[doomy20]

I can’t even remember a GK having so much howlers/goals directly conceded by an individual error in just half a season. Feels like every third game or so.

But that’s not even my problem. My problem is that apartment from that he just seems so average, feels like as soon as a shot, header, cross is good/great it’s in. Awareness, shot stoping, claiming crosses everything looks and feels midtablish and average. I really like the dude as a person but his abilities right now look very very limited.

 

[CoopersDream]

I didn't think he was at fault for either goal. Quite good distribution again as well. A good save in the second half as well, although it looked a bit awkward.

 

[simplyared]

Both goals down to him yesterday. The 1st definately! On both occasions he sticks to his line and is passive. A keepers instinct should take him off that line as in both cases it's an area he should be owning. Could be he lacks courage. If that's the case we're in trouble!

 

[Oranges038]

Both goals down to him yesterday. The 1st definately! On both occasions he sticks to his line and is passive. A keepers instinct should take him off that line as in both cases it's an area he should be owning. Could be he lacks courage. If that's the case we're in trouble!

Wtf could he do about the second?

It was a free back post header put right between 3 defenders for a tap in. What could he do there to change the outcome? Literally every player in the box was asleep or ball watching.

 

[Kostov]

Crap GK with another 2 dodgy goals conceded. He needs to be benched and sold, he excels at absolute nothing and is a liability.

 

[RedRocket9908]

The boo's last night when he had the ball were a disgrace, he did absolutely nothing wrong in the match

 

[TrustInJanuzaj]

Crap GK with another 2 dodgy goals conceded. He needs to be benched and sold, he excels at absolute nothing and is a liability.

This is honestly pathetic. At least be honest with yourself. What an earth can he do with the second goal.

 

[lex talionis]

The ball hit the turf two yards in front of the goal line and was well within the range of a keeper to claim.

As a shot stopper, Onana had a great game. 2-3 or three excellent saves or at least challenging saves he should have made that he did make. But his command of the box, one of the two main reasons we brought him in, continues to be atrocious. There’s no excuse for the first goal. As for the other powerful attribute, his footwork, had nothing to to with us going behind or coming from behind to win the game.

 

[V.O.]

The first one is a mistake, but it's an understandable one. Looks like he misjudges the flight slightly and thinks the big Villa lad jumping at the near post was getting to it (and if he had, would have got to it far before Onana rushing out), and then there are two Villa players an inch away from getting a touch in the middle, so he can't sell out and commit to diving back post either. The result is that he just kind of stands there, and it's soft, but a goal that we've seen plenty of other keepers concede to a cross curled into the back post with runners across it.

And obviously, anybody blaming him for that second one is just showing themselves up as an agenda poster.

 

[Oranges038]

The ball hit the turf two yards in front of the goal line and was well within the range of a keeper to claim.

As a shot stopper, Onana had a great game. 2-3 or three excellent saves or at least challenging saves he should have made that he did make. But his command of the box, one of the two main reasons we brought him in, continues to be atrocious. There’s no excuse for the first goal. As for the other powerful attribute, his footwork, had nothing to to with us going behind or coming from behind to win the game.

If you can't see the impact his ability on the ball has on the team as a whole, it might be time for you to stop watching football.

 

[led_scholes]

He is not to blame for the first goal. That position is the most dangerous and best position for fouls. It was the perfect kick from the villa player.

 

[evil_geko]

Both goals down to him yesterday. The 1st definately! On both occasions he sticks to his line and is passive. A keepers instinct should take him off that line as in both cases it's an area he should be owning. Could be he lacks courage. If that's the case we're in trouble!

It never stops.

 

[RedRocket9908]

The first one is a mistake, but it's an understandable one. Looks like he misjudges the flight slightly and thinks the big Villa lad jumping at the near post was getting to it (and if he had, would have got to it far before Onana rushing out), and then there are two Villa players an inch away from getting a touch in the middle, so he can't sell out and commit to diving back post either. The result is that he just kind of stands there, and it's soft, but a goal that we've seen plenty of other keepers concede to a cross curled into the back post with runners across it.

And obviously, anybody blaming him for that second one is just showing themselves up as an agenda poster.

On the first he clearly thinks the attacker is going to get a touch and that influences his position and as said attacker was offside that should have been ruled out anyway.

On the 2nd there is nothing he can do, the defence should have done better

 

[Annihilate Now!]

Second goal is not on him obviously - but he should be doing much better for the first, and to absolve him of that does him a massive disservice.

He's a professional goalkeeper, he himself will know he should have done better on the first.

 

[lex talionis]

If you can't see the impact his ability on the ball has on the team as a whole, it might be time for you to stop watching football.

It’s obviously time for you to start watching football. The team as a whole has been shocking this season both in attack and in defense. It would be absurd to blame Onana for our woeful attacking performance this season, but the notion that Onana’s brilliant ability on the ball has had a profound impact on our attacking performance this season overlooks the fact that we’ve been shocking in attack this season. That we’ve been poor defensively this season has a lot to do with injuries to the back line and Casemiro being poor before going out with injury, but it also has something to do with shocking keeper play. There was nothing Onana could do about the second goal (Varane was at fault), but the first goal is all on Onana.

