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Who are these 'zionists'? Most 'zionists' probably never thought about it or cared about it. Still though - zionists, eh.
The people who forced Greta to apologize after the abuse she got for being anti-semitic because she happened to have a toy used by autistic kids that was an octopus. An apparently octopuses are also anti-semitic because the Nazis has a picture of Jews being octopuses controlling the world.

I'll always distinguish between Jews and Zionists. Jews I obviously have no issue with, Zionists who think they have a birthright to the land and can kick people already living there out of it are who I have issues with.
 

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That hasn't answered the question at all, you've just described Western democratic society in a nutshell. What you haven't answered is how specifically Islamophobia is being taken seriously as you claim, despite the evidence proving the contrary.
By trying not to offend obvious anti human rights clams. By pretending that women being inferior and being beaten with a stick is that same as feminism. By the left bending backwards to try to appeal to obvious misogamy while also trying to respect it.

The main reason why the far right is on the rise, is because the left, the traditional voice of reason, of science, has moved to the "don't offend". What used to be the voice of higher academia, of science, is now the voice of 16-21 yo. The vocal left is literally turning people to the far writer and trumpist.

The main problem in the west today is the left being taken over by children. Unless smart and experienced people are going to take over the narrative, then not only is the left dead, but the western World is for a new time of fascism.
 

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I'll always distinguish between Jews and Zionists. Jews I obviously have no issue with, Zionists who think they have a birthright to the land and can kick people already living there out of it are who I have issues with.
I appreciate the distinction of course.

Here's the thing. You can be a zionist and believe in establishing a free Palestine and a two state solution. There are 'zionists' who are not expansionist or extremist. So when you sneer about zionists, just be aware that many peace-seeking left wing or moderate jews feel that it's directed at them.

I'm also not naive and I understand that it's useful to have a handy term for the people to blame for Israel's hard right militarism. So I'm not having a go. Just explaining that saying zionists is not always a free pass.
 

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By trying not to offend obvious anti human rights clams. By pretending that women being inferior and being beaten with a stick is that same as feminism. By the left bending backwards to try to appeal to obvious misogamy while also trying to respect it.

The main reason why the far right is on the rise, is because the left, the traditional voice of reason, of science, has moved to the "don't offend". What used to be the voice of higher academia, of science, is now the voice of 16-21 yo. The vocal left is literally turning people to the far writer and trumpist.

The main problem in the west today is the left being taken over by children. Unless smart and experienced people are going to take over the narrative, then not only is the left dead, but the western World is for a new time of fascism.
The damn left making right wingers racist.
 

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By trying not to offend obvious anti human rights clams. By pretending that women being inferior and being beaten with a stick is that same as feminism. By the left bending backwards to try to appeal to obvious misogamy while also trying to respect it.

The main reason why the far right is on the rise, is because the left, the traditional voice of reason, of science, has moved to the "don't offend". What used to be the voice of higher academia, of science, is now the voice of 16-21 yo. The vocal left is literally turning people to the far writer and trumpist.

The main problem in the west today is the left being taken over by children. Unless smart and experienced people are going to take over the narrative, then not only is the left dead, but the western World is for a new time of fascism.
So the rise of right wing populism across the west, especially in Europe is
a) a new thing
and
b) the fault of muslims and greta.
 

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Look at these sick fecks. No wonder Jews in Britain don't feel safe anymore
 

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Apparently criticism of Israel can never be antisemitism, according to a number of posters here.
This isn't criticism of Israel though, this is just straight up anti-semitism?
 

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This isn't criticism of Israel though, this is just straight up anti-semitism?
Yes. Remind what protest they were at?

I know most of the protestors aren't antisemitic of course, but there are significant sections of them and the wider movement that are straight out jew haters. Just think it's more honest to accept it and take steps to expose and ostracise them than deny they exist or minimise their horrendous and dangerous views.
 

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Look at these sick fecks. No wonder Jews in Britain don't feel safe anymore
The battle of Khaybar was fought in early 628 CE between the early Muslims led by Muhammad, and the Arabian Jews living in Khaybar, an oasis located 150 kilometres (93 mi) from the city of Medina....

... The battle ended with the surrender of the Khaybar Jews, who were then allowed to continue living in the region on the condition that they would give one-half of their produce to the Muslims. The Jews of Khaybar continued to live on the oasis for several more years, until they were expelled by the second Rashidun Caliph, Umar. The imposition of tribute by the Muslims onto the Jews served as a precedent for provisions in Islamic law, which requires the regular exaction of tribute—known as jizya—from dhimmi non-Muslim subjects living in areas under Muslim rule, as well as the confiscation of land belonging to non-Muslims to merge into the collective property of the Muslim community.
 

