Frenkie de Jong - Part 2 - Chase Harder.

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They are going after both spanish clubs, because they dared to cut them off from wealth and power. A mafia like organization can't allow that. You're allowed to raise and launder money as much as you can, as long as you do it under Uefa's reign and they take their share.
But barca already said they will go, if neccessary to the highest court, so the matter is not closed.
It's unreal how the money gained from the levers - that's money GAINED - is being treated like it's debt. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
 

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Not sure we need Frenkie anymore if we get Onana -- with casemiro and Mount who both can progress the ball through the buildup phase.
Honestly, last year he was the dream, but now he'd be the cherry on top – possibly next year. I think it should be a higher priority to find a relatively affordable but reliable enough (direct) cover for Casemiro and get an at least decent striker in. If somehow the money fountain resurges, go get him if you can, but now Frenkie wouldn't be building your spine anymore, he'd be enhancing it. In my (most recent – you'll probably find contradiction if for some reason you scroll through my history) opinion, get your baseline as high as possible, to avoid more of the Case-reliance, but also to avoid as much of the Brighton/L'pool/City debacles as possible. Becoming the dominant side in those games would be the step after that, for which Frenkie would be one of the most excellent options out there.

Kinda funny how he's shown to be more reliant and consistent this past season, than possibly ever, but now he feels less of a necessity as he did even last winter.
 

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It kinda is debt though, they clearly borrowed from future earnings.

You can gain money from a bank loan now based on future earnings, but you can’t declare it as income.
How is it a debt? Barca didn't borrow anything, they just sold some of their assets. They don't need to pay anything back, how can it be a debt then?
It just means, the future earnings will be smaller by that amount. So the next ffp cycle will need to be based on those new earnings, like always when a new ffp cycle starts. But it has nothing to do with debt, neither by logic, nor by definition. It was a simple sale, not a borrow. But it doesn't surprise me of course, that Uefa tries anything they can to punish the SL clubs. Let's see what the courts have to say, they will have the last words and it wouldn't be the first time, when a court put the leash back on Uefa.
 
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How is it a debt? Barca didn't borrow anything, they just sold some of their assets. They don't need to pay anything back, how can it be a debt then?
It just means, the future earnings will be smaller by that amount. So the next ffp cycle will need to be based on those new earnings, like always when a new ffp cycle starts. But it has nothing to do with debt, neither by logic, nor by definition. It was a simple sale, not a borrow. But it doesn't surprise me of course, that Uefa tries anything they can to punish the SL clubs. Let's see what the courts have to say, they will have the last words and it wouldn't be the first time, when a court put the leash back on Uefa.
It has to do with accounting practices. Barca has, I guess, received the cash flow from the sales. UEFA's argument is probably that the income from those sales should be accrued over the contract period. In that case it will be accounted for as debt on the balance sheet in the form of prepaid income and accrued over the contract period.

It's similar to if you or me would prepay a 12 month subscription for Netflix. That would also be accounted for as debt on their balance sheet and the income would be accrued monthly over the 12 months. It doesn't matter that Netflix received the cash on day 1.
 

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Honestly, last year he was the dream, but now he'd be the cherry on top – possibly next year. I think it should be a higher priority to find a relatively affordable but reliable enough (direct) cover for Casemiro and get an at least decent striker in. If somehow the money fountain resurges, go get him if you can, but now Frenkie wouldn't be building your spine anymore, he'd be enhancing it. In my (most recent – you'll probably find contradiction if for some reason you scroll through my history) opinion, get your baseline as high as possible, to avoid more of the Case-reliance, but also to avoid as much of the Brighton/L'pool/City debacles as possible. Becoming the dominant side in those games would be the step after that, for which Frenkie would be one of the most excellent options out there.

Kinda funny how he's shown to be more reliant and consistent this past season, than possibly ever, but now he feels less of a necessity as he did even last winter.
Too early to start Mainoo instead of Casemiro in the easier games?
 

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How is it a debt? Barca didn't borrow anything, they just sold some of their assets. They don't need to pay anything back, how can it be a debt then?
It just means, the future earnings will be smaller by that amount. So the next ffp cycle will need to be based on those new earnings, like always when a new ffp cycle starts. But it has nothing to do with debt, neither by logic, nor by definition. It was a simple sale, not a borrow. But it doesn't surprise me of course, that Uefa tries anything they can to punish the SL clubs. Let's see what the courts have to say, they will have the last words and it wouldn't be the first time, when a court put the leash back on Uefa.
Since they sold something that does not yet exist, they got received funds through something yet to be paid off/handed over, which makes it a debt (or pawn or collateral?) to whoever gave them money for they thing yet to be received, no?

But what I do find weird is that UEFA acts as a judicial power. Don't (shouldn't) they have limited rights concerning how to punish businesses?

Too early to start Mainoo instead of Casemiro in the easier games?
Guess we won't know until he's played more official (read: with stakes) games.
 

