I'd imagine it would be Nick Cox the Academy Director looks at the overall changes needing to be implemented and those above sanctioning them.
Club Sale | It’s done!
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Why does Jamie Jackson end every single tweet with ellipses?
Definitely!
The trouble is that in the social media age one isn’t allowed to believe more than one thing at a time.
I can’t stand Moyes, hated it when he was appointed and rejoiced when he was sacked.
I also had no problem with the notion that he was shockingly badly served by United’s recruitment people. The panic buys of Fellaini (suggested by the manager in the absence of alternatives) and Mata (selling club keen to get rid), along with the Herrera debacle, set the template for most of our subsequent transfer business.
You can really seperate the fee from the player. The abuse Anthony gets is directly linked to the fee.
And if coaching was simply “manager has squad of players . he coaches them and anything else is irrelevant” you would have a point.
Anything else in this scenario includes injuries , 2 players scandals, not getting players team needs, not selling players manager clearly doesn’t want (so being stuck with disgruntled players) , clearly dysfunctional football infrastructure that makes a managers job harder and a club that’s been for sale for a year so has no clear future.
You can’t coach players well or to the best of your/theirs in this sort of toxic environment.
So when you say “he’s not good enough” you are judging him without factoring in real issues , many unique to our club.
Murtough isn't good enough and has had too many blemishes despite being in the role for such a short period of time. When he's demoted with a competent individual in his position the club will leapfrog it's strategic dynamic because both Mitchell and Ashworth have used one word we have yet to see John speak about in depth and that's vision.
It's infuriating when people do that. Usually it's people who are not very bright.
Were Liverpool really in that much a better state at the time though? I guess they came close to a PL win but they weren't structurally playing for titles like United were at the time. Correct me if I'm wrong. He seemed to change everything, something I think (some) people also expected from EtH. Think he could have done the same at United. That Disneyland remark really soured him I guess
Article is diving into details but largely what most here have known for a long time. Structure needs to change, that much is clear. But I am curious if EtH will keep his job.
How long will the restructure take?
Are fans willing to give EtH time while this restructuring takes place?
If so, what timeline would be acceptable for the fanbase for United to get back where they were?
How will the club and fans deal with disappointing results / play during that time?
Interesting times. Certainly curious if Ratcliffe is the one to have a proper structure in place. For all you know it is going from one shitshow to the other...
For suspense...
I haven't patronised you, and if you feel like I did, then I'm sorry. I just feel that you don't come on here to discuss things but rather want to start a pointless argument over things you have very little knowledge about. And 'rest defense' is a descriptive term, that's originated from Germany, and you shouldn't allow your own insecurity to bring out the worst in yourself on a football forum.
Whatever pal, you do you and carry on with your patronizing manner, which quite frankly is embarrassing.
Will just leave you with a few more explanations of 'Rest Defense' and yes, these were found on Google, probably from websites that you love to regurgitate also.
Rest defence is a tactical term we use to describe the attacking team's structure
Rest defence refers to the defensive structure that “rests” (remains static)
Rest-defence' is another translation of a German word – 'Restverteidigung'. This refers to how a team's structure in possession allows them to immediately defend upon losing the ball.
Note the term 'Structure' in all definitions.
But of course, I'm always wrong,
And yes, that does describe a rest defense structure which is different to what Cruyff used to coach in a era where dropping in between the lines, rather than proactively attempting to press high up the pitch with the aim of forcing high turnovers was the way to go. So Cruyff allowed the likes of Romario and Stoichkov freedom out of possession, whilst the rest of the team dropped deeper in between the defensive and midfield lines to compact space. So there wasn't a rest defense structure because there wasn't a aggressive press to begin with. The EPL right now is the most brutal league in Europe imo when it comes to transitioning with speed. So if the idea is to play the game in the opponent's half, then having players occupying deeper spaces at the back, both at CB and midfield need to have both the technical, physical and athletic ability control or contain transitions. The Germans refer to that as the players in the resting phase in defense.
How long will the restructure take? - structure can be put in place quickly, but it can take time before it starts to yield results and benefits. It won't change things overnight in terms of performances.Were Liverpool really in that much a better state at the time though? I guess they came close to a PL win but they weren't structurally playing for titles like United were at the time. Correct me if I'm wrong. He seemed to change everything, something I think (some) people also expected from EtH. Think he could have done the same at United. That Disneyland remark really soured him I guess
Article is diving into details but largely what most here have known for a long time. Structure needs to change, that much is clear. But I am curious if EtH will keep his job.
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Interesting times. Certainly curious if Ratcliffe is the one to have a proper structure in place. For all you know it is going from one shitshow to the other...
Are fans willing to give EtH time while this restructuring takes place? - hell no, some already want him out out, others will if we lose on Saturday. It's 2023, delivery is now, patience is zero, where's my phone etc.
If so, what timeline would be acceptable for the fanbase for United to get back where they were? Realistically it will take 2-3 years I would guess to cycle the squad through properly due to FFP etc, after they have a plan in place. We should see improvements over that time, but it's a very competitive landscape so it could take even longer to become back to the top, if we ever can given state funding etc. If the likes of City get properly controlled it could be within 5 years optimistically.
How will the club and fans deal with disappointing results / play during that time? The fans? -The same as usual, we've had practice. Cry, piss, moan, blame the Glazers, argue with each other on RedCafe and take the piss out of City. The Club? With a proper board in place it should be sticking to a plan.
