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I don't understand the discussion about "double standards" and comparisons with other players in other teams. If some players in other teams have done similar or worse things, does this make our players' behaviour better?

It is like telling you "Maguire made a lot of mistakes in the past two years", and someone replies "Yeah, but VVD also made a lot of mistakes and you didn't say anything!".
 

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As I understand it, it’s not been framed as a suspension - it’s been carefully worded and managed as a mutual agreement to step aside while the investigation runs its course. Seems the best solution for all involved.
I mean that's what a suspension is the only difference here is they've framed it as mutual to minimise bad publicity for Antony. Seems like a smart move to me.
 

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I don't understand the discussion about "double standards" and comparisons with other players in other teams. If some players in other teams have done similar or worse things, does this make our players' behaviour better?

It is like telling you "Maguire made a lot of mistakes in the past two years", and someone replies "Yeah, but VVD also made a lot of mistakes and you didn't say anything!".
It is nothing like that at all. This is law, order and conduct. The law should apply to all and there is a system in place to investigate, charge or no charge, guilty or not guilty.

If there is no case/charges dropped or found not guilty, then people have a right to continue with their lives.

If there are serious allegations made with a base to them, then everyone should face the same scrutiny, regardless of fanbase, prestige of club etc..
 

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The law should apply to all and there is a system in place to investigate, charge or no charge, guilty or not guilty.

If there is no case/charges dropped or found not guilty, then people have a right to continue with their lives.

If there are serious allegations made with a base to them, then everyone should face the same scrutiny, regardless of fanbase, prestige of club etc..
Surely nobody disagrees with this?

What exactly is the problem? Where is there a double standard?
 

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If there's anything the #metoo campaign taught me, it's that women will lie and exaggerate for the attention and power that comes with the coveted "victimhood status".

We live in a time where anytime a man sticks his head out, and does something spectacular with his life, there's always some toxic ex (or current) girlfriend/encounter ready to take him down under the banner of #BelieveAllWomen.

I'm not buying it, and I'm not buying the Greenwood ordeal either. And as for the Giggs case, that's entirely between him, his wife, and his brother. For all we know, his wife didn't feck him, and his brother didn't feck his wife.

Go ahead and ban me. Had it with this emasculated, woke shit show of a football forum anyways.
Exactly.

It's all black and white for the people here, social justice keyboard warriors, self-righteous pricks.

When someone said even remotely offers an opinion that even remotely hints at giving Greenwood, Antony the benefit of the doubt, or innocent until proven guilty, all these self-righteous opinionated clowns who can't fecking think for themselves immediately swarmed your post with "Oh you must hate women", "what went wrong with you", "how dare you voice support for a rapist/abuser", blab blab, fecking blab.

The forum is now a cesspit of social justice warriors, cancel culture woke pricks, Cristiano Ronaldo fanboys who post agenda-driven bullshit to shit on ETH (Tsuwave, mitchmouse, etc) and negative fans who love to shit on every single thing the club did.

I joined the forum back 20+ years ago in 2002. The drop in quality is alarming and ridiculous. I can't even finish a single thread on man std forum these days because there are so much fecking drivel and rubbish being posted everyday. Mods opting to issue warnings for using words like "abortion" or "crap", instead of doing proper quality control.

And people here were laughing at other forums. Take a look good at a mirror seriously.
 

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I don't live in the UK. Could someone who does please explain to me who is Rachel Riley and why is she being allowed to pick our line-up?
 

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Wait, how do you know that? I thought banned posters had a "Banned" tagline - is that not the case anymore?
He stopped replying, despite writing
one reply to defend his post. When I clicked on his profile it says “can’t access”. Might be because I’m a newbie, but if I click on your profile it gives me your name, dob, and banking details
 

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Nothing here to convince me he’s innocent. There’s no mention of the other two accusers. It’s easy to shed tears when under pressure, especially knowing everything is on the line.
This. It's amazing how shedding a few tears convinces people he is completely innocent. If one of his accusers goes on TV detailing the abuse and crying, would you believe them as much?

Leave it to the legal processes and forget about him.
 

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Wait, how do you know that? I thought banned posters had a "Banned" tagline - is that not the case anymore?
Does seem now that banned posters don’t have anything to indicate they’re banned, which is confusing when replying to their post not knowing they‘re a dead parrot, extinct, gone, no more….
 

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I'm not buying it, and I'm not buying the Greenwood ordeal either. And as for the Giggs case, that's entirely between him, his wife, and his brother. For all we know, his wife didn't feck him, and his brother didn't feck his wife.
Just want to pop in.
Giggs was arrested in another case, not this one. His gf (and her friend) was found lying about DV. This forum didn't allow the case to be discussed whilst being on trial, I had to read it from twitter of all places.
 