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Nothing dramatic will ever come out of this. We have heard it for ages now. Color me cynical but they will somehow manage. Rules seemingly don't apply to them.
Yep feels like City ever getting punished
 

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Since they sold something that does not yet exist, they got received funds through something yet to be paid off/handed over, which makes it a debt (or pawn or collateral?) to whoever gave them money for they thing yet to be received, no?

But what I do find weird is that UEFA acts as a judicial power. Don't (shouldn't) they have limited rights concerning how to punish businesses?


Guess we won't know until he's played more official (read: with stakes) games.
They sold 25% of their future income from La Liga tv rights. From what I gather that just means, someone else gets that money instead of them. It's not really a debt, it's just money they won't ever see.

But then, you have this, UEFA will not be counting this money as legitimate income for FFP.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...na sold 25,Studios, to two separate investors.
 

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Frenkie is an insane player and this Barcelona side would be in the wilderness without him controlling this mix of very experienced players and a bunch of kids.
 

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I’ve gone past him but it says a lot about him that he dodged the manager that nearly got Ajax to a CL final.

I think it also says a lot about Onana for example.
 

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I’ve gone past him but it says a lot about him that he dodged the manager that nearly got Ajax to a CL final.

I think it also says a lot about Onana for example.
Let's see how things go if barca go title up, an unlikely scenario though unfortunately, la liga is just so dire nowadays that they should still be able to defend their crown.
 

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I’ve gone past him but it says a lot about him that he dodged the manager that nearly got Ajax to a CL final.
He didnt "dodge him", though, did he? He'd signed for Barcelona and didnt want to move his family again after signing a massive deal. As much as I'd have loved him to spit his dummy out and demand to sign for the club who looked a complete mess some months prior, he did the right thing.
 

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Shit Kobbie Mainoo, he's just a shit Kobbie Mainoo
 

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He didnt "dodge him", though, did he? He'd signed for Barcelona and didnt want to move his family again after signing a massive deal. As much as I'd have loved him to spit his dummy out and demand to sign for the club who looked a complete mess some months prior, he did the right thing.
Fair play - I know nothing about his family.
 

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Let's see how things go if barca go title up, an unlikely scenario though unfortunately, la liga is just so dire nowadays that they should still be able to defend their crown.
Have said it before that the place could be burning to the ground and he would still snub us
 

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Have said it before that the place could be burning to the ground and he would still snub us
He a Barcelona fan. Nothing to do with one been better than the other either.

You could argue Serie A would have been a step up from us in the 90’s but our players stayed loyal too.
 

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Shouldv've really chased harder.. Look at this guy play for Barcelona now.. He is awesome.. Finally free of the Busquets chains and he is their best, most dominant and most important player without a shred of doubt every minute he is on the pitch.. (Hopefully Pedri will join him their on top of the hierarchy soon higher up the pitch)
 

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He never wanted it. Which is a shame.

He could have rivalled Rodri as the best #6 in the league.
 

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Shouldv've really chased harder.. Look at this guy play for Barcelona now.. He is awesome.. Finally free of the Busquets chains and he is their best, most dominant and most important player without a shred of doubt every minute he is on the pitch.. (Hopefully Pedri will join him their on top of the hierarchy soon higher up the pitch)
He never wanted the move,did you forget the small matter of Utd & Barca agreeing fee but he didn't agree personal terms. He doesn't see a world outside of Barca sadly
 
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He called their bluff. Now he’s their most important player and is still on his ridiculous wage.

He absolutely smashed this one out of the park and has made Laporta and Xavi look like complete amateurs.

Fair play to the lad.
 

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He called their bluff. Now he’s their most important player and is still on his ridiculous wage.

He absolutely smashed this one out of the park and has made Laporta and Xavi look like complete amateurs.

Fair play to the lad.
Xavi never wanted him to leave though?
 

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Who is the player with most similar player profile to FDJ, who is obtainable next summer?
 

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Xavi never wanted him to leave though?
He favoured Busquets over him for years and as a result, often played below standards and even got the fanbase against him.
 
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Well one positive is that if he had been available this summer and willing to move, he would play for Chelsea or City. So, at least he didn't make our transfer window more depressing than it is.
 

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Similar in terms of ability to pass steadily and not to loss silly possessions. But Amrabat doesn't have that driving run with the ball like FDJ can do. :(
He kind of does. Not as much as a FDJ. Mainoo also too
 

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He favoured Busquets over him for years and as a result, often played below standards and even got the fanbase against him.
But he never wanted FdJ to leave. He'd always speak glowingly about him and still give him gametime.
 

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I just wanted him here so freaking badly.. He is thé enabler to break the lines from build up.. I love seeing him play now for Barcelona and he will not leave there now anymore.. It just hurts that he ruined 4 years of his carreer besides an untouchable Busquest, witholding him from playing to his worldclass strenghts.. There is just something in me saying it would have been somehow possible last year. But thats just gut feeling.. The facts and reality of how things went suggest otherwise.. Im just still vividly remembering the dream of Frenkie as our Posterboy for the United revival..
 
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