Klopp is a football genius and no-nonsense type of manager. After meeting Ed and Murtough, he knew instantly that these two are idiots and know nothing about football structure. He wouldn't want to work with people and club like this. He knew he had better chances to success in Liverpool. The rest as they say is history.Were Liverpool really in that much a better state at the time though? I guess they came close to a PL win but they weren't structurally playing for titles like United were at the time. Correct me if I'm wrong. He seemed to change everything, something I think (some) people also expected from EtH. Think he could have done the same at United. That Disneyland remark really soured him I guess
Article is diving into details but largely what most here have known for a long time. Structure needs to change, that much is clear. But I am curious if EtH will keep his job.
How long will the restructure take?
Are fans willing to give EtH time while this restructuring takes place?
If so, what timeline would be acceptable for the fanbase for United to get back where they were?
How will the club and fans deal with disappointing results / play during that time?
Interesting times. Certainly curious if Ratcliffe is the one to have a proper structure in place. For all you know it is going from one shitshow to the other...
When you asked Ed and Murtough to convince a highly reputable manager in world football to join the club it was destined to fail, 100%. Klopp is not Ole, washed up Jose, Moyes or dinosaur LVG.
If it’s confirmed before Christmas Day we need someone (or AI) to create an image of Jim as Father Christmas, Brailsford & Co as his elves and the Florida Goblins (not an NFL franchise) bulging out of his sack.
Get rid of Murtough.
INEOS, a great bunch of lads
True...
Infuriating is an understatement… the more you read, the worse it gets.https://theathletic.com/5151315/2023/12/22/manchester-united-fotball-news-transfers
Pretty infuriating read. Hopefully a big change is coming, because it's needed. Arnold and Murtough were acting like headless chickens, to no one's surprise. The worst part of the article for me is that we ditched the plans for both Kane and Rice because of Casemiro.
You’d actually struggle to feck it up that much even if you were actively trying?! the bids, the increases, the choice of players, the change of players!
Surprised that the Glazers didn’t try and get someone decent involved… not because they have any love for the club but because if it was done correctly (cheaper, better outcomes), they could’ve taken even more out.
It‘s like the bit from Blackadder goes forth… “I’ve wanted to see how a football club was run SOOOOO badly”… “well you’ve come to the right place”.
Because he will then post something with the continuation like this if it ever happens:
"...this now confirmed by my sources at Ineos this morning "
To make him look like it's one piece of info and he was ahead of the curve
#AnnounceRatcliffe
That article is damning.The last 10 years really have been shocking, now we know why.
that Athletic article is a damning read, it's like no one is on the same wavelength behind the scenes, our transfer policy is all over the place just scattergun. Once INEOS get in, they should show Murtough the door. The club is playing catch up
It's a hatchet job. Someone wanted him gone from the club and has probably succeeded.
Why respond if you didn't even read my post.
With Antony my point was that the manager decided he was good enough to play for the club. So taking the fee out of the question that's still a big mistake given he worked with him closely
On your second point, the point I made was that although the lack of a competent sporting structure is the biggest issue, it doesn't mean ten hag couldn't be doing better.
Throughout the whole of this season we have seen consistent issues with the team e.g. how easy it is to play through our midfield and he has done little to address them
That does not reflect the tone of the Athletic article. I found it very damning. Luckhurst knows feck all
I see. I am guessing his success rate is about 10% on that.
Where is the feedback coming from? other failed upper management at the club? laughable
Throughout the last 10 years we have seen the same consistent issues regardless of managers. That’s not a manager thing.
I’m not saying he couldn’t be doing better, I’m just not sure what that means or what it looks like. I also don’t know how much other factors are affecting the team , so while I say I believe they are causing issues, I don’t know to what extent. So I’m not sure what is a reasonable expectation for ETH.
Aggregators are awful, can‘t even be arsed to spell his name right.
And Luckhurst knows jack… seems to revel in hating United and taking swipes at us whenever he can. Probably just stirring now, especially as he got called out recently.
It is not a coincidence that the article pops up now, potentially close to the announcement. It is to prepare the fans for change and to have them on board
theres no way on gods green earth that any elite performance director like Ashworth would come to Utd with all the baggage it brings and have to answer to Murtough. that athletic article has a whiff of the same shenanigans coming from the covid inquiry and what happened behind the scenes at no 10. lots of people over promoted and behaving like spoilt brats.
Trust me it will take INEOS and Blanc a month or two tops to see how inept Murtough is. He’ll linger for a bit but be swiftly moved on.
Funny bit from that report is Ole signing off on the Amad signing, assuming he's a youth team signing... Only to then find out the fee later and realize he was expected to have a first team impact
That athletic article just confirms everything that’s been levelled at murtough. Our worst ever transfer negotiator.
I was even right about the fletcher appointment being solely a PR exercise to make the Murtough appointment more palatable to fans.
Need to get rid of the black hole. He’s like a shifty little barnacle stuck on the hull
I was even right about the fletcher appointment being solely a PR exercise to make the Murtough appointment more palatable to fans.
Need to get rid of the black hole. He’s like a shifty little barnacle stuck on the hull
He's like a roach, impossible to get rid of... Betting the only reason he might be staying is because Glazers need a puppet/mole ..
That is exactly it. He knows he has no competence at the role but he befriends the glazers and acts as their spy at carrington. And he leaks stuff to plebs like Luckhurst so they big him up in the press.
What I want to see is a long and open interview with Ratcliffe where he offers genuine transparency on what the agreement consists of (football control etc) and for him to layout a reasonably detailed plan about what will change going forward.
I can't imagine it'd be that difficult for him to offer this in a way that doesn't shit on the Glazers, which obviously he cannot do.
I can't imagine it'd be that difficult for him to offer this in a way that doesn't shit on the Glazers, which obviously he cannot do.
Get that prick Murtough out. I'm blaming him for a lot of the shambles that's been occurring.
Today's the day
Lukchurst is all the moons god tier reliable.
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