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Does seem now that banned posters don’t have anything to indicate they’re banned, which is confusing when replying to their post not knowing they‘re a dead parrot, extinct, gone, no more….
If you or I got banned it would say "New Member" where our tagline is, but we wouldn't have the "Newbie" banner.
 

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Wait, how do you know that? I thought banned posters had a "Banned" tagline - is that not the case anymore?
I'd be very surprised if he was banned for that, last I checked a wrong or unpopular opinion still isn't against the rules.
 

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It is nothing like that at all. This is law, order and conduct. The law should apply to all and there is a system in place to investigate, charge or no charge, guilty or not guilty.

If there is no case/charges dropped or found not guilty, then people have a right to continue with their lives.

If there are serious allegations made with a base to them, then everyone should face the same scrutiny, regardless of fanbase, prestige of club etc..
But the law applies to all. Here we are not a court of law, we are a discussion group. I don't know why some people confuse this, it is really simple.
 

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Wait, how do you know that? I thought banned posters had a "Banned" tagline - is that not the case anymore?
Does seem now that banned posters don’t have anything to indicate they’re banned, which is confusing when replying to their post not knowing they‘re a dead parrot, extinct, gone, no more….
Banned users will have "New Member" as tagline, unless you have a custom one, though this guy was a newbie so he had that anyway. If it's a permanent ban then the profile will become unavailable, though that message can be because of privacy settings (like mine) so it's not foolproof.

You can also use the search function to check, if you go to the 'member' field and type in a username, permanently banned users won't pop up.
 

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I'd be very surprised if he was banned for that, last I checked a wrong or unpopular opinion still isn't against the rules.
He pretty much begged to be banned, so why not grant him his wish?

Better for all involved, I should think.
 

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Banned users will have "New Member" as tagline, unless you have a custom one, though this guy was a newbie so he had that anyway. If it's a permanent ban then the profile will become unavailable, though that message can be because of privacy settings (like mine) so it's not foolproof.

You can also use the search function to check, if you go to the 'member' field and type in a username, permanently banned users won't pop up.
Wonder the reasoning as to why the ‘Banned‘ tag was removed?
 

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Exactly.

It's all black and white for the people here, social justice keyboard warriors, self-righteous pricks.

When someone said even remotely offers an opinion that even remotely hints at giving Greenwood, Antony the benefit of the doubt, or innocent until proven guilty, all these self-righteous opinionated clowns who can't fecking think for themselves immediately swarmed your post with "Oh you must hate women", "what went wrong with you", "how dare you voice support for a rapist/abuser", blab blab, fecking blab.

The forum is now a cesspit of social justice warriors, cancel culture woke pricks, Cristiano Ronaldo fanboys who post agenda-driven bullshit to shit on ETH (Tsuwave, mitchmouse, etc) and negative fans who love to shit on every single thing the club did.

I joined the forum back 20+ years ago in 2002. The drop in quality is alarming and ridiculous. I can't even finish a single thread on man std forum these days because there are so much fecking drivel and rubbish being posted everyday. Mods opting to issue warnings for using words like "abortion" or "crap", instead of doing proper quality control.

And people here were laughing at other forums. Take a look good at a mirror seriously.
So what is your opinion about equity? There are no issues? No systematic discrimination of racialized groups and women and gays/lesbians etc.? No need for social justice action? Or there is but it just shouldn't be discussed or otherwise visible? Cause you seem to just dismiss the relevance of anything and everything.

You also generalize an entire forum population while in practice there are dozens upon dozens (upons dozen upon dozens) of pages of discussion on any of these topics. Not quite a woke dictatorship.

I agree on the negativity and agenda posting in the football forums though. It's irrational and exhausting.
 

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Exactly.

It's all black and white for the people here, social justice keyboard warriors, self-righteous pricks.

When someone said even remotely offers an opinion that even remotely hints at giving Greenwood, Antony the benefit of the doubt, or innocent until proven guilty, all these self-righteous opinionated clowns who can't fecking think for themselves immediately swarmed your post with "Oh you must hate women", "what went wrong with you", "how dare you voice support for a rapist/abuser", blab blab, fecking blab.

The forum is now a cesspit of social justice warriors, cancel culture woke pricks, Cristiano Ronaldo fanboys who post agenda-driven bullshit to shit on ETH (Tsuwave, mitchmouse, etc) and negative fans who love to shit on every single thing the club did.

I joined the forum back 20+ years ago in 2002. The drop in quality is alarming and ridiculous. I can't even finish a single thread on man std forum these days because there are so much fecking drivel and rubbish being posted everyday. Mods opting to issue warnings for using words like "abortion" or "crap", instead of doing proper quality control.

And people here were laughing at other forums. Take a look good at a mirror seriously.
Imagine agreeing with the worst opinion. Maybe you agree with opinions from 20 years ago because you're stuck in the past?
 

