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Antony under investigation by Brazilian authorities for domestic abuse | Back in the squad
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And in the abscence of Greenwood giving an explanation (or even if he does) we are more than entitled to have the opinion that his disgraceful conduct is more than enough reason to get him as far away from the club as possible. A criminal conviction is far from the only consideration.
Mark Twain — 'If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything.'
Was his mistress an ex-mistress during the time this happened? Or they were still together.
So many drama at this club, now my head mixing stuff together.
Ive replied to someone about one point but wasnt clear about it unfortunately.
Guilty or innocent there will always be a bad side to however they react. Im not making excuses for them, I guess my point which i never really made was I have no idea how they should react if innocent or guilty. Clumsy at my end.
Indeed, of course it’s their right, if that’s genuinely how they want to spend their limited time on this planet then that’s their call.
But if so, at least be consistent in it - there should be no difference in Ronaldo, Nicky Butt, RvP, Greenwood, Giggs, Antony etc.
That’s another danger when people are respecting the word of media / social media more so than the word of law - they are then almost guaranteed to receive a biased, degraded, agenda fuelled stream of info, rather than an objective one.
React all you like - but please be consistent right across the board.
I reckon you’ll find most footballers are like that? It’s the god complex! I’ve known players in league 1 act like how he comes across. Strange bunch footballers!
Ryan Giggs, Neymar Jr, Raheem Sterling, David De Gea
Of course there should. They're different situations with different circumstances and different information available to the public. It would be utterly bizarre to unthinkingly apply the same blanket opinion and reaction across the board. In some of the cases you mention they're not even accused of the same crimes as one another.
In the Greenwood case for example, the audio and images that were made public are far more compelling than the evidence the public hears in 99.9% of sexual assault allegations. There would be something wrong with you if that didn't factor into your opinion.
Don't think the interview helps his case at all. Apart from the fact that he admitted to cheating n his wife so easily, which doesn't help his image, he actually admitted that all the incidents mentioned in the allegations did take place, but it wasn't his fault. The fight took place but he was just holding her because she was the one throwing stuff. Her finger did break but she caused it. Her breast implants needed fixing because she fell in the bathroom, and she was the one going crazy in the car.
Considering that we know from watching him play that he has a short fuse, and the fact that other women came out with more allegations. You have to be really naive to believe this is a conspiracy against him.
Considering that we know from watching him play that he has a short fuse, and the fact that other women came out with more allegations. You have to be really naive to believe this is a conspiracy against him.
Haven’t read the rest but I don’t see the issue with that specific quote?
I mean it does help if he is telling the truth. If she’s twisted every incident to portray him as an abuser then of course he should come out clearing the air. Footballers being scum bags as someone mentioned or loose cannons isn’t an issue for the club, we’ve had tons of those the fans have celebrated. It’s whether he’s a criminal and unlike Greenwood he seems to be standing his ground so let’s see how this goes
If he has any evidence that shows she's lied at any point then he pretty much has to put it in the public domain.
Having seen what happened to Greenwood when you leave the media and twitter to dictate the narrative. Most likely outcomes from the police investigations are long, long waits and nothing much at the end of them, either a charge and bail and another year waiting for prosecutions to try to put together a case, or they drop it and say 'insufficient evidence to take it further', which wouldnt to appease the court of twitter.
Having seen what happened to Greenwood when you leave the media and twitter to dictate the narrative. Most likely outcomes from the police investigations are long, long waits and nothing much at the end of them, either a charge and bail and another year waiting for prosecutions to try to put together a case, or they drop it and say 'insufficient evidence to take it further', which wouldnt to appease the court of twitter.
There is definitely a victim. Whether it’s Antony or the 4 accusers time will tell.
I can’t find if he addressed the other accusers or just the one. interested to see what he has to say about there being multiple allegations from different people.
I can’t find if he addressed the other accusers or just the one. interested to see what he has to say about there being multiple allegations from different people.
He looked genuinely sad. Must be innocent. It is obvious as per caf standards.
As long as you have sex outside marriage, you are at risk of such things happening. Newly rich, young, footballers with huge egos who love the nightlife are therefore going to be always at risk of being sought after by certain women (clubbing etc) and thereafter being caught up in such allegations. I think that's why Sir Alex always looked for potential footballers to sign based on having a stable relationship. That said, when you have multiple allegations like Antony, you are toast and rightly so. If he wasn't a rich footballer, this would never have been a story. Such is fame and fortune.
I think that's a bit of a generalisation. But I agree with all your other points.
He's a wrong-un for cheating on his wife. She's a wrong-un for hooking up with him knowing that he's married.
My spidey sense is telling me this is a pair of immature knobs acting like knobs to each other rather than a domestic violence issue.
My spidey sense is telling me this is a pair of immature knobs acting like knobs to each other rather than a domestic violence issue.
