Certainly has an issue with women and football.
He doesn't give a shit either way. He's grifting the "anti-woke" brigade because there is huge money there and he's a total failure in his post playing career.
Certainly has an issue with women and football.
I hear what you're saying but it would only be true in this situation if all the male counterparts were actually decent, and they're not. Male pundits have been hit and miss for decades now, so it's not at the expense of very good male pundits at all. They're shit so why not open up the floor to different demographics and give them a go?I think there is a conversation to be had about the 'positive' discrimination we are currently observing, resulting in an over representation of fairly average to low quality female pundits.
There are female pundits who are absolutely there on merit, Alex Scott being one. Then there are others who are there to promote, what, I don't know as it is not equity or equality. That comes as the expense of some very good male pundits. Joey Barton is not one of those though.
Positive discrimination schemes are supposed to be temporary measures. Prove a demographic are capable of a role, break stigmas, reintroduce meritocracy.
Again, there's a conversation to be had. Joey Barton is clearly not the person to be doing that or affected in the way he thinks he is by current practices.
Nearly got myself in a bit of bother. I was explaining to my gf what Barton had initially said about the comparison to Rose West, however I said Sienna West. She responded 'Don't you mean Rose, who's Sienna?' It then dawned on me I was referring to the porn star.
Agreed - there's a lot of dross male pundits out there to.I hear what you're saying but it would only be true in this situation if all the male counterparts were actually decent, and they're not. Male pundits have been hit and miss for decades now, so it's not at the expense of very good male pundits at all. They're shit so why not open up the floor to different demographics and give them a go?
Barton is just annoyed that no one with a brain cell wants to hear his opinion on anything, and people that look different to him are being given opportunity he thinks he deserves.
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Harsh on @Pexbo.What an utter bellend of a human being. His poor kids having to grow up with that clown as a father.
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Looking at his twitter, dudes lost the plot and might actually need sectioning.Tweet
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He’s such a miserable bitter twat isn’t he?
He’s simply angry because he hasn’t been given the jobs he thought he would and people he feels are less deserving than him are getting them above him.Looking at his twitter, dudes lost the plot and might actually need sectioning.
I agree with all that, but no sane individual could pull this out their ass:He’s simply angry because he hasn’t been given the jobs he thought he would and people he feels are less deserving than him are getting them above him.
He’s massively unlikeable though and that hasn’t worked in his favour. Shame.
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Wow. Lost it.I agree with all that, but no sane individual could pull this out their ass:
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Think both things can be true here, he's displeased with his lack of opportunity and also fallen off the wagon a little bit.
Good post and agree. The reality is the vast majority of pundits do not provide us with much more than basic cliche analysis that to be honest is not real analysis. It does feel like female pundits are having to jump over a slightly higher bar when compared to their male compatriots in punditry. Which is sad but it tends to be a trend with diversity where the first batch of people are expected to be top level in what ever they do when in reality the vast majority of said injudstry is just basic. Eni Aluko is an example where her punditry is no better or worse than a Danny Murphy yet she will get called out.I hear what you're saying but it would only be true in this situation if all the male counterparts were actually decent, and they're not. Male pundits have been hit and miss for decades now, so it's not at the expense of very good male pundits at all. They're shit so why not open up the floor to different demographics and give them a go?
Barton is just annoyed that no one with a brain cell wants to hear his opinion on anything, and people that look different to him are being given opportunity he thinks he deserves.
He’s not sane at all. He’s a nasty piece of work. If he didn’t have the fortune of being good enough to play football pro, he would have ended up in prison. He’s just a horrible individual.I agree with all that, but no sane individual could pull this out their ass:
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Think both things can be true here, he's displeased with his lack of opportunity and also fallen off the wagon a little bit.
i simply don’t have enough information to form an opinion on him. if cps couldn’t find him guilty, then why doesn’t he deserve a second (hundredth) chance?Not that long since his partner withdrew her cooperation with an assault case against him where it was alleged he kicked her while drunk at a dinner party in their home. Women have always been a targets for him, one way or another.
For me, if his wife is willing to forgive him then, for me, that’s as good as saying if never happened, for me.i simply don’t have enough information to form an opinion on him. if cps couldn’t find him guilty, then why doesn’t he deserve a second (hundredth) chance?
That's because that's not the point of calling him out on his evil shit. It's not for his benefit.The "sunlight is the best disinfectant" notion doesn't really hold true when the person you believe yourself to be arguing against doesn't care whatsoever about being proven wrong. See how quickly he devolves into childish insults when people argue against him; he doesn't want a debate, he wants continued attention. Like all of these "debate me" types, he's totally disingenuous and can't be swayed from his opinion because he himself doesn't believe what he's saying. He can't be embarrassed with logic because that's not his game. He's happy to be shown up as an idiot because he's cashing that notoriety into media appearances and the right wing grift.
Ignore him and move on.
i simply don’t have enough information to form an opinion on him. if cps couldn’t find him guilty, then why doesn’t he deserve a second (hundredth) chance?
For me, if his wife is willing to forgive him then, for me, that’s as good as saying if never happened, for me.
Agreed, and this is the issue and something of the elephant in the room. That only leads to a section of supporters who actually support what Barton is saying.I really wonder how he thinks this is all going to end for him.
However, Aluko is among the worst people I've ever seen do any kind of punditry / commentary on TV. She's absolutely dreadful.
Yeah Aluko being a shit pundit isn't the issue and not an elephant in the room. She's a shit pundit because she's a shit pundit, not because she's a woman.Agreed, and this is the issue and something of the elephant in the room. That only leads to a section of supporters who actually support what Barton is saying.
Punditry is weird as it's almost become an entertainment piece now rather than adding value to the debate. Micah Richards laughing while adding no value. Roy Keane being a rent-a-quote caricature of himself.
There are some really decent people out there on various pods who can't get a break on the telly because we have "positive" discrimination of really low quality female pundits. Barton isn't one of them though.
You can also share that view without being a misogynistic moron.
Are they ex-players at a high level with some name recognition, or just football enthusiasts who know their stuff?There are some really decent people out there on various pods who can't get a break on the telly because we have "positive" discrimination of really low quality female pundits. Barton isn't one of them though.
I actually love that! First time seeing it."If I'm somewhere and there was four really ugly girls, I'm thinking she's not the worst – that's all UKIP are"
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He's lost it completely. Who's this angry at 7am? Has he not been to bed?Looking at his twitter, dudes lost the plot and might actually need sectioning.