acnumber9
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You asked for an example and were given one.so because one ref/var combo wrongly didn't give a penalty it should never be given?
You asked for an example and were given one.so because one ref/var combo wrongly didn't give a penalty it should never be given?
ok and my question still stands... I was actually talking about the Onana Wolves one when I was asking for more like it but that's just crossed wires. If we as fans bitch and moan when a clear penalty isn't given you can't complain it is in a later game as the refs were likely told by their bosses they should be giving that.You asked for an example and were given one.
No one is necessarily arguing about this penalty in isolation. My first post even said its likely a penalty. We are arguing that its never given in other games (not just our own).you'd have to point them out to me from this season as I honestly can't remember another like that one. I'm sorry but you really cannot complain about this penalty being given, your idiot defender has his arm wrapped around Rodri and in the same incident Maguire is wrestling Stones and practically has him in a head lock. They are both penalties, more should be given but don't cry when one so obvious is.
Seems like a convenient excuse to cover for how poor you are doing.
Just be glad you never have to be officiated by Keith Stroud, now he is a truly diabolical ref
yeah its annoying I agreeNo one is necessarily arguing about this penalty in isolation. My first post even said its likely a penalty. We are arguing that its never given in other games (not just our own).
How often do you see them given? You can't give it in one game and not other
The problem comes when you are continually on the wrong end of the inconsistencies. Any time a decision goes in United’s favour it’s non stop whining in the media and it has a knock on effect. As evidenced by you still referencing one game at the start of the season. That was cancelled out in our second game.ok and my question still stands... I was actually talking about the Onana Wolves one when I was asking for more like it but that's just crossed wires. If we as fans bitch and moan when a clear penalty isn't given you can't complain it is in a later game as the refs were likely told by their bosses they should be giving that.
I think some of you need a pallet cleanser, watch some EFL refs, you'll realise how good the prem lot are
There was one in the Chelsea Arsenal game just last week. The same Wolves team had an identical situation vs Leeds last season not given….and guess what. NO FUSS WAS MADE OF EITHER. Same as these situations in the box are never given. The ref didn’t give it. Now VAR only ever comes in when it’s a clear and obvious error. The bar is high for intervention. Obviously the slight arm around the chest of Hojlund was far more clear and obvious than the full in Rugby tackle he received at Arsenal.ok and my question still stands... I was actually talking about the Onana Wolves one when I was asking for more like it but that's just crossed wires. If we as fans bitch and moan when a clear penalty isn't given you can't complain it is in a later game as the refs were likely told by their bosses they should be giving that.
I think some of you need a pallet cleanser, watch some EFL refs, you'll realise how good the prem lot are
Search for these then if you want examples of goalkeepers challenging players (examples of incidents that didn't warrant fouls without weeks-long media frenzies forcing referee and VAR demotions)ok and my question still stands... I was actually talking about the Onana Wolves one when I was asking for more like it but that's just crossed wires. If we as fans bitch and moan when a clear penalty isn't given you can't complain it is in a later game as the refs were likely told by their bosses they should be giving that.
I think some of you need a pallet cleanser, watch some EFL refs, you'll realise how good the prem lot are
Because the VAR is free to pick and choose when to get involved and when not to get involved which simply introduces another level of subjectivity and potential bias.Normally CBA to post about stuff like this but seriously how does VAR review this and not the potential foul on Hojlund when he's through shortly after - surely if the ref is behind the play and doesn't see the way he was pulled back then VAR can review the same way they did for Rodri - as has been said, it's the lack of consistency during a game that's baffling
It's a kill my chances of a big pay day in the desert moment. If the Glazers were paying a referee to go to America to ref games and he came back and gave Utd several decisions like that. There'd be no shortage of complaining.Should start calling him Oiliver from now on.
Same guy who refused to send off Kovacic twice in the same match because apparently it's a "would kill the game" moment.
I think you should look at it again. The ball is clearly going quite a bit over where Rodri would have be able to make his run to.Problem with the penalty today is he can't really win. If he ignores that he'll be getting asked why after. If he gives it its soft.
The ball is going right where the two players would have been so I think he's actually just about right.
What annoys me more is if the City player doesn't do the dramatic dive the ref ignores it. They focus more on the over reaction than the infringement.
Its going to where he's running to. You can argue it is too high for him to reach but the issue is it draws attention to the foul, and then the official is being asked to see Hojlund pulling Rodri down and choose to deliberately ignore it.I think you should look at it again. The ball is clearly going quite a bit over where Rodri would have be able to make his run to.
