Reminds me of Barthez, great reputation too before he came and suddenly turned to rubbish
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Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 51
- Clean sheets
- 13
- Goals
- 0
- Assists
- 0
- Yellow cards
- 6
Ironically Raya suffered a howler last night too.
The same was said about Maguire. Turns out it was him that shite all along. Hope Onana can get better than this.Now we need to change the entire defence to complement his supposed skillset
Surely someone on that training pitch shifts the entire focus to defence, being compact, defending as a unit just like Inter Milan did last season. If we're going to persist with this clown, let's at least make it difficult for teams to get shots near him.
But the other end of the spectrum was Jose complaining that he wasn't backed.
I seem to remember De Gea had a tough start to his Utd career and was managed in and out of the team during his first season. I think that needs to happen here. Drop him for a few games to take him out of the spotlight and gradually bring him back in.
I used to think this, but I'm not so sure at this current trajectory, it holds true. I mean, giving an interception away against a press is sort of the understandable "tradeoffs" with switching to a ball playing GK - but Onana has made "basic" goalkeeping errors aplenty now, which is on top of the normal tradeoffs - this will be way to costly in the long run to think that his ball playing ability alone would be worth it.
Still early days though, and hope he proves us wrong but it's looking shambolic at the moment.
Thought he would be great for us. I was wrong. Very wrong.
Worse than Taibi. Hag needs a bit of luck but instead he’s got our keeper scoring own goals.
this "he needs movement around him" argument was used for luxury, difficult to fit midfielders like Kagawa in the past, now we're using it for a goalkeeper 
at least this could end as a good lesson for the vocal "progressive" smartasses on here that don't really watch games, but know everything about the modern game based on those "smart" yt analysis.
at least this could end as a good lesson for the vocal "progressive" smartasses on here that don't really watch games, but know everything about the modern game based on those "smart" yt analysis.
For who watched him with Inter, like i did before, Onana made the same mad mistakes.
EtH did everything to get him here and got rid of De Gea and Henderson - BIG mistake!
Surely we need to rename this thread Andre Oh no! na performances?
I am not getting this Onana slating at all.
Sure he was at fault for the penalty but can you really blame him for the goals last night.
Goal 1 - A nothing ball lumped into our area from half way in their own half and is even allowed to bounce twice before a nothing challenge from Dalot allows Zaha a chance right smack bang in from of our goal - awful defending all round.
Goal 2 - Amrabat totally sold by a dummy from a throw in and then Lindelof just allows a guy to run right into the box with nobody in sight, easy finish.
Goal 3 - It only takes a free header from well inside their own half to split right through United defence because Amrabat is asleep and keeping everyone onside, that is a assist from a defender with a clearing header.
The defence last night was a complete shambles and just left Onana with virtually no protection at all.
Virtually no mention of any of this but lets dig out Onana instead.
Sure he was at fault for the penalty but can you really blame him for the goals last night.
Goal 1 - A nothing ball lumped into our area from half way in their own half and is even allowed to bounce twice before a nothing challenge from Dalot allows Zaha a chance right smack bang in from of our goal - awful defending all round.
Goal 2 - Amrabat totally sold by a dummy from a throw in and then Lindelof just allows a guy to run right into the box with nobody in sight, easy finish.
Goal 3 - It only takes a free header from well inside their own half to split right through United defence because Amrabat is asleep and keeping everyone onside, that is a assist from a defender with a clearing header.
The defence last night was a complete shambles and just left Onana with virtually no protection at all.
Virtually no mention of any of this but lets dig out Onana instead.
He's one of the least athletic looking footballers in the modern game.
The way he crouched for that Icardi goal though. Looked like a 5 year old. Could’ve just stood there and made Icardi look like an even bigger clown.
Agreed. He's been shaky and clearly the pressure is getting to him so give him some time away from the spotlight. We have a new backup goalie that needs games anyways. I'd bench him for the next couple cl games.
Please stop comparing an established, 27 year old goalkeeper's first games for the club with a 21 year old goalkeeper. It doesn't make any sense. You're just making Onana look even worse.
Agree
I don't like the way he flops to the ground like a sack of spuds.
I missed that - ok, feel a little better now!
My biggest concern with Onana is that he is letting in goals that you expect great goalies to save. No point in comparing him to DDG at his worst, but comparing him to DDG in his prime, we win against Brighton and we win against Galatasaray, and I might be biased, but I think we concede a few less on top of that. A few times, Onana gets his hands to the ball, but he is unable to save it still. That tells me that the shot isn't impossible to save, but his wrists aren't strong enough or his reach isn't long enough. It's happened too often already for it to be coincidence or one time incidents.
