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Casemiro (Out)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
Get Neves or someone with the money. If it doesn’t work out we keep trying. He’s the best gettable midfield prospect at the moment. That guarantees us nothing but we should at least be able to get a decent fee for younger players later on if they don’t work out. We got lucky Saudi have a bottomless pit for big names.
i do think we should keep Casemiro and Varane until the end of the season unless we have replacements that are gettable in January.
i do think we should keep Casemiro and Varane until the end of the season unless we have replacements that are gettable in January.
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I do hope that it is BS. He is our best midfielder, ffs.
But it would be so United. Selling proven winners like Casemiro and Varane while keeping players with weak mentality (and quality).
But it would be so United. Selling proven winners like Casemiro and Varane while keeping players with weak mentality (and quality).
Only if we get a quality replacement. Which we wont so there's no point selling him in Jan.
Yeah, It does make sense to let them go if there are players to replace them available. If that's the case get the wages off the books and give the new signings the 6 months to bed in for next season.
We're probably going to see them leave only for another late scramble to get a couple of loan deals done before deadline day.
Makes sense selling our two only players who are serial winners and who are probably our best defender and our best midfielder?
At this point, FFP requirements probably make us lean towards the sale, we over paid for him and if we can clear the remaining book value and take his wages off the books for the next 3 years we should.
He's an excellent player in the right system, but I'm not sure that he's the right profile for EtH long term.
He's an excellent player in the right system, but I'm not sure that he's the right profile for EtH long term.
He's an asset if used wisely but he needs legs alongside him.
A central midfield with Casemiro and Mainoo in it plus A.N. Other could potentially be very good. Maybe you could put Amrabat as a screen and then Casemiro in a freer role and Mainoo as well.
I know that Amrabat has been underwhelming so far but giving him a little more stability in there might see an improvement. I'm sure that long term someone like Gore might well come in and take up that role.
A central midfield with Casemiro and Mainoo in it plus A.N. Other could potentially be very good. Maybe you could put Amrabat as a screen and then Casemiro in a freer role and Mainoo as well.
I know that Amrabat has been underwhelming so far but giving him a little more stability in there might see an improvement. I'm sure that long term someone like Gore might well come in and take up that role.
Sell sell sell
Stings in the short term but I am an advocate of getting rid of the ridiculously high earners. Casemiro was a defacto panic buy that worked out last season but his legs have gone, we need to sell high now or be stuck with that wage for another 3 years.
If we can get a decent fee for him it would be stupid to not sell him.
He’s important player for us and was important last season so I will keep him, but if they actually offer £55m fees then we should sell because he’s already 31 (going to be 32 in February) and we can easily use that cash to find his replacement (after INEOS came)
He has that thing of ''needing 4-5 games to come into form'' and then gets suspended or injured and then again ''needs 4-5 games''. He ''needs 4-5 games'' at the start of a new season too. A well run club would have sold him to Bayern when they were naive enough to show some interest, which we are pretty far from.
They aren't really, if younger more reliably fit players are available and attainable, then they can piss off. Plus they're on about 600k a week combined.
There is no point in selling him as we'll be short in that area next season with McTominay being shit, Eriksen with an even older body and Armabat having no clue.
I think the idea would be to buy an upgrade should he go, that's generally what happens.
I fear that we're not an attractive proposition for top players anymore. At best we'd someone similar just at the end of his peak.
Casemiro is already settled in England and might give us 2 or 3 good seasons if managed properly.
missing sitters doesn’t impact xG
Varane’s legs had gone just a matter of weeks ago.
We don't need to look at the top players at the top teams.
Plenty of other players that will happily join United and be a better option then Casemiro currently is.
As good as he can be, he is a reliability in terms of availability.
We need to stop buying over 30 players. We need to be looking at younger players and less established, lower cost and possibly higher risk, its how we build a squad for the future.
There’s a reason though - they’re the ones other teams bid for. Not like they’re queuing up for the likes of Martial and Lindelof.
We can splash that Casemiro money on Palinha... He is that perfect destroyer sitting back and letting midfielders move around him. But if we cannot get a decent replacement, it makes absolutely no sense to sell Casemiro. I know his legs are gone but we are now only in 2 competitions which will give him enough time to rest and recuperate.
