Yes you are right, I wasn’t looking at an update table. My bad
Casemiro (Out)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Or just illustrates that we aren’t a bad off as people line to make out. Look at Chelsea.
Is the glass half empty or half full?
To be fair, the way we've been mugged off by some posters you'd think we're 15 points off top 4.
We'll be 9th and 10 points off top 4 after West Ham beat us.
Chelsea have been better than the table suggests (5th by xg etc). We're the opposite.Or just illustrates that we aren’t a bad off as people line to make out. Look at Chelsea.
Is the glass half empty or half full?
We've been mugged off by the players and manager.
Sure. It's still outstanding that despite this accusation, we are aren't a mile off the top with an injury plagued squad, a completely uncertain ownership situation, our top scorer being completely out of form and a couple of other side distractions with Antony & Sancho.
How have I got this completely wrong. I'll bow out from that talk nowWe are a mile off the top (13 points tomorrow). Don't let grinding out a few wins against the bottom 6 fool you.
I understand your relentless negativity, but I won't go into tomorrow thinking we've lost before a ball is kicked.
In any case - if other clubs had the injuries we did, I can imagine them losing a lot more points. Pep losing Rodri or Haaland and Ange losing a couple of his key players are testament to that, albeit over less gameweeks.
Thats the spirit
Happy New Year.
More than you believe.
City's best player has been missing all season.
Dread to think where we'll be by then.
And you think thats worse than the shit we dealt with? We don't even have a midfielder close to that calibre.
But not better in what really matters…amassing points.
Chelsea, or us, missing sitters and thus having a low xG, is an interesting conversation, but what’s vastly more interesting is where each club is in the table. This is a race to the finish line, not a beauty contest.
If we get a decent offer for either of Varane or Casemiro & turn it down for ‘a very respectable league finish and an FA cup.’ then we might aswell fold as an institution.Don’t be daft, it’s still half to play. We could get a very respectable league finish and an FA cup.
Malpractise
We have Dalot, Lindelof, Maguire, McT, Martial, Sancho etc and dare I say Onana who should all be sold before Cas and Rapha.
I would give them another season after this. Add some young exciting talent to their experience. Build some momentum instead of ripping everything apart every few years.
EtH’s starting 11s are often full of players from the Jose period, what is daft is saying we rip things up every few years.
Where will we be after the next 3? Liverpool and Wham aways, and Villa home.6th is mid table now? We are 3pts off the top 4
Quite a way off 4th I'd guess.
The cup is definitely full when comparing to Chelsea, they're in an absolute mess, being well behind us, having spent about 4 times the amount.Or just illustrates that we aren’t a bad off as people line to make out. Look at Chelsea.
Is the glass half empty or half full?
And have a squad that makes ours look brimming with balance and quality.
My evening is brightened knowing they're worse off at least.
Yep it's all we have.
Like falling in a puddle full of oil, but glad it wasn't horse sh!te.
We should be taking any big Saudi money while we can. Liverpool will likely sell Salah in the summer for mega money and be in a great position FFP wise.
What would a decent offer for either one be ??
Paying all their wages would be a start.
I don’t like banding around transfer fees as, let’s be honest we don’t actually know exactly what people pay but if we hit the lottery & Saidi offered us enough to buy a younger player that fits a revised timeline whilst removing the wage I think the club has to take it.
That's the best case scenario in my mind ... Saudi paying a fee & picking up their wages would be a good deal.
I think we bought him for £60m+£10m add ons on a 4 year contract. If we assume £60m then his book value is £37.5m by January. Anything close to that would be a great offer to get us out out of it.
Casemiro could still offer the team something if he could get back to full fitness this season. But he wouldn`t be the first 30+ player to quickly lose a lot when injuries starts coming. And to have a situation where we have a player on huge wages that can`t perform to his highest level is far too familiar. Far from ideal.
If we could get a decent bid in january it should definitely be considered.
If we could get a decent bid in january it should definitely be considered.
It will be interesting to see how active the Saudi's are in the January window. He is a perfect fit for them.
The ‘sell all the players’ perspective is a zero sum game in the end, I’m not really sure what people expect to happen if we replace all our current players with different players who aren’t as good, in the hope one day they can be as good as or better than the players we currently have. Despite knowing that most don’t ever fulfil their potential.
If people don’t like this bunch, I can’t imagine how they’ll feel about another expensively assembled bunch of failures.
A zero sum end game is thinking me wanting to sell Varane &/or Casemiro amounts to ‘sell all the players’.
Maybe you missed the subsequent post, one above yours, where I say he’s sale should result in a purchase.
I wasn't referring to your post, I was referring to the people that are insistent things will improve if we just sell most of our players. As for Casemiro and Varane, they both should be sold to Saudi Arabia if we can. Cash in and buy some players that actually want it.
So we sell Cas and Rapha, what will we win?
We are a football club. We play football to WIN. feck ffp. feck money. Let’s win football matches, these players (especially Casemiro) will help us do that.
We haven't been playing the feckers anyway. What do we lose? If we can get, ssy, Todibo and Andre, ghat would be much better than zero.
A finished Casemiro won't help us do anything next season and beyond. We've seen enough since March. Unfortunately you need money to buy better players and the £30m+ a season Casemiro costs us could be far better spent.
I’ve said the season is done, we aren’t winning anything with or without them.
If the chance to cash in & purchase other players arises the club would be imbecilic to not do so.
You don’t keep them around in the small hopes of ‘a very respectable league finish and an FA cup.’, that’s the epitome of daft.
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Can't say will be sad to see him go. Decent player but we didn't see anything like his best days. I hope the offer is big for us too though, shouldn't just give him away.
Hes the only quality we have in CM and I can't see us signing well if we let him go.