My second concern with him is that his ball playing abilities make us play a dire brand of football. He takes far too long on the ball. It may force the opposition forwards leaving gaps in their team. However, we don't exploit that. Instead, they are able to re-group and our attacking play comes to a halt. We have more possession than last season, but most of that is in and around our own box. His long range passing has been thoroughly underwhelming. Even those floated ball to the fullbacks are quite poor most of the time. His passing technique looks sublime, but the direction is rather poorly timed. Has our general play really improved with him, or has it regressed? He's had to cope with a duputising defence in front of him, so I'll give him the benefit of doubt, but so far, I'm not all that impressed, and I honestly dislike the brand of football we are playing with him at the back. He also stays far too rooted to his line when we are high up the pitch, so his sweeping isn't really visible thus far.
My third concern is that he's not great at claiming crosses - is he even an upgrade on DDG?
My second concern with him is that his ball playing abilities make us play a dire brand of football. He takes far too long on the ball. It may force the opposition forwards leaving gaps in their team. However, we don't exploit that. Instead, they are able to re-group and our attacking play comes to a halt. We have more possession than last season, but most of that is in and around our own box. His long range passing has been thoroughly underwhelming. Even those floated ball to the fullbacks are quite poor most of the time. His passing technique looks sublime, but the direction is rather poorly timed. Has our general play really improved with him, or has it regressed? He's had to cope with a duputising defence in front of him, so I'll give him the benefit of doubt, but so far, I'm not all that impressed, and I honestly dislike the brand of football we are playing with him at the back. He also stays far too rooted to his line when we are high up the pitch, so his sweeping isn't really visible thus far.
My third concern is that he's not great at claiming crosses - is he even an upgrade on DDG?
Jose was given Maguire at £50m then vetoed the transfer because he said he would get 'destroyed' in the press for signing a CB at that valuation, which in turn cost United a shit load more cash next year when they came back in for him because they had no more targets. Jose loved to moan and blame, he right about needing a new defence but he didn't help matters.
I mean those may be factors in the goals conceded but are you not being a bit blind to Onana's contribution to each as well? The first goal he is in no man's land; neither coming out to claim nor staying on his line to save just the worst of both worlds. That's how he ends up getting done by a simple, slow looping header.
2nd goal not much he can do about that fair enough but you also have zero faith he'll ever save the unexpected.
3rd is another shocker for me and another he has history of. When you commit so early it just makes it very easy for the striker. If you see the still image of where Icardi chipped him from it says it all. This wasn't waiting until you are right in front of a sprawling keeper and lifting it over him like Højlund's second. This was a keeper making it far too easy at the slightest hint of a feint. Much like the one a couple of weeks ago when he jumps on his arse when one on one and makes it easy for the striker.
Outside of that he was a shambles too, the pass for the penalty, diving about the box at balls and getting nowhere near them, flapping at crosses and making them more dangerous than they need to be.
I was far from convinced when we signed him and pretty much everything I've seen from him so far tells me we've paid £50m for a comedy keeper.
Looking at the goals conceded:
Against Arsenal: the 2-1 goal, he gets his hands to it, but he flops it into his own net - not a terrible mistake, but I expect a great goalie to save it - it might mean we do not lose.
Against Brighton, their second goal isn't a mistake, but a great goalie might save it. The same definitely applies for their third goal - he gets his hands to it, but he fluffs it.
Against Bayern, the first one is atrocious.
Two goals against Galatasaray are definitely possible to save.
That's four matches where he has been one of the deciding factors why we lose.
I don't recall him making any saves that I found amazing.
Against Arsenal: the 2-1 goal, he gets his hands to it, but he flops it into his own net - not a terrible mistake, but I expect a great goalie to save it - it might mean we do not lose.
Against Brighton, their second goal isn't a mistake, but a great goalie might save it. The same definitely applies for their third goal - he gets his hands to it, but he fluffs it.
Against Bayern, the first one is atrocious.
Two goals against Galatasaray are definitely possible to save.
That's four matches where he has been one of the deciding factors why we lose.
I don't recall him making any saves that I found amazing.
Goal 1: - he is wrongly positioned. If he stands on his line as he should in that instance, he easily saves the lumped ball.
Goal 2: agreed
Goal 3: he goes down far too quickly - it's a poor lob from 16 yards out - he also positions himself poorly. Not a huge mistake, but a mistake still. I expect a great goalie to save it.