Antony is demonstrating the poor and erratic decision-making that are consistent with his on pitch antics(kicking and lashing out at players in front of the camera's live on tv) and off pitch accusations + allegations. The interview is a bad idea everything he has said will be used against him and his side of the story only covers his episodes with one of the woman. The 2 other woman will be coming forward.
It appears that many are above domestic abuse or sexual assault. So many get away with it.
Either there is a coordinated campaign from women to get footballers done for rape/sexual assault (with many of them failing) or the justice system is completely fu**ed. The sheer amount of these cases that don't go anywhere suggests to me its probably the later.
Not saying Antony is guilty at this stage but there is also no evidence to suggest that the accusers are lying.
Sounds dodgy to me. I’m sure the players in this forum have all been there before.
What??? There is NO evidence?? The case he gave as an example literally had tonnes of evidence suggesting the numerous women conspired to accuse someone of rape.
Final point having read the Guardian's summation of the new 'victim' - the third one sounds like she wasn't really his gf at all? Got in a car with the Antony and his then GF, claims the GF abused her while Antony was driving then he did something too, and she hopped out at the next light.
Not quite sure how to read that one, but certainly isn't like the other two accusations of DV.
This is all such a mess. I know the guardian are the holier-than-thou paper of choice, but the entire Manchester Untied section is currently related to Greenwood, Antony and Konopka.
Not quite sure how to read that one, but certainly isn't like the other two accusations of DV.
This is all such a mess. I know the guardian are the holier-than-thou paper of choice, but the entire Manchester Untied section is currently related to Greenwood, Antony and Konopka.
I'm very consistent in who I consider a scumbag.
It isn't looking good for Anthony but I don't think the club would be at the stage where he should/will be suspended, unless they know more that means he should.
Greenwood's behaviour was beyond the pale no matter that the charges were withdrawn due to the complainant stopping cooperating with the prosecution.
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I love this. You are 100% convinced that he abused her. The victim managed to forgive him and get on with life, but you can’t.
If he is innocent the interview is the right idea. If he doesn't come out and clear his name, he will be tried in the court of public opinion. I think in light of how these cases have played out in the past, he is doing the right thing if he is innocent.
And you're basing this on what exactly?
I've tried to keep out of this thread as much as possible as it's just more negativity associated with the club but if the allegations are true then obviously Antony should face the consequences of his actions. However if the woman is found to have made up the allegations I feel she should have to serve the same sentence as Antony would have got it they were true.
Wait is he saying she told him he's a crap footballer?
It's turned into a soap opera by the ridiculous debate fuelling it. Like yours above.
People don't think they are owed anything. They are entitled hold an opinion on the information at hand.
Telling other people what they and what are entitled to think is the lifeblood of the soap opera element of this whole thing at this point.
Yeah the more that comes out about this the more this is my feeling as well.
What has forgiveness got to do with it? He is a scumbag. Nothing that has happened mitigates his behaviour. There is no plausible context where the contents of that recording is anything other than despicable. He hasn't even admitted his behaviour much less shown any regret or contrition. People who treat women like that rarely change so forgive me for continuing to think he is a scumbag.
And if you think victims of DV going back to their abusers is unusual you probably need to do a bit more research.
Any idea how long a case like this would take to get resolved? ie either thrown out or he gets arrested?
And again you are fuelling the soap opera by just failing to understand people have a different opinion, implying it might not be genuine or consistent.
This is not about the word of the media, it's what people saw.
This failure to appreciate that is perpetuating the soap opera you said you don't like. Just stop blurrng the facts and telling people what they think or why they think it.
Guardian sank down to the gutter with the rest long ago because it’s where the money is.
No, I'm guessing he's 100% convinced he didn't like what he saw and in the absence of any qualification, that's what remains. Also it's not for us at this distance to judge or forgive in any real sense. We just process the data we have.
You've done that and decided the biggest factor is them back together. I disagree but that's OK. Neither of us have any proof, but we don't have proof for a lot of what we think. We are guided by personal perspective.
These were all different cases, with different evidence available so different opinions were formed, that is consistent. If the above were treated the same, that would be inconsistent
Come on we know nothing of the sort, if that's the case then Keane should be in jail for murder.
This is becoming tedious.
The nature of the sport as business means it relies on the media. And feeds it. And has huge media teams to use the media.
If you can't control the narrative your 'brand' gets tarnished and your business suffers. What the poster is saying is that in this context maybe a suspension is the wise move.
The media is powerful and a huge part of the business model. That's a double edged sword.
Personally, as, long as it's he said / she said I'd back the player until I couldn't.
I thought when the Brazilian FA suspended him there was a bit more to come out.
That's the thing for me. I know it's not really fair to think like this, but when you see what sort of person he is on the pitch, you find it really difficult to believe he remained calm or didn't speak, like he claims, in some of those situations.