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Yes. Remind what protest they were at?

I know most of the protestors aren't antisemitic of course, but there are significant sections of them and the wider movement that are straight out jew haters. Just think it's more honest to accept it and take steps to expose and ostracise them than deny they exist or minimise their horrendous and dangerous views.
Yes but I'm replying to you saying that some posters on here have said that criticism of Israel can never be antisemitism (which I'd be interested to see)?

I'm saying there isn't even a semblance or facade of criticism of Israel here by this moronic woman, she's just a straight up anti-semite. I'd agree with you if she was also chanting something about Israel or Zionists for instance but, at least in this video, it was literally just pure anti-semitism.
 

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Yes. Remind what protest they were at?

I know most of the protestors aren't antisemitic of course, but there are significant sections of them and the wider movement that are straight out jew haters. Just think it's more honest to accept it and take steps to expose and ostracise them than deny they exist or minimise their horrendous and dangerous views.
Significant sections ? What are you basing that on - ten morons in tens / hundreds of thousands ? Every video put up so far of this example or similar has a few people with the wider majority ignoring them - or not understanding them. Had you not put the translation up, I wouldv assumed they were chanting about innocent babies dying. You’re gonna get distasteful individuals in every group - if I take any of the tweet responses above or from YouTube and use them as indicative of all Israelis and calling for ostracization you would rightfully call me a bigot
 

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Yes but I'm replying to you saying that some posters on here have said that criticism of Israel can never be antisemitism (which I'd be interested to see)?

I'm saying there isn't even a semblance or facade of criticism of Israel here by this moronic woman, she's just a straight up anti-semite. I'd agree with you if she was also chanting something about Israel or Zionists for instance but, at least in this video, it was literally just pure anti-semitism.
Criticism of Israel is not antisemitism was the post by Corinthian I think. And as I said, it's not inherently antisemitic, but it is absolutely possible for criticism of Israel to be antisemitic.

Eg if you're criticising Israel and not others doing the same thing or worse. Or you invoke all zionists which essentially means a large proportion of the world's jews. Or you atrocity deny, or say the Israelis deserved the massacre, or you directly support Hamas who are an avowed antisemitic terror group.

Again, I'm not saying the march is antisemitic per se, and for the record I myself want a ceasefire, but if you think those strains of thoughts are a tiny percentage of this group then we're going to have to disagree.
 

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Criticism of Israel is not antisemitism was the post by Corinthian I think. And as I said, it's not inherently antisemitic, but it is absolutely possible for criticism of Israel to be antisemitic.

Eg if you're criticising Israel and not others doing the same thing or worse. Or you invoke all zionists which essentially means a large proportion of the world's jews. Or you atrocity deny, or say the Israelis deserved the massacre, or you directly support Hamas who are an avowed antisemitic terror group.

Again, I'm not saying the march is antisemitic per se, and for the record I myself want a ceasefire, but if you think those strains of thoughts are a tiny percentage of this group then we're going to have to disagree.
No it really isn’t. Criticism of Israel isn’t anti semitic. Prejudice and hateful rhetoric against Jews is. There’s a clear and distinct difference and you would do well to understand the two.

Just as anyone can be critical of the Saudi Arabian government and it isn’t Islamophobic.

This crowbarring of criticism of Israel is anti semitic is a common tactic of people who are pro Israel but it’s an illogical and idiotic stance to take.

Lastly, anyone can be a Zionist, it’s not inherent to Jews, and I’ve met plenty of non-Zionist Jews. There’s Christian Zionists, and although rare Muslim Zionists. There’s even a Bangladeshi Zionist doing the rounds on whatsapp.
 

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No it really isn’t. Criticism of Israel isn’t anti semitic. Prejudice and hateful rhetoric against Jews is. There’s a clear and distinct difference and you would do well to understand the two.

Just as anyone can be critical of the Saudi Arabian government and it isn’t Islamophobic.

This crowbarring of criticism of Israel is anti semitic is a common tactic of people who are pro Israel but it’s an illogical and idiotic stance to take.

Lastly, anyone can be a Zionist, it’s not inherent to Jews, and I’ve met plenty of non-Zionist Jews. There’s Christian Zionists, and although rare Muslim Zionists. There’s even a Bangladeshi Zionist doing the rounds on whatsapp.

