Sofyan Amrabat | signs for United on loan

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Think we will go ahead and panic buy him.
Love a good panic buy to kick start our season.

We should just abandon pre-seasons from now on. We just need to get spanked first couple of games and then make a few panic buys for the 3rd game. :drool:
 

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Sorry but he’s not going to change a thing until we sort our tactics out.
 

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Depends… if we really want to shore our midfield up and stop teams from walking through us then I’d be tempted to go 4-3-1-2/ 4-4-2 narrow diamond. I mean it’s not like any of our wide players are useful. Casa, Mount, Amrabat and Bruno. That way we have physicality, pressers, creativity and passers.
I don’t mean it in a disrespectful manner but we need to forget about anything creative with formation changes because it’s simply not going to happen.

ETH is dutch through and through and is not going to do anything other than the classic 433 with the merge of a 4231. This is what the Dutch live and die by. Any ideas of having 2 strikers need to be dismissed unless we sack the manager.

It’s always going to be 1 striker and 2 wingers.
 

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If he plays like he did at Verona, he'll be a fantastic signing. The problem is, at Fiorentina, his manager there was not a fan of his style and changed him for the worse.

The Verona version would be a good alternative to de Jong. He was excellent under pressure and could carry the ball forwards from deep brilliantly. I just hope he still has that in him.
 

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Sorry but he’s not going to change a thing until we sort our tactics out.
I would agree, but it may be the case that our tactics are messed up due to the options. ETH isn't keen on McTominay its clear. Eriksen doesn't look full match fit and for some reason we sold Fred without a direct replacement. It might just be Mount is being used since the alternative isn't there, causing the problems. Amrabat coming in gives the tactical option to sort things out. Just supposition.

Of course that begs the question why we signed Mount before someone of Amrabat's profile, but it can be we were expecting outgoings to cover incomings and the Mount deal was the simplest to get done and out of the way. We can't assume that the order of the deals was the order of importance, nor that ETH was not somehow let down in the marketplace. For sure it wouldn't be the first time a manager has been shafted by the current execs and ownership and has to make do.
 

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Exactly what's happening. This is a 26 year old, who's never come close to signing for another top club or done anything of not in his career. Yet is meant to be the solution to all of our problems.
Fernandinho signed for City when he was 28, after previously being at Shaktar and not much else.

And as Amrabat is 26, Basically what I'm saying is Amrabat > Fernandinho
 

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It’s annoying because we literally had a very good chance of signing Camavinga before he moved to Madrid, he wanted to come here but we messed it up.
Did that really happen?
I know we was linked with him for the majority of that window but nothing came of it. Then he went to Madrid
That's the complete opposite of how I remember it. It was being reported he wanted to go to Madrid the whole time, despite us hovering around.
 

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It might just be Mount is being used since the alternative isn't there,
That's a generous framing of the situation towards Ten Hag. ETH has pushed for the signing of Mount to pair him alongside Casemiro and Bruno, it's not like what we're seeing now is a last resort, it was the plan all along.

A lot of people said it's a bad idea months ago, and 2 games in it's abundantly clear those people had a point.
 

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This guy better be good because we really do need something transformative at the minute, not just another squad player.
 

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Rashford and Hojlund(when he's back) is your front 2 in this system I'm presuming?

Could potentially work. Might help us keep the ball more too. Highly doubt ETH uses this though.
Ye id go with that. Would also give more space to the full backs without any wide players. You’re right though ETH wouldn’t use this.
 

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This guy better be good because we really do need something transformative at the minute, not just another squad player.
With how Casemiro is looking, Ambrabrat might be something transformative if he manages to displace him.
 

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That's the complete opposite of how I remember it. It was being reported he wanted to go to Madrid the whole time, despite us hovering around.
I also don’t remember us putting any kind of offer in so how can we say he didn’t want to join us? We was sniffing around way before Madrid was.
 

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The desperation is so deep and so much hope is being pinned on this guy. At this point all utd fans are fully expecting a Arturo Vidal regen.
 

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I don’t mean it in a disrespectful manner but we need to forget about anything creative with formation changes because it’s simply not going to happen.

ETH is dutch through and through and is not going to do anything other than the classic 433 with the merge of a 4231. This is what the Dutch live and die by. Any ideas of having 2 strikers need to be dismissed unless we sack the manager.

It’s always going to be 1 striker and 2 wingers.
And that’s probably where he’ll go wrong then. Not being as flexible. Peps moved from his favourite 4-3-3 and played a back 3 recently, gone back to a 4-2-3-1. All successfully. Your right though… he’ll stick to 4-3-3 and try and make it work however long that may take
 

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The tactics are not right and I can't see thi signing making a huge difference. Plus, if we do sign him it just makes the Mount transfer even more bonkers.
 

