You'll concede fewer goals with a better goalie, yes.
"much less"? It wouldn't be a massive difference, Onana has conceded 1 shocker and MAYBE 2 others where he could've done better.
Onana has not worked out. We need a new keeper.
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"much less"? It wouldn't be a massive difference, Onana has conceded 1 shocker and MAYBE 2 others where he could've done better.
If we had Alisson in goal, Ruben Dias at the back, Rodri in Midfield and Salah up front we’d be on 13 points in the PL now and have won against Bayern
If I have to see one positive in us signing Onana is that we can clearly see the shortcomings of our defence. De Gea despite his mistakes produced amazing saves time and time again. We can no longer expect that. Time to improve our defence and start conceding fewer chances.
Funny thing is a lot of people said our good clean sheet record was down to defence and not De Gea. Now it's other way around. Football fans always have and always will fit their narrative
I'll hold my judgement until he has a better defensive line in front of him (as in the injuries are gone, if that ever happens).
Ederson is quite crap at shot stopping too, to be fair, so probably not.
Alisson would have saved a couple of goals that Onana conceded.
The scary thing is he was available on a free last summer and DG was entering last year of his contract. Reya is just as effective as a sweeper/ passer and was available this summer for far less.
I've always rated De Gea. Sure he started making few mistakes since his disastrous world cup with Spain but he generally pulled out amazing saves. I always thought the GK position should be the last priority but I was happy with Onana signing as well as I can see the advantages of a sweeper keeper.
And our clean sheet record was never only down to our defence, whoever is telling that is talking shit. We have never defended well as a team since a long time. It's always been pack the defence in a low block and hope for the best.
One does not become the Ballon D’or nominee if he’s not “very good”.
This needs to stop. By all accounts he was in talks with Inter as early as September 2021 and agreed terms and even did his medical in early January 2022. The fact it wasn't formally announced until 1st July is largely redundant, it had been a done deal for a very long time. If he'd still been available at the time of Ten Hag agreeing to join United I think we can all be pretty confident he'd have signed him, especially given he took one look at De Gea and tried to sign two other goalkeepers who would have taken his spot on the cheap.
He's Onana. He's rated as the top 20 keepers in the world currently!
De Gea's last European game was the shambles in Seville. He'd have cacked himself just as much playing away to Bayern.
There's a reason he's been on a free with no interest for 3 months.
It is all relative. Donny van der Beek was a Ballon D’or nominee too.
Hope he gets there.. the trouble is at Utd they haven't got the time like other clubs get in terms of being critical. Ie look at last season with Casimero and Martinez both were slated before they kicked a ball for utd.. and when you now have a new guy who's not doing it those same critics in the press etc go told you so .... and love it. I'm still not his biggest fan hopefully when we get Varane Back Shaw back and a CM who can follower runners back.. its still like pre season for me in games there trying to work out on how the best way to play..
Raya is nowhere near as good as Onana as a passer. Onana is arguably the best in the world in that aspect and he's shown excellent passing here as well. His shot stopping has been meh (expect him to improve and obviously not make mistakes like the Bayern one, but didn't have too many complaints before), he's good at dealing with crosses, he's solid at sweeping. It's the passing that's the biggest influence.
I reckon De Gea saves that 99 times out of 100, but whatever the statistics are, just finding an example of where he was crap doesn’t mean you can then extrapolate that crapness to all and every shot he’s faced.
Quite the claim.
| Short | Long | Games | |
| Onana | 116/119 (97.47%) | 13/55 (23.63%) | 23/24 - Round 1 to 5 |
| De Gea | 74/76 (97.37%) | 18/57 (31.58%) | 22/23 - Round 34 to 38 |
| Raya | 73/74 (98.65%) | 50/131 (38.17%) | 22/23 - Round 34 to 38 |
| Ederson | 138/139 (99.28%) | 40/77 (51.95%) | 23/24 - Round 1 to 5 |
Love it when people use irrelevant stats without any context to argue a point. Eye test is all you need to be extremely clear on passing ability of Onana, who is ederson level with it. Raya is decent but nowhere near that.
I absolutely *knew* when I saw his post with that claim, that it was just the poster presenting his opinion as fact.
I’ve just seen the Daily Mail currently have an article up saying “Andre Onana’s handling woes continue with the goalkeeper dropping his car keys as Man Utd squad return home”. His fecking CAR KEYS!!!! 
It beggars belief that these people actually get paid to write this shite. Absolutely stealing a living, although it is the Mail after all so shouldn’t be the slightest bit surprised.