I find the whole Zionism and anti-Semitism discussions weirdly interesting.

Let me put my hands up and say I am Muslim and also that I have am fascinated by "alternative history". What I mean by here is not different but an alternative view or argument based on facts. It all started for me with coming to England in the 70's and being taught Saladin was evil and Richard was a lionheart. For a young me who had been taught that Saladin was a great man and a hero it was like "wait, what?".

Anyway a "different approach" to looking at history was born.

I tend to apply the same approach to most events. That is not to deny them, more to see what the other side/s say or think etc.

I want to put something out there that I read by Rabbi S. Gordon. He argues Zionism sees people like Zelensky for example and even possibly Anne Frank as less Jewish because they didn't want to move to Israel. Rather preferring to fight where they are. No Aliya equals not a real Jew type approach.

If you can find some of his writings I'd suggest have a glance. He makes certain points or arguments that would make me an you antisemetic currently.
 

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If there was any sense in this country the people shouting and screaming such nonsense in the name of Islam should be rounded up and deported where feasible. Shows what a disaster London has become as well that this stuff is even possible. Hard to believe such scenes are in Britain. I think there are a lot of dangerous individuals with dangerous views arriving in this country and it must be a concern what is going to happen down the line because despite propaganda to the contrary, integration is horrendous. I honestly don't know what Britain is going to be like in 50 years with the way things are changing at a rapid rate.
Here's an example of a form of Islamaphobia that gets swept under the carpet or tolerated. On the face of it, completely fine to say people who say sick anti-semetic hatred should be deported, however it would never be aimed at a white person. Instead the assumption if a brown person commits a crime, they should just be deported even if they are likely to be born and raised in the country.

Thrown in the whole "don't know what Britain is going to be like in 50 years" shite and you're adding in the further dogwhistles.
 

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Here's an example of a form of Islamaphobia that gets swept under the carpet or tolerated. On the face of it, completely fine to say people who say sick anti-semetic hatred should be deported, however it would never be aimed at a white person. Instead the assumption if a brown person commits a crime, they should just be deported even if they are likely to be born and raised in the country.

Thrown in the whole "don't know what Britain is going to be like in 50 years" shite and you're adding in the further dogwhistles.
Its the same people who've likely never lived in places like London and buy into this idea of there being 'no go zones' for white people in certain parts of the country. They lap up whatever scaremongering the media feeds them by selecting the sentiments of a moronic minority and amplifying it to be some sort of national existential crisis.

Britain has been going to shite in the last decade or so, but its not for the reasons they think it is.
 

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If there was any sense in this country the people shouting and screaming such nonsense in the name of Islam should be rounded up and deported where feasible. Shows what a disaster London has become as well that this stuff is even possible. Hard to believe such scenes are in Britain. I think there are a lot of dangerous individuals with dangerous views arriving in this country and it must be a concern what is going to happen down the line because despite propaganda to the contrary, integration is horrendous. I honestly don't know what Britain is going to be like in 50 years with the way things are changing at a rapid rate.
Oh my.
 

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Here's an example of a form of Islamaphobia that gets swept under the carpet or tolerated. On the face of it, completely fine to say people who say sick anti-semetic hatred should be deported, however it would never be aimed at a white person. Instead the assumption if a brown person commits a crime, they should just be deported even if they are likely to be born and raised in the country.

Thrown in the whole "don't know what Britain is going to be like in 50 years" shite and you're adding in the further dogwhistles.
Absolutely. If you read the DM and Telegraph comment sections, a chunk of middle England seem to genuinely believe the protestors are all refugees/migrants/adylum-seekers who should be rounded up and deported. They seemingly can't compute that nearly everyone there is English and a decent proportion are white to boot.
 

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not sure why you think this is funny?

a bunch of people chanting "from London to Gaza we will start an intifada".

it's antisemitism, wrapped up as pro-Palestinian.

London has become a cesspit
It’s funny how this propaganda is marketed with dramatic background music and people take it on face value.
 

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Here's an example of a form of Islamaphobia that gets swept under the carpet or tolerated. On the face of it, completely fine to say people who say sick anti-semetic hatred should be deported, however it would never be aimed at a white person. Instead the assumption if a brown person commits a crime, they should just be deported even if they are likely to be born and raised in the country.

