amount of between 7-15 million.
Just don't register him. Simple as that.
And the club should foot the legal bill itself.
It is our problem if we actively want to sell him.
If a club wants to sell but the player wants to stay, the club should be paying out the difference in wages (at least; technically the player is within their rights to get their entire wage owed, not just the difference).
If a player wants to be sold but the club wants him to stay, there should be no wage paid.
If both the player and the club want the sale, I would say something like a 50% pay off is fair. Of course both sides will pretend the other is the one pushing the sale so they can get more money for themselves, but ultimately they should settle in the middle somewhere.
I would say in this scenario it's almost certainly the third scenario. If Maguire is on £190k a week and West Ham are offering £120k, that works out to just under £7.3m difference over the two seasons so it'd be fine to be paying Maguire around the £3-4m mark. If he's demanding more than that he's being ridiculous, if we're refusing to pay him at all we're being pricks. Media reports does seem to say it's the former, but there's nothing wrong with paying him 'some'.
Do you mean we need to hire Nostradamus? One is three transfers will fail. That's a fact.
Lessons learnt is that before we want to sell the player, we need to do an entire PR campaign around them... build their personal brand up. And this way the Saudis will want to buy them/brand to enhance the league.