It beggars belief that these people actually get paid to write this shite. Absolutely stealing a living, although it is the Mail after all so shouldn’t be the slightest bit surprised.By all means praise Onana for the things he actually CAN do that De Gea couldn’t, but don’t be surprised when you make “best in the world at…” claims and then get called out for it. You want him to be the best passing GK in the world but there’s absolutely no evidence for that superlative claim beyond your own wishes.
I’ve just seen the Daily Mail currently have an article up saying “Andre Onana’s handling woes continue with the goalkeeper dropping his car keys as Man Utd squad return home”. His fecking CAR KEYS!!!!
Only reporting the truth la
There's plenty of examples. Another one is De Gea against West Ham at the end of last season. As equally bad, if not worse, than Onana on Wednesday. Does this argument really need going over again? De Gea was increasingly a disaster. His sole effectiveness was in his shot stopping which had declined massively by the time he left.
I get it. De Gea made mistakes, and not just one or two. Quite a lot over the last few years. All I did was respond to you saying that De Gea wouldn’t have saved that first goal against Bayern. Which was patently untrue, he’d have saved it the vast majority of times, as would all professional keepers.
You don't have a mean golf swing if you hit the ball well but it ends up in the water.
There is visual evidence. He's arguably the best in the world at it alone with ederson. Stats like pass completion are literally irrelevant stats without any context like what the pass attempted to do, what is the goalkeeper asked to do, who are the player targets and how well do they compete for long balls, etc. Unfortunately with goalkeepers, the publically available stats like post shot xG on fbref or pass completion or whatever else are literally irrelevant stats. Some people do advanced analytics for goalkeepers, but it's not publically available unless they post little snips like John Harrison on twitter. Otherwise, you're wasting your time looking at fbref or Fotmob stats about a goalkeeper. For the general public, you just gotta judge it visually and each incident individually.
The CL final performance is the highest possible game to show your stuff, and Onana showed a passing range and level that very few are capable of. Raya is not capable of that level of passing.
See this post:
Also .. you're using a 5 game sample size. Like what? If you're going to use stats, sample size is #1 in terms of importance for something to be relevant.
He is clearly at most decent at shot stopping. I knew this and it is compensated by passing. As a classic GK, mediocre to lets see.
If you ever had any doubt there’s an agenda against United in the general media, rest assured, it’s alive and well. I just saw an article about Onana dropping his car keys…
Like most qualitative things, it’s very difficult to prove, but looking at it from an outside perspective the degree to which you have exaggerated his talents seems astonishingly large. I’m struggling to think of another time I’ve seen such an extreme evaluation of a player’s abilities, either on this forum or elsewhere. I think you’re going to end up either bitterly disappointed or in denial.
Man starts Utd career with a few errors....
Panic!
Panic!
It's not that extreme? It's what he's always been known for. It's what he's always stood out with. It's why he's on the ballon dor shortlist. It's what he shows that he excels with on the pitch consistently. I don't see how claiming he's arguably the best in the world with the ball at his feet is an outlandish claim. I'm arguing he's right up there with ederson with it who has proven that level for the longest (ball at feet, otherwise Allison the best all around).
You've not seen DDG concede that type of goal multiple times in a United shirt?
His accuracy when putting it into the keyhole makes up for it though.
He isn't exaggerating his talents. Onana is up there with any keeper in the world when it comes to passing. This isn't a controversial opinion.
Yep, but his save to concede ratio for that kind of shot would clearly massively favour the save.
I’d love to see the De Gea thread from his first season. I’m pretty sure the consensus was he wasn’t going to make it, especially when Fergie dropped him.
We don't know yet for sure but his goalkeeping start has been less than stellar. Comparison with you De Gea are a bit disingenuous but I'd give him this season to bed in but errors like the one against Bayern need to be eradicated.
Also, Onana flopping will hardly be a huge black mark on EtH because Pep brought in his former Barca keeper and promptly binned him off at City.
So if he flops, we just buy another keeper with a decent owner. It comes back to the Glazers once more.
Also, Onana flopping will hardly be a huge black mark on EtH because Pep brought in his former Barca keeper and promptly binned him off at City.
So if he flops, we just buy another keeper with a decent owner. It comes back to the Glazers once more.
I’d say it’s more than controversial, it’s wrong! But that’s just my opinion. To be the best passer in the world for his position I’d expect him to be genuinely amazing, which I just can’t see. Maybe I will as time goes on, but from what I’ve seen of him it’s an absolutely crazy way to describe him.