Thrown in the whole "don't know what Britain is going to be like in 50 years" shite and you're adding in the further dogwhistles.
Well no it isn't aimed at a white person because white people weren't doing it. A pointless point. It puts you on a great pedestal that presents yourself as tolerant and taking the appearance of righteousness but it is utterly redundant, it only serves to make you look good rather than commentate on a live situation. A problem with a lot of views these days, not calling the truth for what it is because we're more impressed by perception and massaging that than truth.

The latter point is not bullshit, it is based on lived experience and the types of people chanting rubbish that is or should be anti British values are not as rare or uncommon as made out.

Living in an area that has been utterly changed by immigration has not been a good thing in my life. Not because of inherent "racism" or "xenophobia" or whatever word has been weaponised to freeze discussion and create fear, but because I see the same patterns within other areas of the country I have to visit, such as Birmingham and London that I see around me in daily life here in this part of Manchester.

There is no integration because the government massively overcooked immigration in both legal and illegal routes, enclaves of communities because they're constantly told they don't have to adapt (which is what gives rise to this kind of action videoed) and these bs buzz phrases about diversity being wonderful in and of itself rather than tangible solutions about manageable numbers and how to integrate them to actually make it beneficial.

Rubbish everywhere, oversubscribed public services, infrastructure falling apart because the country wasn't built to sustain it, crime rates. I could go on but I won't because ultimately I feel like a lot of the time people who conveniently ignore this stuff are probably talking from within a detached cul de sac somewhere in Hertfordshire and not speaking sense and are quite happy sleepwalking to a continual decline. Our major cities are a disaster zone unless you're rich and if we carry on with net migration where it is with no plan then you tell me...50 years down the line.
 

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The idea that Manchester is a disaster zone or that crumbling infrastructure is down to immigration is so completely alien to me.
 

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I genuinely believe that you need to get off Twitter, read some books and learn and understand what those words mean.
Yea, he was being triggered by people saying Allah U Akbar and having flags with arabic writing.
 

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not sure why you think this is funny?

a bunch of people chanting "from London to Gaza we will start an intifada".

it's antisemitism, wrapped up as pro-Palestinian.

London has become a cesspit
No it’s Zionists realising they are losing the PR battle and now putting the antisemitism stamp on it.
 
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Well no it isn't aimed at a white person because white people weren't doing it. A pointless point. It puts you on a great pedestal that presents yourself as tolerant and taking the appearance of righteousness but it is utterly redundant, it only serves to make you look good rather than commentate on a live situation. A problem with a lot of views these days, not calling the truth for what it is because we're more impressed by perception and massaging that than truth.

The latter point is not bullshit, it is based on lived experience and the types of people chanting rubbish that is or should be anti British values are not as rare or uncommon as made out.

Living in an area that has been utterly changed by immigration has not been a good thing in my life. Not because of inherent "racism" or "xenophobia" or whatever word has been weaponised to freeze discussion and create fear, but because I see the same patterns within other areas of the country I have to visit, such as Birmingham and London that I see around me in daily life here in this part of Manchester.

There is no integration because the government massively overcooked immigration in both legal and illegal routes, enclaves of communities because they're constantly told they don't have to adapt (which is what gives rise to this kind of action videoed) and these bs buzz phrases about diversity being wonderful in and of itself rather than tangible solutions about manageable numbers and how to integrate them to actually make it beneficial.

Rubbish everywhere, oversubscribed public services, infrastructure falling apart because the country wasn't built to sustain it, crime rates. I could go on but I won't because ultimately I feel like a lot of the time people who conveniently ignore this stuff are probably talking from within a detached cul de sac somewhere in Hertfordshire and not speaking sense and are quite happy sleepwalking to a continual decline. Our major cities are a disaster zone unless you're rich and if we carry on with net migration where it is with no plan then you tell me...50 years down the line.
You've fallen for the immigration blame game hook line and sinker for all these issues. A bit of a reality check here - crumbling services and infrastructure as well as rising crime rates have gone up with the most xenophobic government in a generation. We've also faced huge levels of austerity, cronyism and financial mismanagement from the government. You've essentially fallen for the government's deflection game from their own shortcomings.
 

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You've fallen for the immigration blame game hook line and sinker for all these issues. A bit of a reality check here - crumbling services and infrastructure as well as rising crime rates have gone up with the most xenophobic government in a generation. We've also faced huge levels of austerity, cronyism and financial mismanagement from the government. You've essentially fallen for the government's deflection game from their own shortcomings.
Indeed. It's never the tories' fault, always someone else's.

"He got all the big calls right!"

"Imagine how much worse it would be under Corbyn!"

"It's always men of fighting age!"
 
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