This is where I'm leaning as well. I really like him, but we need more agile, younger and more hungry players.
Casemiro is who you buy if he's the last piece of the puzzle, we shouldn't buy 30+ expensive players as stopgaps.
50-60m for stuffed cheeks in January? We should be all over that.
Then I require an explanation of the relevance of "xG". If I'm three yards out in front of an open net with the nearest defender 20 yards behind me -- by any definition a "sitter" -- shouldn't the xG be something like 0.999?
Yeah, so you'd have a high xG and low goals scored. If you're xG is higher than your goals scored, that's the indicator your missing sitters, not the xG being low. xG being low would mean you're creating poor scoring chances or not enough at all.
If you miss the chance or not the xG is the same
Only if the miss doesn't cause a rebound and a new attempt. If it does you get a higher xG (combined probability for the original shot + rebound but never above 1 since it's the same attack) than if there's no rebound.
Wait until he comes back and plays a blinder just like Varane on Saturday. Half the posters will disappear just like Sunday .
And like Varane people shouldn't get excited about one game.
Varane is class one of my favourite players .
Was class v Bayern too in fairness, as he was for 90% of last season.
Hardly “one game”.
I don't have strong opinions on Varane either way but what kind of barometer was Sunday? Backs against the wall can't and won't be our approach in almost all other games.
Tuanzebe looked like the dog's bollocks away vs PSG. Being a CB in a double decker is completely different to being a CB in an attack-minded formation.
He's always been overrated for me and injured far too often. Hopefully he backs it up with another good display on Saturday.
Should be sold if we can though like Casemiro.
In the unlikely event we could recoup much of what we paid for him I would be flogging him. However, he does seem to be written off prematurely, he started the season badly but I can't imagine many midfielders would have coped with the level of work placed on them by ten hags laughably poor tactical plan let alone one who is getting on a bit
Why would we sell our best midfielder especially when we're not exactly flush with quality alternatives.
Stick him alongside Mainoo, who will provide the legs and watch him thrive. Out of principle we should refuse to deal with the Saudis as it might be tempting to get a big bag of cash today, but eventually that will lead to even stupider transfer fees for everyone.
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Stick him alongside Mainoo, who will provide the legs and watch him thrive. Out of principle we should refuse to deal with the Saudis as it might be tempting to get a big bag of cash today, but eventually that will lead to even stupider transfer fees for everyone.
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The offer might not be there in next Summer. And the cycle of "we should get rid of these high paid old always injured players, and get young hungry ones" would continue.
Also, we might left with unmotivated players if we block their "once in a lifetime, retirement" move.
Imagine using a one game wonder like Tuanzebe in a Varane argument
When the manager got rid of Incey, Robbo, Sparky and Kanchelskis around 94-1995, Keane, Butt, Scholes, Beckham etc. stepped up. But they were able to step up because there were still experienced players able to take the burden of responsibility and pressure: Eric, Brucey, Pally, Irwin etc.
When the manager got rid of Ruud in 2006, Rooney and Ronaldo stepped up. But again, this was facilitated by the fact we had experienced veterans such as Giggsy, Scholesy, Neville etc. to guide the way.
Now we look set to get rid of experienced yet aging winners with warrior mentalities with nobody to occupy their position in the squad of similar status. Mistake me if I’m wrong, but should Varane and Cas be canned, our most experienced players and dressing room leaders would be: Maguire, Bruno, Shaw and Rashford.
All I can say is “yikes”. Our squad development is really confused. I understand that we can only get back to challenging for the league gradually and it will not happen overnight. But if the aim is to build a young and hungry team then the recruitment needs to be spot on.
When the manager got rid of Ruud in 2006, Rooney and Ronaldo stepped up. But again, this was facilitated by the fact we had experienced veterans such as Giggsy, Scholesy, Neville etc. to guide the way.
Now we look set to get rid of experienced yet aging winners with warrior mentalities with nobody to occupy their position in the squad of similar status. Mistake me if I’m wrong, but should Varane and Cas be canned, our most experienced players and dressing room leaders would be: Maguire, Bruno, Shaw and Rashford.
All I can say is “yikes”. Our squad development is really confused. I understand that we can only get back to challenging for the league gradually and it will not happen overnight. But if the aim is to build a young and hungry team then the recruitment needs to be spot on.