Different level of intensity for him today, hell learn from it, but still was better than many others.
37
Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 32
- Goals
- 5
- Assists
- 1
- Yellow cards
- 4
He had some good spells in the game, especially in a passage of play towards the end of the first half when he found 3 forward passes.
He needs a partner though. Persisting with McTominay and expecting Bruno to be disciplined is killing us. With Mainoo keeping the ball the way he does we should be gaining a much better foothold in the midfield than we have in this match and at Goodison.
He needs a partner though. Persisting with McTominay and expecting Bruno to be disciplined is killing us. With Mainoo keeping the ball the way he does we should be gaining a much better foothold in the midfield than we have in this match and at Goodison.
Tough game for him next to McTominay. I must say, I’m a little concerned how slow he looked. He might be the slowest player in the squad and I fear that’s going to hold him back.
Got bullied quite a bit by probably the most physical team in the league... but he was left for dead by his manager and midfield partners. Showed some promise in the first half though.
Needs to be played alongside another player in midfield, one that will sit with him and thought Amrabat would start alongside him at some point.
Thought he showed some nice bits and pieces. Played like a youngster.
Throw one of the class of '92 into this mess and they would struggle.
Thought he showed some nice bits and pieces. Played like a youngster.
Throw one of the class of '92 into this mess and they would struggle.
He's always going to struggle when you have no help in midfield. Eriksen will get the best out of him when he comes back.
He looked a bit off the pace today physically but it's his first week of first team football with 3 tough away days after a lengthy lay off and no pre-season so he's bound to be a bit leggy. I reckon he'll be fine, he just met a very physical and hardworking unit today that I'm sure he'll learn from.
I didn't see the start of the 2nd half, but 1st half he looked fine, then 2nd half he was just having to do off the ball work because no-one could get hold of the ball to combine with him. League apart from our other midfielders. Commentators were typically myopic when they couldn't recognize his own workrate, willingness to pressure the driving CMs and wide FWs of Newcastle basically on his own and consistently tidy, often clever passing, and were lumping him in with the rest of the shambles.
He clearly needs a 2nd CM, a proper one, alongside him. Unless you're prime Kante (and Kante of course was playing minor league football at his age) the single pivot doesn't work without full-backs and your wide forwards also helping you out along with the two 8s covering their defensive responsibilities off the ball (including tracking).
Amazing that this feted multi-millionaire manager with access to all the technical info and staff he needs can't see what not only independent football analyst but randoms on a forum can.... For those blaming injuries, Newcastle's own list should shut down those objections straight away...
He clearly needs a 2nd CM, a proper one, alongside him. Unless you're prime Kante (and Kante of course was playing minor league football at his age) the single pivot doesn't work without full-backs and your wide forwards also helping you out along with the two 8s covering their defensive responsibilities off the ball (including tracking).
Amazing that this feted multi-millionaire manager with access to all the technical info and staff he needs can't see what not only independent football analyst but randoms on a forum can.... For those blaming injuries, Newcastle's own list should shut down those objections straight away...
Hung out to dry.
Missed the game tonight, which sounds like it may have been a blessing. How did Kobbie get on?
An absolute mental midfield pairing against a really good side.
He was fine (at least from what I saw, minus a few minutes after 2nd half kick-off ). You could have stuck any 'top young midfielder' darling of the Tifo class in there, whether Gavi or the PSG kid or Newcastle's Miley, and they wouldn't have done much better, all else being the same.
Roy Keane would've struggled to hold together a "midfield" setup by a dimwit like Erik Ten Hag. It's just setting the kid up for failure
Played reasonably yet completely overrun which shows what Casemiro was dealing with when everyone said he was past it. Even Rodri would have no chance the way we are set up under Ten Hag. I like what I’ve seen so far, he has good composure and should continue to start.
There is no midfield, and it is by design.
This midfield insanity will be thing that gets Ten Hag the sack, and honestly he deserves it for how ludicrous it is.
This midfield insanity will be thing that gets Ten Hag the sack, and honestly he deserves it for how ludicrous it is.
He was okay tonight as well. Not that it was possible for him to do much.
Ok, thanks for that.
Best of our "midfielders", but De Jong himself would have been overrun tonight with the classic Bruno McTominay lack of positional sense/structure.
Looked good, too bad he had to carry the midfield all alone.
Put him along side a proper midfielder and not a pretender like McT and you will see the best of him.
Put him along side a proper midfielder and not a pretender like McT and you will see the best of him.
He's great. I fear we are going to overplay him though. Muscles injuries at his age are terrible for his development. He's already played 3 matches in a week- that's too much for an 18-year old. We really should be careful with him, he could be instrumental for over a decade if we get his game management right.
Would've liked to see him and Amrabat or him and Case in the future. Instead ETH took Mainoo off to bring on Amra.
I feel we need more technical ability and defensive sense to help control games and stop the onslaught of shots and mop up for Bruno. McTom just another ghost performance.
