AndySmith1990
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It's positive for his bank account that's it. Don't know why they aren't honest about it instead of coming out with bullshit
I think there’s a difference between being a supporter or the LGBT community and being respectful of it. It’s possible to have different beliefs while still being respectful of other people’s beliefs. However, Henderson was very public about his support of the LGBT community, he was very vocal about wanting to set an example that he’s not only respectful but an ally of the LGBT community. His actions this summer have proven that is not the case though. You cannot claim to be a supporter of the LGBT Community if you are going to work in a country that makes being gay illegal. If he wasn’t so vocal about his support previous he mightn’t be getting the stick he is getting. People don’t like liars and hypocrites and Henderson has made himself look like one.I slightly disagree. For example my wife is a muslim and I respect her beliefs while also being supportive of the LGBTQ+ community as is she. I think it also comes down to how you choose to follow that religion or culture in some aspects. Henderson just doesn't seem to understand what he's saying really, it's like he didn't consult anyone before going into the interview and if he did then he should fire them ASAP.
Those are strong words for a football fan. One of the sporting cultures that notoriously harbors homophobia and racism. I think I'd focus on allowing footballers to feel more comfortable being openly gay first.It’s simply not possible to be an supporter of the LGBTQ+ community if you also respect cultures and religions that make being a member of the LGBTQ+ community punishable by death. You’re either a one or the other, it’s not interchangeable.
It's independent of that, yes football even in the UK has a past of homophobia and racism and still does. There is a little bit of a difference between that and selling out to go play in a league funded by a regime that would put LGBT people to death I would say, especially after being effectively bought out of previous virtue signalling as an ally.Those are strong words for a football fan. One of the sporting cultures that notoriously harbors homophobia and racism. I think I'd focus on allowing footballers to feel more comfortable being openly gay first.
Yeah, but that wasn't the original point. I think you can support LGBTQ+ rights while being respectful of others religions and cultures. Just like you can be religious but support/be respectful of other peoples sexuality and their choices in life that go against your religion.I think there’s a difference between being a supporter or the LGBT community and being respectful of it. It’s possible to have different beliefs while still being respectful of other people’s beliefs. However, Henderson was very public about his support of the LGBT community, he was very vocal about wanting to set an example that he’s not only respectful but an ally of the LGBT community. His actions this summer have proven that is not the case though. You cannot claim to be a supporter of the LGBT Community if you are going to work in a country that makes being gay illegal. If he wasn’t so vocal about his support previous he mightn’t be getting the stick he is getting. People don’t like liars and hypocrites and Henderson has made himself look like one.
Is there anybody who can tell players just to keep their mouth closed. The more they talk the more stupid they look.New interview in the athletic. His take on the LGBTQ+ is a load of bollocks. Just take it on the chin you hypocritical cnut.
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Well unless IRELANDUNITED comes out and says he respects the culture of racism and homophobia among football fans and will refrain from any LGBTQ supportive gestures as to not upset them, I don’t believe this analogy works to be honest.Those are strong words for a football fan. One of the sporting cultures that notoriously harbors homophobia and racism. I think I'd focus on allowing footballers to feel more comfortable being openly gay first.
Why even bother? When he comes out with utter tripe like this how are we supposed to believe a word he saysSaudi move “not money motivated”
I wish one of these players would just come out and say it’s all about the money. Has anyone come out and said that yet. At least it would sound truthful.Some fall from grace, going from Liverpool legend status to a complete sell out who pissed all over a cause which he previously championed and now tearfully explaining that moving to Saudi Arabia isn't about money.
Don't know how he thinks anyone will buy it.
Ighalo, even Spurs LB said it and he said it while playing in PL.I wish one of these players would just come out and say it’s all about the money. Has anyone come out and said that yet. At least it would sound truthful.
Think I saw a quote from someone who explained how much good he could do for his family and home city with the extra money. Forgot who, though.I wish one of these players would just come out and say it’s all about the money. Has anyone come out and said that yet. At least it would sound truthful.
It's not possible to be supportive of the LGBTQ+ community whilst following Islam in the way it's meant to be followed. Islam is pretty explicit in its disapproval of homosexuality, there's no grey area or room for interpretation.I slightly disagree. For example my wife is a muslim and I respect her beliefs while also being supportive of the LGBTQ+ community as is she. I think it also comes down to how you choose to follow that religion or culture in some aspects. Henderson just doesn't seem to understand what he's saying really, it's like he didn't consult anyone before going into the interview and if he did then he should fire them ASAP.
He's clearly not planning on voicing his opinion from within though.So which ones of you who are extremely against Hendo playing in Saudi Arabia, while being a strong LGBTQ supporter, also watched the Qatar world cup?
Why wouldnt a guy who is an actual active advocate for LGBTQ rights playing in a league where he can voice his opinion from within? They dont give two shits what anyone outside of Arabia says.
I and my wife who would call herself a muslim disagree with having to follow Islam in a certain way to be a muslim but that discussion is perhaps for another thread. There are loads of muslims that do not follow Islam to 100% of its interpretation but then there are also disagreements about this interpretation. I don't really like saying you're less of a muslim/christian etc. than the next person because of certain 'grey areas'. I'm pretty sure the Qu'ran doesn't even refer to homosexuality.It's not possible to be supportive of the LGBTQ+ community whilst following Islam in the way it's meant to be followed. Islam is pretty explicit in its disapproval of homosexuality, there's no grey area or room for interpretation.
You might disagree with it but there's millions of Muslims who have a different opinion. You're right that this probably is a conversation for another thread though.I and my wife who would call herself a muslim disagree with having to follow Islam in a certain way to be a muslim but that discussion is perhaps for another thread. There are loads of muslims that do not follow Islam to 100% of its interpretation but then there are also disagreements about this interpretation. I don't really like saying you're less of a muslim/christian etc. than the next person because of certain 'grey areas'. I'm pretty sure the Qu'ran doesn't even refer to homosexuality.
