Rumours that the Saudi's are in for him - if true we should be all over that. Would have said so even without this "falling out"
Erik ten Hag vs Sancho
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
What I really don't understand is the loyalty being shown to Sancho.. why is that? What exactly has he done for anyone to deserve such loyalty?
In my opinion, Sancho is simply an underperforming, over-complaining delicate little snowflake brat.
In my opinion, Sancho is simply an underperforming, over-complaining delicate little snowflake brat.
Seems very much like so yes.
It’s not looking good bruv
Yes, quite a lot of people criticising EtH seem to ignore this. And on top of that I would like to add that I feel like these posters are disrespectful to the other players that were picked ahead of Sancho. They demand EtH to lie in Sanchos favour and that would simply mean publicly saying that they are not as good as the fact that they were picked suggests.
Ten Hag going down on hard Sancho?
Well if that doesn't do it for the lad just sell him.
Well if that doesn't do it for the lad just sell him.
He's been on the market all summer. Not a single bid. Looks to me like he's trying to reduce the fee and get a move before all the windows shut.
Such a pointless player. He's definitely at the wrong place. Get rid.
There was nothing disloyal about what Ronaldo said. They didn't even believe Ronaldo when his child was suffering, and that alone is reason enough to speak out. He turned down the chance to win trebles at Man City because of his history at the club, his loyalty and how much the club meant to him
Ronaldo spoke concern about the direction of the club around the decision-making at board level. He spoke out about the poor infrastructure and technology, which we fans complain about alll time when fans visit old trafford and still see damaged roofs and poor training facilities. He spoke out about the mentality of the youth, bravely called out the glazers, that's not what you call self-serving. Self-serving is losing 3-1 to one of our rivals and then instead of accepting responsibility on why your tactics didn't work, decide to throw a 22-year-old player who has a history of mental health under the bus to deflect from the fact we can't win away against a top 9 team in the league. And keep saying the players didn't follow rules and principles like some soulless headmaster
If a player of Ronaldo's calibre and experience says something about football and most importantly, the running of our club, then you listen. You don't ostracise him, turn him into a villain and disrespect him at one of the lowest point in his life when he was dealing with so much family hardship. Sir Alex would never ever have left Ronaldo out of the squad and left him embarrassed on the bench if he missed pre season due to family reasons. He saved us the season before last with the goals he scored. ETH treated him like some youth prospect who needed to prove himself to him. He did all this out of spite and the club suffered as a result as we ended up with Weghorst.
Remember this isn't supposed to be a soulless company, it's a football club....a family club. Ronaldo had no one around to him to support at Manchester United. He spent days eating at the canteen on his own while being treated like a piece of meat. He mentioned how uncomfortable the whole environment was while he was there. Some things are more important than football and that's when managers have to be human beings and show compassion and not be cold clinical task masters.
Just look at what is happening right now to Jadon Sancho and he's now being looked at like a villain like Ronaldo all because of ETH's ego where he thinks he's the new Sir Alex Ferguson just because he lifted the caroboa cup. They are throwing this kid to the wolves all because he stood up for himself for what he felt wasn't true. There's no way you can tell me Sancho has been training any worse than a 36 year old Johnny Evans and not more of use in a big game than Hannibal and Gore
And you can't tell me taking the decision to give Sancho 3 months out not playing football would be of any benefit to any footballer who is trying to find form. The manager is not God and the players are not subservient slaves who don't have any rights to speak when they feel wronged. I had bosses speak crap about my desire and I've stood up to him and challenge on his bullshit in serious fields of work. It's no different in football, keane had many arguments with staff in his playing days it was only when he was completely finished they let him go
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A Saudi team is our only option to move him where we both get a hefty fee and Sancho a big salary, which probably suits both parties. In all other scenarios Sancho has to agree to a substantial wage cut or us on a fee in the region of 20-30 mil. As history shows, players earning big money are not likely to give it up, even if they don't play regularly.
Considering his career, I think he should just move back to Germany where he seemed at his best.
No one is paying him anywhere near that wage - except Saudi. Would be our only hope.
It doesn't seem to be like he wants to move. I wouldn't like to move if I was on his wages. Don't think anyone is matching that.
Not a big fan of the character assassinations in the press with snippets about him being rude with staff etc. If they’re being leaked by someone at the club they need to stop.
Can only pray this happens.
They're not very nice but I guess they're inevitable and almost certainly not some sort of planned retaliation, or deliberate character assassination. Much more likely journalists reaching out to their contacts and trying to cobble together a piece on a topical story. "So what's he like as a person?" "He's nice enough but I do remember this one time he was a bit rude..." etc etc Although I'm sure there are also some players in the squad that nobody would have a bad word about.
It's all getting depressing. Doesn't help that the fans seem to lap this stuff up, nobody really wants to think for themselves either...
Bald pleasureGuy is being labelled rude for being quiet and reserved.
Horrible to see
Horrible to see
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To be honest, bald head is a bit of a weirdo. Sancho looked fit and decent playing through the middle/false 9 in preseason. Season starts and the follicle challenged threw him back wide as a sub. What was the point of- nevermind
Agree
Except the fact he's been under FOUR different managers here.
I mean Sancho is stupid here, but I'm in the camp where if an employee fecks up, part of the blame is on the manager, because he's the leader of the team.
Ten Hag got paid handsomely to manage his players, including Sancho. He needs to know how to handle different kind of personality.
Also, if Sancho can't be managed, he should've known about this after spending a season with him. Sell him this summer instead of letting the situation rot and this happened after the transfer windows close.
Exactly. Furthermore I don't recall Rashford whining on social media when he was benched for being late in training. He owned it and went on to deliver. Sancho is clearly lacking this level of intelligence. Get rid.