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We live in a time where anytime a man sticks his head out, and does something spectacular with his life, there's always some toxic ex (or current) girlfriend/encounter ready to take him down under the banner of #BelieveAllWomen.
Yup, it sucks big time. No successfull men left. All been taken down by jealous ”victim status wanting” women who now rules the world. Its a damn shame.
 

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I don't live in the UK. Could someone who does please explain to me who is Rachel Riley and why is she being allowed to pick our line-up?
She's an all-seeing, all-knowing demigod whose powers are unrivaled in this realm. Also she supports United and is fit.
 

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Exactly.

It's all black and white for the people here, social justice keyboard warriors, self-righteous pricks.

When someone said even remotely offers an opinion that even remotely hints at giving Greenwood, Antony the benefit of the doubt, or innocent until proven guilty, all these self-righteous opinionated clowns who can't fecking think for themselves immediately swarmed your post with "Oh you must hate women", "what went wrong with you", "how dare you voice support for a rapist/abuser", blab blab, fecking blab.

The forum is now a cesspit of social justice warriors, cancel culture woke pricks, Cristiano Ronaldo fanboys who post agenda-driven bullshit to shit on ETH (Tsuwave, mitchmouse, etc) and negative fans who love to shit on every single thing the club did.

The drop in quality is alarming and ridiculous. I can't even finish a single thread on man std forum these days because there are so much fecking drivel and rubbish being posted everyday. Mods opting to issue warnings for using words like "abortion" or "crap", instead of doing proper quality control.

And people here were laughing at other forums. Take a look good at a mirror seriously.
Totally agree!

After reading this site almost daily for 21 years some of the threads is starting to get unbearable, similar to some of the propaganda you see on Netflix. It’s like we have a bunch of clones of Alissa Heinerscheid patrolling the threads.
 

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Hilarious that we actually have members using woke as a slur in a serious non-ironic manner.
 

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Totally agree!

After reading this site almost daily for 21 years some of the threads is starting to get unbearable, similar to some of the propaganda you see on Netflix. It’s like we have a bunch of clones of Alissa Heinerscheid patrolling the threads.
The person you're agreeing with, while complaining about "black and white", is endorsing a comment about how every single successful man will get falsely accused, categorically stating that both Antony and Greenwood are innocent, and is talking about "this emasculated, woke shit show of a football forum".

In response to one of the most insane comments written on Redcafe, you agree and bring up... someone at Bud Light?
 

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The person you're agreeing with, while complaining about "black and white", is endorsing a comment about how every single successful man will get falsely accused, categorically stating that both Antony and Greenwood are innocent, and is talking about "this emasculated, woke shit show of a football forum".

In response to one of the most insane comments written on Redcafe, you agree and bring up... someone at Bud Light?
Read his tagline
 

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If there's anything the #metoo campaign taught me, it's that women will lie and exaggerate for the attention and power that comes with the coveted "victimhood status".

We live in a time where anytime a man sticks his head out, and does something spectacular with his life, there's always some toxic ex (or current) girlfriend/encounter ready to take him down under the banner of #BelieveAllWomen.

I'm not buying it, and I'm not buying the Greenwood ordeal either. And as for the Giggs case, that's entirely between him, his wife, and his brother. For all we know, his wife didn't feck him, and his brother didn't feck his wife.

Go ahead and ban me. Had it with this emasculated, woke shit show of a football forum anyways.
MattyLT died for us all :angel:
 

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I hope Rachel Riley is the judge for the trial. She’s clearly the most qualified to pass judgement on these matters.
She absolutely is not. This should be left for club and the authorities to deal with. If Anthony is cleared and the correct steps are taken, then it can resolved.

If the ownership issues are resolved, then new authoritative leadership can resolve both Greenwood and Anthony situations.
 

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Exactly.

It's all black and white for the people here, social justice keyboard warriors, self-righteous pricks.

When someone said even remotely offers an opinion that even remotely hints at giving Greenwood, Antony the benefit of the doubt, or innocent until proven guilty, all these self-righteous opinionated clowns who can't fecking think for themselves immediately swarmed your post with "Oh you must hate women", "what went wrong with you", "how dare you voice support for a rapist/abuser", blab blab, fecking blab.

The forum is now a cesspit of social justice warriors, cancel culture woke pricks, Cristiano Ronaldo fanboys who post agenda-driven bullshit to shit on ETH (Tsuwave, mitchmouse, etc) and negative fans who love to shit on every single thing the club did.

I joined the forum back 20+ years ago in 2002. The drop in quality is alarming and ridiculous. I can't even finish a single thread on man std forum these days because there are so much fecking drivel and rubbish being posted everyday. Mods opting to issue warnings for using words like "abortion" or "crap", instead of doing proper quality control.

