I'm not downplaying anything. It will be hell. I'm saying they shouldn't die of thirst.
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I didn't say Palestinians are evil. Most of them consider what Hamas did a victory, though, and they celebrate it. They gain nothing from what Hamas does. There are no benefits or upsides to it. There will only be hell unleashed, and an increase in hatred. Tell me what's the point in defending a terrorist organisation who deliberately looks to create chaos. It has nothing to do with defending themselves. They want to create chaos, to ensure there are victims on their side so they can continue with their wish to eradicate Jews. It is not about freedom, or liberation.
Also, please tell me when Israel paraded Tel Aviv with the dead bodies of young Palestinian (or other foreign) girls that they've raped, yelling out the name of their God. Your response reminds me of these wannabe hippie 20 year old influencers who put make a post about Palestine pretending they know anything about the situation, when they're absolutely clueless.
The EU and UNICEF have built huge desalination plants in Gaza to help with the fresh water problem. There is little natural fresh water in the region and Israel can and does quite easily control it. But I am not sure how effective the plants will be without electricity.
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The current Minister of National Defense for Israel, Itamar Ben-Gvir, used to have a portrait of Baruch Goldstein, a terrorist who killed 29 Palestinians, hanging in his living room.
He was the lawyer for Amiram Ben-Uriel, an Israeli settler who firebombed a house and burned Ali Dawabsheh, an 18-month-old Palestinian child, to death. Israeli settlers showed up to the trial and taunted the boy's grandfather, singing "Where's Ali? There's no Ali. Ali is burned. On the fire. Ali is on the grill."
He was present at a wedding in which guests stabbed and burned a photo of the child. He later claimed nobody realized who the baby in the photo was.
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On 24 March, a report from the UN team responsible for the protection of children in war zones was released, it found "hundreds" of violations of the rights of children and accused Israeli soldiers of shooting children, using children as human shields, bulldozing a home with a woman and child still inside, and shelling a building they had ordered civilians into a day earlier. One case involved using an 11-year-old boy as a human shield, by forcing him to enter suspected buildings first and also inspect bags. The report also mentioned the boy was used as a shield when Israeli soldiers came under fire. The Guardian has also received testimony from three Palestinian brothers aged 14, 15, and 16, who all claimed to have been used as human shields.
The UK newspaper The Guardian conducted an investigation of its own which, according to the paper, uncovered evidence of war crimes including the use of Palestinian children as human shields and the targeting of medics and hospitals. The paper also found evidence of attacks on clearly distinguishable civilian targets.
EDIT - Hamas are a terrorist organisation, that much we can agree and both sides are doing messed up shit. the leadership on both sides is the main issue
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I just think of what the US did to Native Americans, who resorted to what we'd call terrorism in their rage and deperation.
How is this substantively different? I wasn't taught to judge Native Americans for their response to colonialism.
Trying to compare how some Israelis and some Palerstinians act to prove one side is better behaved than the other is a pointless process. A quick google search will show hundreds of horrific war crimes committed by both sides.
EDIT I see some posters have already helped with that google search.
Israel does have laws in its constitution making Palestinians second class citizens though.
Some of them are, not like what you've posted here, but I don't think "free Palestine" graffiti is enough to make someone feel unsafe. It's more the culmination of the mobs of celebration for these attacks - some have been shown to not be when or where they were from other times. I think if that sort of sentiment is in where you and your family are that's a valid concernThe reports aren't really unverified. Everybody knows everybody there. They could be unconnected (eg. the vandalism, graffiti, and attacks, but when you see this right near where the attacks and vandalism were, you connect dots.)
Being a democracy doesn't make the bombs you drop on civillians any better, doesn't make the children you shoot dead any less human and doesn't make the land you occupy any less illegal.
Palestinian freedom fighters are defending their homeland against an occupying force using military means - under international law it is legitimate.
The Irish are the only bastion of morality left in Europe.
What stopped the UN plan from being implemented?Take a look at the map please.
Similar beliefs to what? That there is no longer a discernible Palestine from which to make two states? It's far worse than that as it goes, in the WB, that's just an old picture.
The entire conflict is as it is because Israel has those beliefs and has acted upon them for decades without restraint (whatever about the Palestinians have similar beliefs, they have been sanctioned to death, have conceded, in Fatah's case, Israeli "existence" and receive nothing for it except continually decreasing land and zero prospect of change).
Gotta remember just how shielded many of these jews and their kids are; they have no idea how to deal with conflict or bullies. At the risk of using anti semitic tropes, think kyle. They dont know how to identify or react to danger because all they know is their community, which they tend to live insularly in. Holidays are to Israel, Jew studies are often 5 hours a day, and they have an overriding idea that 'what will be will be' and 'god will protect us if we deserve it' so walk around like lemmings.
Desalination requires a lot of electricity. They won't be doing anything without power.
Oh it wasn't sarcasm...
I'm close to being banned for insults here, but my god it may be worth it this time... I don't even know where to start.
Because they've experienced to an extent what the Palestinians are feeling.
To do this at scale for million people is impossible. I honestly hoped your were joking but it seems like you're being serious which is insane.
Well if we're following this dumb analogy through, the IRA would have raided Lancashire and slaughtered and raped a few thousand people, and gone to Leeds festival and killed a few hundred partying teenagers, and people like you would have presumably said it was justified?
That and the police confirmed it was likely one of a number of recent robberies in the area.
Good lord.
Why do you even bother with this guy?
He has no knowledge, not a single educated clue about what's happening there, yet keeps on hammering his simplistic point of view. He brings absolutely nothing to the discussion and his arrogance is only matched by his ignorance. There are quality many posters here on both sides that give a nuanced, informed and balanced opinion on the situation there.
Indeed. I think the Israelis are finally finding out the hard way, that they can't co-exist with an internationally recognized terrorist organization on their border that is committed to their destruction (as published in the founding Hamas charter), and which is in turn funded and subsidized from another nation state committed to Israel's destruction. It seems the domestic calculus inside Israel has changed in the past 3 days to where there is agreement that Hamas has to go, which is why a ground war and reoccupation of Gaza seems imminent.
thats because they can relate
It's not a 'dumb analogy' at all, it's the exact reason Palestine has support among Irish people, aside from the fact that any sane human should support basic human rights and be against oppressive fascists.
According to reports, they've found beheaded babies in Kfar Azar....Israel will not stop until Hamas is history.
Awesome.
Imma call BS on that. What are those reports?
This better not be true. This would be Rape of Nanking levels of evil. Surely not.
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It's not inaccurate, nor uncommon in sheltered communities. Whether you like to think so or not. And its their right to hold that way of life should they want to do so.
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Nah I'd clarified below. There's a whole load of RO units, i think 64% of households or something have one.
I've reread your comment, and I realise it was meant in good faith. So fair enough.
There's a video floating about of a Hamas guy attempting to decapitate a wounded Israeli bleeding on the ground with a hoe (presumably at a kibutz), which I suspect isn't the worst thing that happened in the early hours of Saturday.
Really.
In what way?