But back to your point, unless it was meant as sarcasm — if so, well done! — Onana’s “ability on the ball” had nothing to do with any of our three goals nor did it have anything to with our pattern of play, which does not exist. Our attack is built around moments of inspired play and nothing remotely resembling methodical buildup from the back. In fact in the first 10 minutes we did try to build from the back, starting with Onana, and accomplished nothing with the ball other than to concede on two free kicks, which forced us out of our methodical buildup play.

Best if you actually start watching football.

 

[Red00012]

Posters on here blaming him for the 2nd goal need to give their agenda a day off.

 

[tomaldinho1]

I’m very happy with how he plays to be honest looking at the bigger picture. The CL campaign was bizarre and I am certain we won’t see those level of clangers again but in the PL he’s been really solid - if we’re this far into a season and the best criticisms people have of him in the league are the goal last night or the goal versus Brentford from 10 yards out which deflects off Lindelof’s arse, he’s doing ok.

We’re trying to become something way more proactive and attacking to what we’ve seen in a long long time at OT. Many on here say they want modern offensive football but actually, when it turns out it’s super high risk especially without our best defenders, they wilt under the pressure.

 

[Remember the geese]

It's a very low bar obviously, but this league campaign to date from Onana is well clear of the rubbish we were getting from De Gea last season.

 

[Oranges038]

It’s obviously time for you to start watching football. The team as a whole has been shocking this season both in attack and in defense. It would be absurd to blame Onana for our woeful attacking performance this season, but the notion that Onana’s brilliant ability on the ball has had a profound impact on our attacking performance this season overlooks the fact that we’ve been shocking in attack this season. That we’ve been poor defensively this season has a lot to do with injuries to the back line and Casemiro being poor before going out with injury, but it also has something to do with shocking keeper play. There was nothing Onana could do about the second goal (Varane was at fault), but the first goal is all on Onana.

But back to your point, unless it was meant as sarcasm — if so, well done! — Onana’s “ability on the ball” had nothing to do with any of our three goals nor did it have anything to with our pattern of play, which does not exist. Our attack is built around moments of inspired play and nothing remotely resembling methodical buildup from the back. In fact in the first 10 minutes we did try to build from the back, starting with Onana, and accomplished nothing with the ball other than to concede on two free kicks, which forced us out of our methodical buildup play.

Best if you actually start watching football.

His quality and composure on the ball is key to the build up phase, there were so many examples in the game last night. Including 2 or 3 lovely long pinged passes, he pretty much put Garnacho through for a chance he blasted wide of the far post. Aside from the first goal his overall game last night as part of the team was pretty good.

You're judging his passing and footwoork on how you perceive it to be directly involved in the goals, not on it's overall impact on the team. Which is wrong.

 

[Kostov]

This is honestly pathetic. At least be honest with yourself. What an earth can he do with the second goal.

Not hide behind the player at the first post and Varane? Look at where he is standing, and isn't the GK's role to organize defense and have control of the small box?

 

[Kostov]

It's a very low bar obviously, but this league campaign to date from Onana is well clear of the rubbish we were getting from De Gea last season.

If we are being hypocrites yes.

 

[kclord]

To go or stay on a cross is a split-second decision. See those goals like the first one all the time, and they never make the keeper look good.

I’m of the opinion that you should be catching/punching/fighting for any looping ball that’s going to fall in the area of the six-yard box between the posts extended. Balls swung in at pace are a different proposition.

Keepers are such a protected class that if they make a genuine effort to fight through traffic/bodies they might win a soft free kick. As others have said here, I think Onana chose the worst option by rooting to his line and not committing to either direction (especially the original flight of the ball).

Nothing he can do with the second other than get lucky with a reaction save. I’d be furious to see a player have an unmarked header back post. Basic stuff.

 

[Ananke]

I just wish he commanded his area more. It’s the main problem we had with De Gea and I expected Onana to come in with confidence and take control.

 

[Andersonson]

Posters on here blaming him for the 2nd goal need to give their agenda a day off.

Agree that the 2nd isnt on him, but people are tired of a 80m GK making howlers after howlers. Understandable

 

[r0663664]

Frankly speaking, we could have save the 50 million pound on a forward by just extending David for a year. What an oversight from Erik! He coached Onana, surely he knows his flaws at a goalkeeper. If we had a backup or main striker, we would probably still be top 4. Our season is surely screw up by Erik’s signings.

 

[FreakyJim]

Seems like he has problems with that type of cross. Same as with Galatasaray. He just freezes. What he should do is position himself in the ball’s path and just collect it if no one touches it. If someone does - feck it but to just stand there and not cover anything is poor goalkeeping.
Nothing he could’ve done for the second.
They used screening from basketball and I think Mainoo bumped into it and lost his man. Clear foul imo.