And people here were laughing at other forums. Take a look good at a mirror seriously.
Good grief.
Agreeing with an absolute shit show of a posting?
Take a good look at a mirror seriously
 

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Exactly.

It's all black and white for the people here, social justice keyboard warriors, self-righteous pricks.

When someone said even remotely offers an opinion that even remotely hints at giving Greenwood, Antony the benefit of the doubt, or innocent until proven guilty, all these self-righteous opinionated clowns who can't fecking think for themselves immediately swarmed your post with "Oh you must hate women", "what went wrong with you", "how dare you voice support for a rapist/abuser", blab blab, fecking blab.

The forum is now a cesspit of social justice warriors, cancel culture woke pricks, Cristiano Ronaldo fanboys who post agenda-driven bullshit to shit on ETH (Tsuwave, mitchmouse, etc) and negative fans who love to shit on every single thing the club did.

I joined the forum back 20+ years ago in 2002. The drop in quality is alarming and ridiculous. I can't even finish a single thread on man std forum these days because there are so much fecking drivel and rubbish being posted everyday. Mods opting to issue warnings for using words like "abortion" or "crap", instead of doing proper quality control.

And people here were laughing at other forums. Take a look good at a mirror seriously.
I am relatively new here, so my question is: Is this post indicative of the high quality "back in the good old days"?
 

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Banned users will have "New Member" as tagline, unless you have a custom one, though this guy was a newbie so he had that anyway. If it's a permanent ban then the profile will become unavailable, though that message can be because of privacy settings (like mine) so it's not foolproof.

You can also use the search function to check, if you go to the 'member' field and type in a username, permanently banned users won't pop up.
Your profile says something about you limiting who can see you post.

Edit: Strange now it says the same as the banned guy.
 

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She absolutely is not. This should be left for club and the authorities to deal with. If Anthony is cleared and the correct steps are taken, then it can resolved.

If the ownership issues are resolved, then new authoritative leadership can resolve both Greenwood and Anthony situations.
I’m going out on a limb but I think that was a joke
 

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I am relatively new here, so my question is: Is this post indicative of the high quality "back in the good old days"?
I wasn't around back then either, but if you ever bump into a thread from some 20 years ago, you'll be amazed at the level of sexism and homophobia that was apparently absolutely normal back then. Society, and with it the Caf, has changed remarkably since then in terms of inclusivity and what's acceptable in terms of insulting humour etc.
 

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Exactly.

It's all black and white for the people here, social justice keyboard warriors, self-righteous pricks.

When someone said even remotely offers an opinion that even remotely hints at giving Greenwood, Antony the benefit of the doubt, or innocent until proven guilty, all these self-righteous opinionated clowns who can't fecking think for themselves immediately swarmed your post with "Oh you must hate women", "what went wrong with you", "how dare you voice support for a rapist/abuser", blab blab, fecking blab.

The forum is now a cesspit of social justice warriors, cancel culture woke pricks, Cristiano Ronaldo fanboys who post agenda-driven bullshit to shit on ETH (Tsuwave, mitchmouse, etc) and negative fans who love to shit on every single thing the club did.

I joined the forum back 20+ years ago in 2002. The drop in quality is alarming and ridiculous. I can't even finish a single thread on man std forum these days because there are so much fecking drivel and rubbish being posted everyday. Mods opting to issue warnings for using words like "abortion" or "crap", instead of doing proper quality control.

And people here were laughing at other forums. Take a look good at a mirror seriously.
I'm giving Greenwood and Antony the benefit of the doubt but it's not that serious. Sheesh.

Bad takes on all sides.
 

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Exactly.

It's all black and white for the people here, social justice keyboard warriors, self-righteous pricks.

When someone said even remotely offers an opinion that even remotely hints at giving Greenwood, Antony the benefit of the doubt, or innocent until proven guilty, all these self-righteous opinionated clowns who can't fecking think for themselves immediately swarmed your post with "Oh you must hate women", "what went wrong with you", "how dare you voice support for a rapist/abuser", blab blab, fecking blab.

The forum is now a cesspit of social justice warriors, cancel culture woke pricks, Cristiano Ronaldo fanboys who post agenda-driven bullshit to shit on ETH (Tsuwave, mitchmouse, etc) and negative fans who love to shit on every single thing the club did.

I joined the forum back 20+ years ago in 2002. The drop in quality is alarming and ridiculous. I can't even finish a single thread on man std forum these days because there are so much fecking drivel and rubbish being posted everyday. Mods opting to issue warnings for using words like "abortion" or "crap", instead of doing proper quality control.

And people here were laughing at other forums. Take a look good at a mirror seriously.
Don't feel obliged to come back if you're not enjoying it, I don't think you'll be missed too much.