Yeah I alluded to this in an earlier post (May have been in this thread) but the odds of this happening to two players in a row in the same position must be astronomical. Like really, what are the chances of that?
Antony under investigation by Brazilian authorities for domestic abuse | Back in the squad
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) was joined by comedian Ali Woods to look back at the best and worst moments of a rollercoaster season with the annual United Hour Awards.
Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
I won't claim extensive knowledge of her allegations but I don't know there's any actual charge for sexual coercion (though honestly from the little I read it wouldn't be too surprising it's in there even if not explicitly mentioned) and that might make a big difference in perception -fair or not- if this reaches a certain point within legal proceedings.
Right now Brazilian police is looking into it so I assume it's a criminal investigation but eventually depending on how things go it might end up being a civil case. Might similarly alter perception by some of the public, hence MU's reaction.
Ah the irony of life...
Okay I was not aware of this bit. If true, this is not a good look for the club at all, and could explode far more than the Greenwood stuff did if club staff were actually involved here.
Sorry, I thought you were talking about Antony?
Ah the irony of life...
Pretty sure it was 99% because of the audio tape, not any photos.
This sh*t happens at every level of life.It's just we are the biggest club in the world makes this a story.
Getafe is just loving all this aren't they.Ah the irony of life...
Yup, it's up to Judge Arnold now.
Was both, photos led people to believe he actually followed though his threats. Otherwise they were just words.
I think if that was true he'd of been gone already, surely? You'd hope...
Disaster after disaster.
The pictures seem to be making claims after the fact of what they show
If you allege someone punched you in face and you get police report at the time and then get them to document your injuries that's proof.
Showing a photo of an old injury and retrospectively assigning responsibility for that to someone else, really isn't a very strong piece of evidence legally. At least in this country. Brazil may be different but given the story has been running for a good while now, I suspect it might be the same.
Unless there are police reports made the time that substantiate the injuries from the photos then i would doubt they would even be admissible in any criminal trial. Civil court (or Brazilian equivalent) is different story.
Hypothetically in the Greenwood case had that gone to trial, the cut lip picture would not have been seen by the jury or permitted in court by a judge for the same reason as it wouldn't meet threshold to be considered evidence.
The photos really aren't evidence without police reports being made on the day they were taken by the police themselves
If you allege someone punched you in face and you get police report at the time and then get them to document your injuries that's proof.
Showing a photo of an old injury and retrospectively assigning responsibility for that to someone else, really isn't a very strong piece of evidence legally. At least in this country. Brazil may be different but given the story has been running for a good while now, I suspect it might be the same.
Unless there are police reports made the time that substantiate the injuries from the photos then i would doubt they would even be admissible in any criminal trial. Civil court (or Brazilian equivalent) is different story.
Hypothetically in the Greenwood case had that gone to trial, the cut lip picture would not have been seen by the jury or permitted in court by a judge for the same reason as it wouldn't meet threshold to be considered evidence.
The photos really aren't evidence without police reports being made on the day they were taken by the police themselves
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This club is cursed..
The big difference here is part of accusation apparently involves a club doctor treating her injuries.
wait, whaaaaat?
Even if we don’t suspend him, how can he possibly be in the right frame of mind to play?
And wasn't some dates given for such allegations in Brazil when he happened to be in Manchester at the time?
I just can't see that personally. Antony knocks two bells out of his partner, takes her to the club to get fixed up and its all swept under the carpet by the club?
I have not. Is it a photo of him hitting her? If not, I don't see how it can be used as evidence.
I havn't seen the interview, but it takes quite a bit to sit for an interview like that and tell lies. When victims go public with a story, the story is likely to be true. It would take a very brave psychopath to make up a false story and go public with it. Possible, but not likely.
Time to change formation to ensure we don't have a right winger
Yeah, find it hard to believe myself. Especially in the age of information via social media.
Probably why we hired that new doctor from Arsenal. Okay, I'll remove my tin foil hat now.
Whenever anyone is first to the media in a criminal matter it's fair to ask why
She isn't bravely breaking cover trying to get attention to her plight. She knows the police are actively investigating it.
And wasn't this whilst Greenwood was suspended? I just can't see the club suspending one player whilst actively covering up another.
Surely going public with interviews isn't the best course of action if a criminal investigation is going on though? If it ever went to court the defence would be all over it if she exaggerated any details or did infact lie about something?
These allegations are pretty horrible.
UOL wrote that they have seen messages on her WhatsApp from Antony where he is apologising for kicking and punching her.
He has been removed from the national team and police in Manchester have been given evidence by the police in Sao Paolo.
UOL wrote that they have seen messages on her WhatsApp from Antony where he is apologising for kicking and punching her.
He will though, for a couple of reasons… first of all he’s our best right winger, and secondly he’s nowhere near as bad as everyone makes out. He’s underwhelming and sometimes infuriating but doesn’t deserve the shit he gets. That should be on the club and our manager for spending so much on him.
Sorry mate, just meant his Utd career, however after reading his Insta statement, he seems pretty confident he'll be vindicated.
Umm he will be replaced, just like the other guy. And charge or not it will happen sooner or later, whether it's in two years, three, etc. We might miss him until January, that's it.
None of that is new evidence though.
It's all known by the police. The only new element is the interview she gave to the magazine.
It's what the police that haven't yet concluded there's sufficient evidence to charge him, already have.
You can't suspend someone from their job based on reiteration.
It's all known by the police. The only new element is the interview she gave to the magazine.
It's what the police that haven't yet concluded there's sufficient evidence to charge him, already have.
You can't suspend someone from their job based on reiteration.
I can only hope we get clarity on what we do during this international break. If we’re going to temporary suspend him or something, then hopefully it gets done quickly in this break so it’s not something that’s bubbling over.
I hope this is all bollocks for a magnitude of reasons, mainly because what he is alleged to have done is sickening.
I hope this is all bollocks for a magnitude of reasons, mainly because what he is alleged to have done is sickening.
I mean, those allegations are so serious that I feel the club will have to suspend him.
We’ve been absolutely cursed with shit personalities in this squad the last decade. If all true, what a sad sad situation.
The second interview given to a magazine about the same subject. All with a court case hanging over them. Such a weird decision. Impossible to work out the logic behind any of it.
I don’t think FFP is going to magically fix itself in January unfortunately. We won’t be replacing him till next summer at the earliest.
If i were to hazard an uncharitable guess I'd have a punt on it being a sign of frustration the police matter hasn't concluded to pave the way to a more financially lucrative civil trial - or pre- civil trial settlement.
I wonder if FFP can make some sort of exception for this sort of thing? I mean these are very unique circumstances
Well the Greenwood situation would have shown that no-one is above accountability, so that might have something to do with it - or another reason entirely.
I feel like this is something the club, and especially Ten Hag, should have been aware of.
Damn...