The penalty situation is atrocious.
Evra and Vidić taught me not to judge players too quickly and too harsh at first. Players need time to settle in and get in the groove of everything. But no doubt a terrible, terrrible start from Onana. His shot stopping is terrible and his passing isn't really all that brilliant either. But honestly most of the team is ass at the moment.
He did have a very good one against Ansu Fati, I think, late in the Brighton game. But that's the only impressive save I can think of.
There was also the comical one vs Forest where he just randomly sat down when Awoniyi was through.
And if we're counting mistakes he would have cost us a point vs Wolves but for a refereeing error when he decided to punch an opponent's head rather than the ball.
Don't get this comparison at all. DDG signed as a young 20 year old who looked every bit as young as he was. He struggled with the physical side and high balls in to the box but he was also making amazing saves from early on.
When you sign such a young player I think a period of adaption and physically maturing is expected. Onana has been signed at a big price, coming with a big reputation (that he clearly believes himself) and he is a big unit so should be better equipped for the physical side.
The problem is the basics of goalkeeping don't seem to be there. I dont see him as being very agile at all, his supposed ball playing ability seems to be reduced to taking long touches and inviting opposition on before blindly humping it or playing a simple ball out. His shot stopping and ability in one on one's is a serious concern for me and I think that's going to bite us time and time again.
Did anyone see him running back to his goal last night near the end? Good grief
That's the proper approach to comparisons. What is their ceiling and what are their floors?
In fact, that's how you should compare the teams of the various/previous managers of United versus the current. Otherwise, it's just an intentionally skewed response.
So we look at their best periods and not compare them against the last few months before their inevitable sacking.
1st goal takes a huge deflection off that clown Dalot and bounces off the ground and goes over his head. His position was to close the angle for the shot, he can't just stand on his line and give Zaha the whole goal to aim for.
2nd goal, feck all he can do there, but that was all on Lindelof & Amrabat.
3rd goal he sits down too early and makes it easy for Icardi, but 8/9 times out of 10 a 1v1 like is going to be a goal anyway. That one was all on Amrabat.
Benching him isn't going to help anybody.
He's not a kid who needs time to settle in.
He's not a "pressure crumbling personality" kind of guy. If anything, he's got loads of confidence, maybe even too much.
Just keep it simple Andre. Keep it wide.
He's not a kid who needs time to settle in.
He's not a "pressure crumbling personality" kind of guy. If anything, he's got loads of confidence, maybe even too much.
Just keep it simple Andre. Keep it wide.
Agreed on all 3 points, especially 1 and 2. Saying he should've stayed on the goal line for goal 1 is a terrible suggestion by some.
Forget the pass, more worringly is why is a so called elite Keeper going down that early for the 3rd goal
Should have done one thing or the other for the first goal, rather than hover on no man's land.
Either come out and claim the ball, which he absolutely could have done, or stay on your line, instead he was out of position.
Second goal was not his fault.
Penalty situation was shocking from him and just before that he palmed a simple cross out into a dangerous area which was awful,
The winner was Amrabats original error, but my word stay on your feet, Onana made it so so easy to finish, we saw a similar situation against Forest and he done a similar thing.
It's quite simply awful goalkeeping, there's no excusing it really.
To play to Onana’s strengths requires passing lanes to technical players comfortable on the ball.
When Shaw and Martinez are back, the types of mistakes we saw for the penalty will becomes less common. From yesterdays back line, I would only classify Dalot as being technically capable.
Given Martinez is a long term injury; our best lineup in the medium term will be Dalot, Varane, Shaw and Reguilon, which should give Onana plenty of options to navigate passing out from the back.
When Shaw and Martinez are back, the types of mistakes we saw for the penalty will becomes less common. From yesterdays back line, I would only classify Dalot as being technically capable.
Given Martinez is a long term injury; our best lineup in the medium term will be Dalot, Varane, Shaw and Reguilon, which should give Onana plenty of options to navigate passing out from the back.
Well, diving or not, positioning aside, he doesn't seem to save anything.
He just doesn't save anything. Love how all his "great" saves are shots directly at him or saved with his chest or feet. We've done a huge mistake in getting him.
I remember being a little worried when I watched a couple of his highlights videos before the season. Every time he made a slightly impressive save, which wasn't often, he seemed to give away a dangerous rebound. I don't put much emphasis on highlights videos but when you look dodgy in what's supposed to be your best moments, that might be a red flag.
He is not a good goal keeper, soft hands and very poor goal keeping technique
Very huge mistake and we are going to take forever to ship him out.