Seriously take a look at it again and follow the path of the ball + the players. I've watched it 5 times now and there's no way he's reaching where the ball is landing. When that's not the case, then you can't argue it's a clear and obvious error, so imo it's a clear mistake from VAR.Its going to where he's running to. You can argue it is too high for him to reach but the issue is it draws attention to the foul, and then the official is being asked to see Hojlund pulling Rodri down and choose to deliberately ignore it.
There's plenty to pick at with our officials but I'm not sure I'd even have that one high on the list of garbage decisions in our own games, never mind anyone else's. I think its one where if it gets given its a bit unlucky, but you only really have yourselves to blame as the defending team.
There's decisions every week where the officials just seem to completely invent something that never happened, so pretend something that clearly did happen didn't, and this one doesn't come under either of those categories. It was soft but there was a foul there so its running the risk of how the official interprets it.
Do what they do in rugby and punish the first foul? But, here there's at least 4/5 happening all at once, so they're either all fouls or none are.If it’s given in the game, I’m ok with the decision. It’s a foul but to everyone’s point it’s a foul that happens all the time and in 99% of occasions it doesn’t get given…
The fact it wasn’t given but then reviewed makes it worse and that’s where you question the integrity of the decision making…
It’s funny without knowing what the penalty was for and you watch the clip I can see at least 3 or 4 “fouls” from both teams so which one takes precedent over the other… the clear and obvious block on Maguire being one of those fouls that don’t get given but are fouls.
As of yesterday wasn’t going to be hard enough, to be penalised for that and going behind in such a hard game was a kick in the Travellers.
I don’t think now that it’s just sentiment from Utd fans that we get the rough-end of decisions… there are examples every game now which is not acceptable.
The points raised about Michael Oliver and a conflict of interest are legitimate. Shouldn’t be being paid to ref during the premier league season funded by the owners of a participating club. If there was an independent regulator involved it would be called out without question.
You can argue its a clear and obvious error because there is no real definition of what clear and obvious is, and it was a foul, so it falls straight into a grey area where different people will have different opinions. The ball goes into the middle and that's where Rodri is. As soon as you see the first replay its staring you in the face that he's impeded. If the ball goes to the edge of the box or the foul is on the far side of the area its much more likely to get ignored, but the only way it definitely gets ignored is if there is no foul in the first place. You can also argue there isn't much in it and I don't think there was, but again that is interpretive.Seriously take a look at it again and follow the path of the ball + the players. I've watched it 5 times now and there's no way he's reaching where the ball is landing. When that's not the case, then you can't argue it's a clear and obvious error, so imo it's a clear mistake from VAR.
It's super problematic that Oliver apparently also has reffed in UAE. I wouldnt put it past City to have paid for decisions like this to go in their way. 116 charges makes this not far fetched.
So tired and bored of City ruining the game.
I know what pleases him!Classic Oliver. Sees foul as and when it pleases him.
If that happens down the other end, do you think Michael Oliver, Newcastle fan who referees in the UAE in his spare time, who ignored the Romero penalty incident for us with a perfect view and failed to send Kovacic off against Arsenal, intervenes and gives a penalty to United against City?Its going to where he's running to. You can argue it is too high for him to reach but the issue is it draws attention to the foul, and then the official is being asked to see Hojlund pulling Rodri down and choose to deliberately ignore it.
There's plenty to pick at with our officials but I'm not sure I'd even have that one high on the list of garbage decisions in our own games, never mind anyone else's. I think its one where if it gets given its a bit unlucky, but you only really have yourselves to blame as the defending team.
There's decisions every week where the officials just seem to completely invent something that never happened, so pretend something that clearly did happen didn't, and this one doesn't come under either of those categories. It was soft but there was a foul there so its running the risk of how the official interprets it.
Scoreline doesn't even tell half the story. He's 3 meters from every action and gets more or less every key decision wrong.I just saw the scoreline on the internet and thought in my mind that the ref must be Oliver, because it looks like a right mess.
Sees it + a VAR review and still no yellow.Sees the dive in full view but no yellow?
It feels like big name players don't get yellows for diving. They only give them to the lesser lights of the league.Sees the dive in full view but no yellow?
You can't give a yellow with VAR? Red or nothing isn't it.Sees it + a VAR review and still no yellow.
It when you see that, you think what's the fecking point of it, if you can't use it to book a diving cnut like that.
It's a stupid rule.You can't give a yellow with VAR? Red or nothing isn't it.
It's no surprise he's in charge when a game descends into madness like this is.
Luke Shaw got a yellow against Burnley after a counter attack by United would have led to a last man red card. Brought it all the way back to a tackle just outside his own areaYou can't give a yellow with VAR? Red or nothing isn't it.
It's no surprise he's in charge when a game descends into madness like this is.