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No he won’t.If he aint finished ETH will be gone by December
No he won’t.If he aint finished ETH will be gone by December
So the club will take a decision and then sack ETH based on the decision they make?If he aint finished ETH will be gone by December
Wishful thinking.The silver lining to all this chaos is that the Glazers might be forced to sell if we end up having a bad season.
He doesn't have a record does he? Sounds like the May 2022 complaint didn't go anywhere and is only resurfacing now given the recent allegation. Not even sure clubs can do CRB checks on players. When I had to go to court about something years back I sure as hell didn't tell my employer and they never found out.Club is also to blame in my opinion. I would have thought that one of the things the club should do before signing any player is to check their criminal records.
Yes antony would have video called eth first and said hey boss I am going to beat this women and eth would have given a go ahead.
simple background check would have uncover thisSo there was a report to the police of violence against a woman back in May of 2022 before we bought him.
We really are digging ourselves into a deep hole with our lack of vetting.
I find it hard to believe that a billion dollar business like United does not have the resources to find out if a prospective player have a complaint against him or not. I mean, these journalists can uncovered it, so I'm pretty sure United can do it too if they put time and effort into it.He doesn't have a record does he? Sounds like the May 2022 complaint didn't go anywhere and is only resurfacing now given the recent allegation. Not even sure clubs can do CRB checks on players. When I had to go to court about something years back I sure as hell didn't tell my employer and they never found out.
The case against Antony already looked pretty ominous before these fresh allegations, but arguably only better player recruitment, ie not ridiculously overpaying for him and buying a superior player, would've enabled us to avoid this scenario. Not sure it was a due diligence fail per se.
It is hard to believe that his own manager (ETH) does not know about this, either. Nobody in Ajax knew anything about this?I find it hard to believe that a billion dollar business like United does not have the resources to find out if a prospective player have a complaint against him or not. I mean, these journalists can uncovered it, so I'm pretty sure United can do it too if they put time and effort into it.
Managers don’t spend 24 h every day with players. Also some people are slightly or even completely different in private than at work. So if the allegations are true it is entirely possible that ETH didn’t know about this.It is hard to believe that his own manager (ETH) does not know about this, either. Nobody in Ajax knew anything about this?
Of course not. But they eat together, they travel together, they spend a lot of time together, they try to bond. And it is hard to believe that nobody, absolutely nobody in Ajax knew anything about this. And it is even harder to believe that someone in Ajax knew about it but they did not tell the manager.Managers don’t spend 24 h every day with players. Also some people are slightly or even completely different in private than at work. So if the allegations are true it is entirely possible that ETH didn’t know about this.
I've no idea, but not sure a two year old claim in Brazil that hasn't resulted in charges would flag up. I highly doubt they can do Interpol or FBI level checks on players.I find it hard to believe that a billion dollar business like United does not have the resources to find out if a prospective player have a complaint against him or not. I mean, these journalists can uncovered it, so I'm pretty sure United can do it too if they put time and effort into it.
Either way, it's symbolic of how much money we've wasted post-SAF.If we are going to loss Antony and Sancho, we can always play Diallo and Pellistri, or even Bruno or Mount on the right. I don't think we would be seriously weaken.
He'd have been his manager at the time or perhaps it happened just before the player signed for Ajax, It's very hard to believe he wouldn't know about this IMO. He's aware and either believes the player is innocent or is more focused on what they contribute on the pitch. I reckon he's culpable.Managers don’t spend 24 h every day with players. Also some people are slightly or even completely different in private than at work. So if the allegations are true it is entirely possible that ETH didn’t know about this.
I think if there is no arrest or charge/conviction, then nothing will turn up in a background check, in the matter related to the Banker (Ingrid Lana) she did a TV interview and spoke about the incident and there is no police report made here, as for the case from Rayssa de Freitas, there is only a police report in Brazil, nothing else as in arrest or charge/conviction so the club would not have known about this, and no journalist uncovered this since it is Rayssa herself who went public, as is with Ingrid.I find it hard to believe that a billion dollar business like United does not have the resources to find out if a prospective player have a complaint against him or not. I mean, these journalists can uncovered it, so I'm pretty sure United can do it too if they put time and effort into it.
