If one is clear and the other inconclusive, then you go with the clear one.
VAR and Refs | General Discussion | May 15: Premier League clubs to vote on proposal to scrap VAR from next season
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But other pic shows it was in and that’s the point.
That’s why it should never have been disallowed, they went through how many instances to find one v many that shown it was in and ruled it out. You really have to be right above the ball to rule it out imo.
It just can’t be clear and obvious but there’s a strange acceptance that just because a line is involved that a ruling has to be made. If that were an equivalent tackle that they couldn’t quite see properly then there’s no way VAR gets involved imo
Footballers in the studio all have their agenda and I hear what they say and take it with a pinch of salt. Even Gary utters so many erratic and stupid comments.
I respect your opinion but beg to differ.
Is it 100% though? when this was found to be in with actual tech:
https://images.app.goo.gl/UZyet237Dk4NnhDN8
Also seems a bit odd every ground doesn't have the same angles if that's going be used to determine out of play.
Anyway, I think the obvious solution is to go to semi-automated and maybe I'm being a bit biased, but VAR is just starting to grate on me.
It shows it was in, because at the time they froze the frame for that particualr pic, it was in. The pic showing it was out was obviously a few frames later.
If the ball goes out, you will always get pics of it in and pics of it out.
If the ball does not go out, you won't get a pic of it being out.
Yeah, but two wrongs don't make a right, I'm sure you'd agree. Just because they got it wrong against us, doesn't mean they should get it wrong the next time as well.
Specifically for situations where the ball may or may not have been out, I'd be fine in just removing that from the scope of what VAR can decide. They are relatively rare situations anyway, and the differences in camera angles across different stadiums makes it almost impossible to apply it consistently. Unless you could use something similar to goal line technology, I would be fine leaving it up to the ref and the linesmen.
Wasn’t Michael Oliver involved today and with the Ake that was allowed against Fulham? Shocking double standard.I’m struggling to see why that goal was ruled out. It’s almost like VAR went through it with a tooth comb and said to the ref…do you think we could disallow it for this?
Today, the goal v Burnley disallowed for offside…then you look at the Palace goal against us and ask how
Ok, grand. At least we’re disagreeing politely now. I’ll settle for that!Footballers in the studio all have their agenda and I hear what they say and take it with a pinch of salt. Even Gary utters so many erratic and stupid comments.
I respect your opinion but beg to differ.
I’ve not seen this particular incident that is being discussed but I love that these two points even had to be made
Doesn't matter, Maguire clearly attempted to play the ball and therefore is offside according to the rules
I am starting to absolutely hate this shit.
We`ve had 4 goals disallowed now, unless i am missing some more. 4 goals that could have just as easily been given. But they decided, naah, on all 4 occasions. Then you see shit like this, the ball looks every little bit as out as Rashfords, then you have the push from Joelinton. At the same time not even remotely surprised that it is Newcastle that gets these extremely controversial decisions going their way. Hate them.
They're agenda is that they're hyping a product. They won't go after the refereeing standards. They won't go after the ownership biases (besides Gary). It's the same no matter the country. Pundits say things like "I don't know how you can justify not sending off Bruno there but I'm glad they didnt for the good of the game".Footballers in the studio all have their agenda and I hear what they say and take it with a pinch of salt. Even Gary utters so many erratic and stupid comments.
I respect your opinion but beg to differ.
Weird how that all changes when you put the same people on a podcast. Neville, Shearer, Lineker are like different people.
Which VAR didn't do today, the decision was made by the on-field referee
Which pic shows that it is clearly out? I haven`t seen it?
Maguire was offside when the ball was played, as it was a free kick he couldn't have been fouled before he was offside because the ball is not in play
Have they shown the lines for offside? Being in front of the gk, I cant see how Gordon could be onside unless he was behind the ball...
Although Arteta is not someone I like I do think he is doing it right going after VAR. I wish our manager or club weren’t afraid doing that. What Arteta is doing is making sure Arsenal keep getting decisions that favours them. We on other hand can look forward to every game ABU refeering. Just because we don’t say anything.
Post 10.075 of this thread. Overhead at no side angle and you can see grass between the ball and the line.
If the pic has been faked then obviously that's something else.
You want ETH to meltdown on top of this bad form? Because he's absolutely ripped the refs over the hysterically bad decisions United have had in this run, but in a controlled manner.
Arteta and Klopp have embarrassed themselves.
He may have been in an offside position but that does constitute an off-side offence, unless he also performs one of three or four actions.
Attempting to play the ball is one of them. If he was fouled while in an offside position and not attempting to play the ball or challenging a defender for the ball etc then a penalty can be given.
However, as far as I'm concerned swinging your leg when a ball passes somewhere in the vicinity shouldn't really count when you've no realistic chance of connecting with it.
That doesn't show it's out. The ball isn't square. You could go outside and take a similar picture yourself with the ball being in.
Yeah the Rashford one was an awful call too.
I think today the potential foul was the biggest shout for VAR to overturn the goal. The other two were fine.
The ball could be a dodecahedron and it wouldn't make a difference with that angle.
Problem is unless you go half crazy they will laugh at you. We have lost so many points because of refs and VAR so tenHag should be unhappy with that. Arsenal, Tottenham, CP and ManCity. Lost games because of refs and VAR. That is 12 point we could have, with little luck.
That's definitely at an angle.
The ball for the United goal looks in play there. Definitely not over the line, assuming it's even a straight angle (which it isn't).
I didn't say it wasn't.
That's not quite right, if Maguire is offside, which he was, that's means the ball is offically dead, and as such he can't be fouled
I'd love to see a game played with a dodecahedron, I bet we'd still be crap!
You said there was no side angle. There is so it's not conclusive whether it was over the line or not.
I half think there’s some rotten eggs in the referee pool.
We're either looking at different pics or one of us needs to visit an optician I guess.
That's just not true.
We've seen cases where a player in an offside position has been awarded a penalty, like with Harry Kane a few years ago.
https://www.thefa.com/football-rule... player is in an,and the second-last opponent
Maybe so!
For the Rashford one, in the left of post 10075 if thats the right number, if it was straight on then the cross bar would surely be in line with the end line, which it isn't.
So you can foul people as much as you like before a free kick is taken? People should take advantage of this
They do, at every corner and free kick in to the box, and they even get spoken to, ever seen a free kick or a penalty been given before the corner is taken, nope and you never will, because the ball has to be in play before it can be deemed a foul
He wasn't saying he was fouled before the free kick was taken. He's saying he was fouled before he had committed an offside offence.
I don't know if he was fouled as I'd have to watch it back but there is a window of time between when the free kick is taken and he's in an off-side position to when he was deemed to have committed an off-side offence. From the replays they've viewed on the VAR review it seems to be when he swung his leg at the ball.
Clearly in. absolutely.This was in by the way