I disagree wholeheartedly with the notions that if you support homosexuality then you're not a muslim or if you're a muslim then you can't support homosexuality.
And there will be millions who also disagree. When there are 1.9 billion people following the same religion, you're not going to have everyone following it in the exact same way.You might disagree with it but there's millions of Muslims who have a different opinion. You're right that this probably is a conversation for another thread though.
Not sure how turning on my TV and watching a game on BBC1 is comparable to receiving hundreds of thousands of pounds per week from a state that criminalises homosexuality.So which ones of you who are extremely against Hendo playing in Saudi Arabia, while being a strong LGBTQ supporter, also watched the Qatar world cup?
I'm pretty sure the number of Muslims who have a negative view of homosexuality is orders of magnitude bigger than the ones who don't have an issue with itAnd there will be millions who also disagree. When there are 1.9 billion people following the same religion, you're not going to have everyone following it in the exact same way.
Neves admitted he only went there for money.I wish one of these players would just come out and say it’s all about the money. Has anyone come out and said that yet. At least it would sound truthful.
In an interview with Al-Hilal, he said: "It was a good project, the club and the league presented a good project.
"My agent spoke to a lot of people involved in the league and it was an easy decision to make.
"I wanted something new for my career, something else for my career.
"When this chance came I spoke with my family and everyone was really happy to come, so it was easy for me.
"The main factor was my family and the chance to give my family the life I have always dreamt of, that was the real reason for me.
"I have three kids and a lovely wife and I need to take care of them, that is a bigger trophy than my career."
Maybe Oscar when going to China?Think I saw a quote from someone who explained how much good he could do for his family and home city with the extra money. Forgot who, though.
He has a point if by "in the way it's meant to be followed" means in the dogmatic, literal way - but you could say the same about christianity in reality. This is semantics and doesn't fundamentally matter - what does matter is that he's gone to a theocracy where the dogmatic interpretation of Islam is the rule of law.I and my wife who would call herself a muslim disagree with having to follow Islam in a certain way to be a muslim but that discussion is perhaps for another thread. There are loads of muslims that do not follow Islam to 100% of its interpretation but then there are also disagreements about this interpretation. I don't really like saying you're less of a muslim/christian etc. than the next person because of certain 'grey areas'. I'm pretty sure the Qu'ran doesn't even refer to homosexuality.
I disagree wholeheartedly with the notions that if you support homosexuality then you're not a muslim or if you're a muslim then you can't support homosexuality.
And you think Jordan will be doing a lot of that while being in the employ of the Saudi government do you?So which ones of you who are extremely against Hendo playing in Saudi Arabia, while being a strong LGBTQ supporter, also watched the Qatar world cup?
Why wouldnt a guy who is an actual active advocate for LGBTQ rights playing in a league where he can voice his opinion from within? They dont give two shits what anyone outside of Arabia says.
It does and it's pretty direct about it as well.I and my wife who would call herself a muslim disagree with having to follow Islam in a certain way to be a muslim but that discussion is perhaps for another thread. There are loads of muslims that do not follow Islam to 100% of its interpretation but then there are also disagreements about this interpretation. I don't really like saying you're less of a muslim/christian etc. than the next person because of certain 'grey areas'. I'm pretty sure the Qu'ran doesn't even refer to homosexuality.
I disagree wholeheartedly with the notions that if you support homosexuality then you're not a muslim or if you're a muslim then you can't support homosexuality.
Depends how you interpret certain parts of it. Some scholars push back against the interpretations given for certain verses.It does and it's pretty direct about it as well.
Don’t really care about Henderson but I didn’t watch a single game.So which ones of you who are extremely against Hendo playing in Saudi Arabia, while being a strong LGBTQ supporter, also watched the Qatar world cup?
Why wouldnt a guy who is an actual active advocate for LGBTQ rights playing in a league where he can voice his opinion from within? They dont give two shits what anyone outside of Arabia says.
Could be him, yeah.Maybe Oscar when going to China?
I agree with your major point but I don't think he was an actual advocate of anything. He seems like a guy who likes to pipe up for stuff when it makes him look good but doesn't cause him any adverse conscequences. I remember his name popping up for a couple of things before as one of the "leaders", one of those who were "speaking up"; I know one was during covid.Sports washing works incredibly well. They turned a person advocating for queer rights into an ambassador for fundamental religious nutjobs.
They're basically torturing the commonly accepted millenia old interpretation of it to fit it into a more modern and setting and so more benefiting of our modern sensibilities.Depends how you interpret certain parts of it. Some scholars push back against the interpretations given for certain verses.
Anyway, I digress. The LGBTQ+ issue in Saudi is more an emalgamation of culture + religion rather than solely a religious issue. Not all majority muslim countries have the same laws as them.
Oh, absolutely agree with that sentiment. But he still made a stance. Whatever the reasons.I agree with your major point but I don't think he was an actual advocate of anything. He seems like a guy who likes to pipe up for stuff when it makes him look good but doesn't cause him any adverse conscequences. I remember his name popping up for a couple of things before as one of the "leaders", one of those who were "speaking up"; I know one was during covid.
I just don't think it's fair to brand someone in that way here.It's independent of that, yes football even in the UK has a past of homophobia and racism and still does. There is a little bit of a difference between that and selling out to go play in a league funded by a regime that would put LGBT people to death I would say, especially after being effectively bought out of previous virtue signalling as an ally.
I'm guessing they're all paid to say this stuff.It's positive for his bank account that's it. Don't know why they aren't honest about it instead of coming out with bullshit