Considering the amount of money being invested in these players, I always thought this is standard procedure!So it is unreasonable to expect the club to have prior knowledge of this, unless you want the club to assume it is the case with any new player they want to sign and dig around to see if there is issues with the said player.
It’s not “evidence”, it’s accusations. There’s a big difference.Has to be binned like Greenwood. A similar amount of evidence is coming out.
Anyway this club is an absolute house on fire.
It's completely fecked.
Clearly the people running it have no idea what they are doing. Wonder how much ETH knew about his anger problems.....
Complete agree it’s unreasonable for the club to have any prior knowledge of anything that’s not been reported.So it is unreasonable to expect the club to have prior knowledge of this, unless you want the club to assume it is the case with any new player they want to sign and dig around to see if there is issues with the said player.
Just goes to show how poorly run we are. £160m worth of wingers will hardly be missed just tells you everything you need to know about our recruitmentIf we are going to loss Antony and Sancho, we can always play Diallo and Pellistri, or even Bruno or Mount on the right. I don't think we would be seriously weaken.
The complaint happened in May 2022, is it... The very tail end of that season and both ten Hag and Antony were within a few months at MUFC. If what you say is true (and I see how in a football team dynamics, it might), it's much more likely it might have happened here than there, all the more so since the alleged incidents didn't stop.Of course not. But they eat together, they travel together, they spend a lot of time together, they try to bond. And it is hard to believe that nobody, absolutely nobody in Ajax knew anything about this. And it is even harder to believe that someone in Ajax knew about it but they did not tell the manager.
Edit: On second thought, if I was the manager, I'd be very upset if the player himself did not come and tell me about it. It's better for the player to inform the manager, than the manager to find out about it from the press. If the player does not do that, then the manager cannot trust this player.
Amad isn't going to be ready until December apparently, he's had surgery on his knee.Amad will be ahead of them both for RW.
I think if it wasn't for the Greenwood situation, we wouldn't be questioning whether or not the club should have known pre-signing him. Ajax didn't know and we're happy to keep him until we came in with mega money.Considering the amount of money being invested in these players, I always thought this is standard procedure!
fecking hellNice to see my comment winding you up to this degree.
Only if it's assumed to be credible? Quite a few processes to go through before testimony is used as evidence in trial.Testimony is evidence.
Why do you think that?If he aint finished ETH will be gone by December
Will it be evidence if it will be brought up in court or its just social media witch hunt altogether?It’s not “evidence”, it’s accusations. There’s a big difference.
a bit like SAF and Giggs?Of course not. But they eat together, they travel together, they spend a lot of time together, they try to bond. And it is hard to believe that nobody, absolutely nobody in Ajax knew anything about this. And it is even harder to believe that someone in Ajax knew about it but they did not tell the manager.
Edit: On second thought, if I was the manager, I'd be very upset if the player himself did not come and tell me about it. It's better for the player to inform the manager, than the manager to find out about it from the press. If the player does not do that, then the manager cannot trust this player.
Greenwood was suspended after he was arrested, right?We should go back to the basic principle of innocent until proven guilty here or some other sort of reasonable balance. Let Antony go through the investigation process and if the authorities charge him, the club should suspend him (if permitted by contract) pending a conviction/acquittal. If mere allegations are enough to require clubs to suspend their players, then might there be a floodgate of easy suspensions just because allegations are made against players of other clubs?
I am not sure of the exact facts. Was he?Greenwood was suspended after he was arrested, right?
Just seen it. Yes, he was suspended after he was arrested so I think the club wont act if and when the same thing happens with Antony.I am not sure of the exact facts. Was he?
So the club should have known about this how?Third woman coming forward now. He needs to be suspended. Good job to the club and everyone involved!