 

[quadrant]

His quality and composure on the ball is key to the build up phase, there were so many examples in the game last night. Including 2 or 3 lovely long pinged passes, he pretty much put Garnacho through for a chance he blasted wide of the far post. Aside from the first goal his overall game last night as part of the team was pretty good.

You're judging his passing and footwoork on how you perceive it to be directly involved in the goals, not on it's overall impact on the team. Which is wrong.

Some people have a very narrow view of football. They look only at goals scored and conceded, and see little value in the remaining 85 minutes of every game. This is why players that help build a platform for others to thrive upon are so often overlooked, since that's hard to show on a highlight reel.

 

[Lentwood]

Not at fault for either goal yesterday but people are desperate to blame him for everything.

I think people would do well to watch some of the other Premier League highlights from this weekend - there are several goals that, had Onana conceded them, he'd have been absolutely torn apart on here.

 

[Oranges038]

Some people have a very narrow view of football. They look only at goals scored and conceded, and see little value in the remaining 85 minutes of every game. This is why players that help build a platform for others to thrive upon are so often overlooked, since that's hard to show on a highlight reel.

Agreed but that particular poster has spent the last 6 months banging on about the imaginary link they've created between the goalkeepers footwork and passing being important to the attackers finishing chances.

I said it when Henderson was given a run in the team, he was more rounded and maybe a very average keeper, but he was a better fit for the team as a whole. It's the same with Onana, he's let in some shite goals but overall his style is more of a positive than a negative to the team as a whole. And ideally if results are to improve he'll be called on less and less and these errors become less frequent and we can focus on what he does well.

 

[dinostar77]

He is simply not good enough. All of this "good on the ball" stuff is laughable. That is supplementary to making saves, not the other way around.

However last season, there were people on here going on about how shot stopping isnt the key attribute for a keeper anymore. they need to be able to play out of the back as thats more important. Those comments were laughable back then and even more so now.

 

[Stobzilla]

Can he do better on the first? Possibly, but a ball being dropped in there with everyone landing on top of you means you get very lucky if you claim it and haven't clattered someone/been clattered.

From a preservation stand point and the stand point that Pawson would have been desperate to penalise him for anything I can understand him not coming, it is disappointing to concede but I'm not blaming him solely for it, it is a nightmare ball to defend and McGinn takes a lot of the credit in that scenario.

Anyone blaming him for the 2nd and not the fact there are 3 outfielders on the line and the Villa lad gets 5 yards free in every direction to knock it across goal into the 6 while every defender ball watches .. well I don't know what else to tell you, there is literally no talking to anyone at that point.

 

[Oranges038]

However last season, there were people on here going on about how shot stopping isnt the key attribute for a keeper anymore. they need to be able to play out of the back as thats more important. Those comments were laughable back then and even more so now.

Onana is statistically the second best shot stopper in the league from a team that has faced the 6th most shots and he has the second highest psxg.

Just for the people that want a keeper who makes saves, he's not a terrible shot stopper. He makes almost all of the routine saves you'd expect him to make.

 

[SER19]

I didn't think he was at fault for either goal. Quite good distribution again as well. A good save in the second half as well, although it looked a bit awkward.

Ya people are overreacting now. That first goal is messy but hard to blame the keeper, they happen a few times a season and catch the very best keepers out. You're expecting a touch and trying to anticipate but no touch is as deceiving as a touch might have been. Quite clearly good at passing again last night and took plenty of pressure off defenders who were being pressed. I'm all for fair criticism - Onana was decent last night though, or at the very least not at fault for anything.

 

[RedUnited86]

The first goal is a carbon copy we'd be crucifying De Gea for when he doesn't come and claim it. It's delivered a yard from his goal line and he's stood on the line watching it. Come and claim it or punch it away, one big step and he'd have been there. He's the worst keeper I've seen at the club in the last 30 years.

 

[AdNani]

Agree that the 2nd isnt on him, but people are tired of a 80m GK making howlers after howlers. Understandable

just making stuff up now to make it look worse?

blaming him for either goal yesterday is micro analysing, he probable could of came for the 1st one but it was a very good deliver.

 

[Remember the geese]

He's the worst keeper I've seen at the club in the last 30 years.

Yeah of course he is

 

[RedUnited86]

Yeah of course he is

Name one we've had that has made more howlers consistently in such a short space of time.

 

[Remember the geese]

Name one we've had that has made more howlers consistently in such a short space of time.

De Gea. That should boil some piss.

 

[RedUnited86]

De Gea. That should boil some piss.

Bollocks. Try again.

 

[cafecillos]

So much to learn from the goalkeeping experts on the Caf

It's totally possible that a 27-year-old goalkeeper who has already played a UCL final after being a key player through the whole competition and has made millions as an elite professional playing for two of the biggest clubs in the history of the sport is terrible technically and the undisputably worst keeper to ever walk on the face of the Earth. Entirely fair criticism.