I feel we need more technical ability and defensive sense to help control games and stop the onslaught of shots and mop up for Bruno. McTom just another ghost performance.
Glad to see these comments highlighting both that he was hung out to dry by the manager and awareness that you cannot do it alone, unless you're some kind of superhero midfielder in the mould of Robbo, Matthaeus and the like.
This is the point in the season where ten Hag's bumbling and stubbornness becomes a real concern because it is negligent to put a youngster into the hardest area of the pitch and literally not facilitate him. There'll be no time at all to be supporting a coach when a sole midfielder who is a gem of a player is given no partner when it's one of our own. I do wish to sound precious because it's a different kettle of fish to one of his failed signings. This kid is one of few breaths of fresh air to come out of this season no matter what happens and he needs to be nurtured and protected as such.
Newcastle have the most aggressive and athletic midfield in the league and I had serious concerns about how we were going to handle that before the game kicked off. Turns out, we weren't going to handle it at all, instead having them run amok and tearing us to smithereens leaving Kobbie with far too much work to do. Even in a 50-50 contest with out best midfield, set up properly, there's no assurances we could win that battle, so to have the shambles we did was setting the kid up to fail. His game revolves around passing and moving and recycling the ball and he had nobody to do that with and Joelinton and Bruno G thundering around like a rabid pairing backed up by anyone else in the vicinity. Howe recognised the foibles of our pathetic midfield setup and absolutely nailed it, and the manager made no adjustments to that leaving Mainoo in quicksand. It's not good. Not good at all and that cannot be allowed to happen throughout these upcoming games. Bayern and Liverpool will do the exact same and again, Kobbie runs the risk of being an island.
We had players being hung out to dry by others on the pitch across the team: AWB by Rashford; Garnacho by Dalot, but worst of all was Kobbie, and that's saying something after the 1/10 performance from Rashford that left AWB all out at sea. Those meme-worthy position maps that are going around showing the massive gap between the deep midfielder and everyone else on the other side of the ball tell the story. It's an absolute joke and it needs to end or the sack must come sooner rather than later. I don't know which part of this is Dutch or Ajax, because a primary tenet of both schools of football is the connective tissue through the spine of the team and particularly the midfield. ten Hag should know better than practically any coach of any nationality bar Spanish, the importance of the midfield being able to link up with one another. I hope this is the final nail in the coffin of abandoning the #6 for him, even more so because it's an 18-yr old with not even a handful of games under his belt he's now leaving up shit's creek.
This is the point in the season where ten Hag's bumbling and stubbornness becomes a real concern because it is negligent to put a youngster into the hardest area of the pitch and literally not facilitate him. There'll be no time at all to be supporting a coach when a sole midfielder who is a gem of a player is given no partner when it's one of our own. I do wish to sound precious because it's a different kettle of fish to one of his failed signings. This kid is one of few breaths of fresh air to come out of this season no matter what happens and he needs to be nurtured and protected as such.
Newcastle have the most aggressive and athletic midfield in the league and I had serious concerns about how we were going to handle that before the game kicked off. Turns out, we weren't going to handle it at all, instead having them run amok and tearing us to smithereens leaving Kobbie with far too much work to do. Even in a 50-50 contest with out best midfield, set up properly, there's no assurances we could win that battle, so to have the shambles we did was setting the kid up to fail. His game revolves around passing and moving and recycling the ball and he had nobody to do that with and Joelinton and Bruno G thundering around like a rabid pairing backed up by anyone else in the vicinity. Howe recognised the foibles of our pathetic midfield setup and absolutely nailed it, and the manager made no adjustments to that leaving Mainoo in quicksand. It's not good. Not good at all and that cannot be allowed to happen throughout these upcoming games. Bayern and Liverpool will do the exact same and again, Kobbie runs the risk of being an island.
We had players being hung out to dry by others on the pitch across the team: AWB by Rashford; Garnacho by Dalot, but worst of all was Kobbie, and that's saying something after the 1/10 performance from Rashford that left AWB all out at sea. Those meme-worthy position maps that are going around showing the massive gap between the deep midfielder and everyone else on the other side of the ball tell the story. It's an absolute joke and it needs to end or the sack must come sooner rather than later. I don't know which part of this is Dutch or Ajax, because a primary tenet of both schools of football is the connective tissue through the spine of the team and particularly the midfield. ten Hag should know better than practically any coach of any nationality bar Spanish, the importance of the midfield being able to link up with one another. I hope this is the final nail in the coffin of abandoning the #6 for him, even more so because it's an 18-yr old with not even a handful of games under his belt he's now leaving up shit's creek.
Yes. It looked like he was running in sand. I am hoping its just heavy legs after what must have been an exhausting week, and coming back from a rather long injury, but feck me he looked glacial today.
Even Case can't hold that midfield. How do ETH expect Mainoo to do that.
Yup he looks even slower than Eriksen.