Need to take advantage of that. I was desperate to get him and for him to succeed here but it's been a disaster. Best just to move on now.
Hear me out. It's just a rumor but still it has some legs on it.
So apparently, all Man United big earners will be forced out of the club when any legitimate opportunity occurs. Rumor has it ETH with the blessings of the club should clean up the clubs wage structure systematically and ruthlessly.
From Ronaldo, De Gea, Now Sancho, next will be Varane
As it stands Sancho is the highest earner in the club yet we all agree he doesn't have 1 game he had a world class performance. Sancho will try to protect his daily bread by saying he's a scapegoat, but scapegoat to what? Top earners who don't perform regularly? Maybe.
What are the 'other matters' Sancho talked about that he said he won't talk about regarding not playing? His he being shown the door through constructive dismissal.
As a United for the last 25 years, having watched 99% of our games in the last 25 years, I can say manager is doing the 'good donkey work'. We need to move away from all these pseudo high caliber footballers. Players who ask for huge some of money while deliver nothing in return.
Ronaldo went to Saudi.
De Gea has no club to date.
Sancho will also fall in to oblivion after united because he's not as good as he thinks.
Yet all of them took over 1m in a week as salaries.
The end for Sancho is imminent as maguire departure.
So apparently, all Man United big earners will be forced out of the club when any legitimate opportunity occurs. Rumor has it ETH with the blessings of the club should clean up the clubs wage structure systematically and ruthlessly.
From Ronaldo, De Gea, Now Sancho, next will be Varane
As it stands Sancho is the highest earner in the club yet we all agree he doesn't have 1 game he had a world class performance. Sancho will try to protect his daily bread by saying he's a scapegoat, but scapegoat to what? Top earners who don't perform regularly? Maybe.
What are the 'other matters' Sancho talked about that he said he won't talk about regarding not playing? His he being shown the door through constructive dismissal.
As a United for the last 25 years, having watched 99% of our games in the last 25 years, I can say manager is doing the 'good donkey work'. We need to move away from all these pseudo high caliber footballers. Players who ask for huge some of money while deliver nothing in return.
Ronaldo went to Saudi.
De Gea has no club to date.
Sancho will also fall in to oblivion after united because he's not as good as he thinks.
Yet all of them took over 1m in a week as salaries.
The end for Sancho is imminent as maguire departure.
The Saudis are
To an extent it is pertinent : You could see how a shy or aloof personality fits in the picture of motivation / discipline issues.
I'd probably hate if it was thrown out as the sole salient point by people at work that never made any effort to engage with me though.
All the leaks and "sources say" stuff coming out reflects worse on the club than Sancho for me. Making it sound like his attitude problems are an open secret in football yet we still chased him for a year and signed him for big money.
Sorry, but those comments are just bonkers, and really beyond comment.
If he's got that tweet pinned he's an idiot or he's already checked out. There's no way he's winning this one. I'd say he's gone as soon as the club can get rid unless he goes through an embarrassing climb-down.
It's another disgusting example of the gutter press, and if it was a leak from the club purposefully, then it would be very grubby.
Sancho can be criticised without his character being picked apart online. You're allowed to be quiet and shy. In fact, I'm not a fan of the tone of this thread in general, really. Everyone seems happy to call his character into question, whilst knowing very little about it.
You mentioned " He's been on the market all summer. " and now you claim Saudis are matching his salary. It's possible but I think we'd sell him in that scenario a while ago.
Have we dropped our fee demands? I see that unlikely because we're man down in situation we really don't know if we have Antony/Amad.
Oh I mostly agree. Even if he is, that's not really conclusive. He performed in the past, so there's obviously ways to motivate or put him in the right state of mind.
Yep, I could just about deal with the incessant negative but all the fans getting whipped up by media and unwittingly weaponised against their own club is proper disheartening....
I don't think it's necessarily a getting rid of high earners thing. It's more getting rid of players who's performances don't match the remuneration they receive. If Sancho was Rashfords level good, nobody would try to get rid of him.
As for Varane, I do think this will be his last season here, mainly due to injuries.
Didn't realise he'd pinned it fecking hell
Sadly it looks like the best way to do that is at first getting him far away from Manchester.
So now we’re at the stage of posting “my uncle works at Nintendo” type of “rumors”? fecking hell.
I bet this whole thing was conjured in the 10 seconds that took to come up with the “ETH with the blessings of the club should clean up the clubs wage structure systematically and ruthlessly” sentence that preceded the rest of the fanfiction. Did you come up with this “rumor” by any chance?
It reads as though someone looked at United and got “20” out of “1+1”, the same way people get “dinosaurs in venus” out of it being “covered in a dense layer of clouds”. Ronaldo was a bozo and couldn’t handle not being first choice, De Gea was long past his expiration date.
Sancho will be fine after United if he does indeed leave United. He was one of the most productive players in his position in europe before coming here and he’s only 23. Things haven’t played out how we’d hope but there’s no need to fantasise about the doom of a young players career all because it didn’t pan out at United. If anything United is becoming a black hole for promising careers.
Well he might have been ‘above’ Saudi Arabia before the summer and his outburst lowers his fee. If his agent is actively trying to sell him to a Saudi club he will move there before the window shuts.
There's no point in a loan. We don't have Greenwood and potentially might not have Antony soon either.
It's either a sale so we can sign someone in January or we keep him for atleast this season.
Loan just kicks the can down the road and he'll be worth less in a transfer in a years time. Hopefully we've learnt something now and it's a sale or keep.
It's either a sale so we can sign someone in January or we keep him for atleast this season.
Loan just kicks the can down the road and he'll be worth less in a transfer in a years time. Hopefully we've learnt something now and it's a sale or keep.
What an load of absolute drivel.