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I also don’t remember us putting any kind of offer in so how can we say he didn’t want to join us? We was sniffing around way before Madrid was.
Well, we talk to him and his agent. If he's set on joining Madrid then we wouldn't bother.
 

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And that’s probably where he’ll go wrong then. Not being as flexible. Peps moved from his favourite 4-3-3 and played a back 3 recently, gone back to a 4-2-3-1. All successfully. Your right though… he’ll stick to 4-3-3 and try and make it work however long that may take
I think the variations in and out of posession will happen similar to Pep. We’ve been doing it ourselves with one of the full backs playing inverted and joining the CDM.

But in terms of attack, I don’t see ETH ever deploying 2 strikers from the start. Managers are generally set in their ways and will live and die by their methods which isn’t a bad thing.

I personally have had a lot of confidence in the decisions Ten Hag has made to date. However, a few recent ones are confusing and I’m struggling to see how it’ll work such as the midfield setup.

However, I do also think we need to see how we look once Hojlund has been integrated as we will have a very different profile of striker at that point. A player who can bring others into the game much better than Rashford can. I think we will see more benefit to the team when our striker isn’t constantly returning the ball back to opposition and forcing multiple transitions upon our midfield.
 

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Does anybody know why he didn't feature at all for his team today? Solely because of the transfer stuff?
 

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Does anybody know why he didn't feature at all for his team today? Solely because of the transfer stuff?
It’s looking like they don’t want to scupper any chances of a transfer by him getting injured. He was on the bench but was unused despite Fiorentina making 5 substitutions. The transfer situation is clearly affecting his selection in the team.
 

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It’s looking like they don’t want to scupper any chances of a transfer by him getting injured. He was on the bench but was unused despite Fiorentina making 5 substitutions. The transfer situation is clearly affecting his selection in the team.
Thanks, got it. Have to discourage this kind of behaviour by teams for the sake of the wellbeing of muppets on the outlook. Was ready to watch a fecking Seria A match to build an understanding and then he isn't even on the field.
 

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Thanks, got it. Have to discourage this kind of behaviour by teams for the sake of the wellbeing of muppets on the outlook. Was ready to watch a fecking Seria A match to build an understanding and then he isn't even on the field.
It sounds like Fiorentina CEO is happy to sell if the price is right. He only has a year left so they would rather sell him than let him go free. Hence they are probably trying to protect the deal from falling through due to an injury.
 

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It sounds like Fiorentina CEO is happy to sell if the price is right. He only has a year left so they would rather sell him than let him go free. Hence they are probably trying to protect the deal from falling through due to an injury.
They have 1 year left plus a 1 year option so they do not have to sell, contrary to popular belief.
 

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It's probably a dereliction of duty from this point onwards to allow Ten Hag to sign anymore players who he once managed. I'd hand it over to the scouts and ask them to throw some names out instead.
Haven't the time to do that this window
 

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They have 1 year left plus a 1 year option so they do not have to sell, contrary to popular belief.
Of course we are now visibly desperate and it's much later in the window. Unless we've already got a framework deal in place i reckon the price will go up 15m
 

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It's probably a dereliction of duty from this point onwards to allow Ten Hag to sign anymore players who he once managed. I'd hand it over to the scouts and ask them to throw some names out instead.
Aside from Antony, who was awful? Onana is still new and was so far OK even though it "felt" safer with DeGea, he is the way forward. Malacia AFAIK didn't play for EtH but was scouted in same league. Martinez has been immense. Not sure why Antony is malfunctioning in final third or if he was always like this.

Depends… if we really want to shore our midfield up and stop teams from walking through us then I’d be tempted to go 4-3-1-2/ 4-4-2 narrow diamond. I mean it’s not like any of our wide players are useful. Casa, Mount, Amrabat and Bruno. That way we have physicality, pressers, creativity and passers.
I'm all for that but doubt EtH would do it. It would be great with Højlund/Rashford. Behind a diamond. Our wing play is literally like fielding 9 or 10 instead of 11.
 

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don’t get me wrong he’s a good player but again IMO u need a link player and I don’t think he is it. He doesn’t carry the ball.
Yeah Gravenberch carries it and should be looking to do some kind of loan deal but this club has no business brains to propose it unfortunately
 

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Defensive midfielder? Sign him asap. I was harping on about us needing a striker all summer and didn't realise how neglected our defensive midfield options were, not to mention selling Fred. If we don't sign a CDM to support Casemiro and our defense then we will carry on getting dominated in midfield.
 
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