Agree with all of this. It's borderline malpractice the tactics Ten Hag has been employing, and hilarious that so many still give him the excuse of injuries when even if we had a fully fecking fit squad the setup is a complete joke. Continuing this Scott McTominay love affair, ESPECIALLY now that Mainoo is back in the fold, is a joke worthy decision and downright sackable on it's own. Amrabat or Hannibal needs to play next to him, as both would at least offer somewhat of a positional sense and work rate defensively instead of just loafing around waiting for the chance to crash into the box and get a shot off.
I've said it time and time again that a)he isn't out savior and b)he's not quite ready yet to be a starter, and here we are.
Newcastle played through Unitedss Midfield like a hot knife through butter, easy and did it time and time again.
He isn't ready quite simply and paired with McT it just isn't going to work.
An absolute fantastic player and will be amazing or sure next season, but this season is to soon for him.
Newcastle played through Unitedss Midfield like a hot knife through butter, easy and did it time and time again.
He isn't ready quite simply and paired with McT it just isn't going to work.
An absolute fantastic player and will be amazing or sure next season, but this season is to soon for him.
Agree with that.
Absolutely suicidal and ridiculous to put the kid in there on his own. Newcastle had runners coming from all angles and even if he was a seasoned pro he'd struggle to deal with it on his own. Feel sorry for him, he's a good player, but he was totally hung out to dry yesterday.
As others have said he was pretty much left on his own in the midfield both when he had the ball and when he didn't. The only times when we had any semblance of decent possession was when he was on the ball and Bruno dropped in next to him. They actually kept the ball for a little bit. Unfortunately with the injuries to Case and Eriksen there is no one who we can put next to him that is comfortable on the ball and even with those 2 Eriksen would also get bullied. As it stands we have to play Mctominay which means we have to give up on the ideanof controlling a midfield as he is too technically deficient. Its more a limitation of the squad than anything. Mainoo did well (great when you consider his age and away to Newcastle). He held his own which is more that can be said for all the other midfielders who have played away at Newcastle.
Before he debuted, I posted elsewhere that we might really need to ease him in until Licha, Shaw, and Casemiro were all fit, as otherwise the responsibility of holding the whole midfield together and progressing the ball would be too big a burden to lump on top of an 18 year old. We kind of got away with it against Everton.
Obviously we can't just wait around for a clean bill of health that might never come, so we're gonna have to find a way to get the kid some help. I wonder if Ten Hag is hesitant to start Amrabat alongside him as he only has two DMs and both are barely fit. If that's the case, then we probably need to reign in McTominay and drop a winger for an extra midfielder - assuming we have one somewhere.
Obviously we can't just wait around for a clean bill of health that might never come, so we're gonna have to find a way to get the kid some help. I wonder if Ten Hag is hesitant to start Amrabat alongside him as he only has two DMs and both are barely fit. If that's the case, then we probably need to reign in McTominay and drop a winger for an extra midfielder - assuming we have one somewhere.
You have said a lot of things time and time again tbh and plenty of nonsense .
Not the fastest in the middle but that's not his game. Needs a midfield partner like Casemiro.
He's been good but not the saviour thst ETH's **** said he'd be. Not even Mainoo can save this awful system.
We get it, you hate ETH
You don't have to bring him up to play down a promising young player. Our fans are fecking wild.
Mainoo needs midfield players to pass the ball to (and receive passes from), as well as to share defensive burden with. But he has McTominay instead
What are people expecting when ETH throws this exceptionally talented young kid into a team set up like that?
It’s pretty clear by now, that ETH doesn’t want to put out a solid midfield and only want to deploy one holding midfielder, with the FB’s tucking in to lend support.
He left Casemiro hung out to dry in the last couple of months of last season and now an inexperience, 18 yr old Mainoo is being asked to do the same.
Totally Crazy.
It’s pretty clear by now, that ETH doesn’t want to put out a solid midfield and only want to deploy one holding midfielder, with the FB’s tucking in to lend support.
He left Casemiro hung out to dry in the last couple of months of last season and now an inexperience, 18 yr old Mainoo is being asked to do the same.
Totally Crazy.
Imo his performance yesterday was kinda expected. Against a much better midfield than the likes of Everton and Galatasaray he actually did better than I expected. He didn't make any mistake despite being outnumbered massively and that's pretty good imo. Could keep the ball even pressed by 2,3 players and made some nice passes forward. Nothing great though.
Tbf if he could boss the midfield yesterday he's probably already the best midfielder in the league. No midfielder in the world would do that alone against such quality side imo. We had multiple huge tactical issues yesterday and it's totally on ETH.
Tbf if he could boss the midfield yesterday he's probably already the best midfielder in the league. No midfielder in the world would do that alone against such quality side imo. We had multiple huge tactical issues yesterday and it's totally on ETH.
I think Mctominay is a bigger issue then Mainoo.
He's 18 what do you expect.
I like McT and he definitely has his uses, but playing him alongside Mainoo is almost suicidal.
It didn't help Mainoo at all.