He did, he wouldn't apologise.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Well he didn't agree with it, but that doesn't mean he didn't want to play.
It is the coach who insistd on an apology after criticizing him publicly first. If he felt that he had to display his power that much ("I can criticize you publicly, but you are not allowed to criticize me publicly"), he could have just suspended him for a month (already a draconic sanction you rarely see at all) and be done with it but instead he insists on Sancho swallowing his pride and making an apology he doesn't mean.
You guys crave for a strong man who strongarms the players who you perceive as spoilt little brats so much that you let him get away with anything, even absolutely terrible leadership.
He decided to stick with what he believes to be the truth. Not wanting to lie doesn't mean not wanting to play.
This, combined with playing in a defensively poor (or high line, pick your choice) league and a heavily dominant attacking team meant he heavily inflated his stats vs whatever he could've hoped to achieve here. Just no context to the transfer.
I spent a lot of time arguing for Grealish for the same price since they were both available and though he's been worse then I thought he'd be, I still think he'd have been a far better fit for us. He was more adventurous at Villa too.
I think Ten Hag is doing a poor job, has shown limited man management skills and will likely be gone in the summer.
I just think posting on Twitter that you're a scapegoat when you're actually an afterthought (Harry Maguire is one who has actually been scapegoated at times) and effectively calling your manager a liar is not a great idea, nor is leaving it as your pinned tweet for weeks to give it prominence.
A professional who actively cares about playing and gives a shit would swallow their pride in order to play. Its blatantly evident that he hasn't always trained well and he could have just owned it and accepted his tweet was in the heat of the moment, which anyone could understand. He didn't, he decided to not back down (a level of commitment that he's never displayed wearing a United shirt) and that that was more important to him than playing.
I don't want a strong man, I want United to stop buying 2nd rate players who act like they're better than the reality.
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You have no idea what happened and why Sancho was so worked up. You simply assume the most favourable background for Ten Hag and the least favorable for Sancho. For what its worth, maybe Sancho didn't even agree with his "sabbatical" in the Netherlands last season and decided not to swallow his pride again. Maybe he felt unfairly treated because of favoritism on Ten Hag's side. There are thousands of theories that would justify his reaction, it is just that people when fantasizing decide to not assume those and instead antagonize Sancho.
And I think it is an antiquated view that he should just swallow his pride and prioritize his own interests below those of the club. He owes you nothing. If a club doesn't treat you well, feck that club.
Imagine defending such lazy cnut as Sancho just to use it as extra ammo against Ten Hag.
The competitive level is similar to the Dutch League imo.
Ahhhh yes, he suddenly found a backbone and moral compass. Just so happened he got him out of actually having to work for his pay.
He's basically the Che Guevara of football, he has to stand up for what he thinks is right.
To be honest Di Maria doesn't really belong in the list at all. He and LVG didn't get along, his house was broken into and he and his family never really wanted to come to England at all. I don't find him similar to the others in playing style either. He didn't lack physicality and had the pace to be properly dangerous in the PL.
Mata nerver did fit the system or the players as I conceded but I do feel he'd lost something by then. He'd already fallen out of favour at Chelsea the previous season.
I still feel you're attempting draw parallels between very different situations though. And as I said different managers, backroom staff, the lot for most of these players. Somehow under Fergie, LVG, Mourinho and Moyes we weren't able to use a specific type of player and it says something about the club and we should be worried about it. It doesn't make sense at all.
As for the two lads playing well in the CL. Yes when you're playing well in your league and the team are rolling a confidence comes with that. However, neither made an impression in the PL and if it was purely a United thing, surely Mhikitaryan should have been able to prove all the doubters wrong in a different environment?
Oh now anyone who think Sancho isn't good enough is a Ten Hag supporter. What a jokeStop letting facts get in the way of people agendas.
Ten Hag supporters will never accept Sancho is a good player who he has not treated fairly.
You are wrong:
"Guardiola insists Sancho was set for a chance to make the grade but would give him no guarantees, much like any other member of a squad where Sergio Aguero is currently unsure of a starting berth.
"I cannot assure, even the best players we have like Sergio and the other ones, that they are going to play," he said.
"I never did it in my life. I'm not going to assure you that you are going to play all the games until the end of the season so you sign the contract. I would be a liar.
"What you are offering a 17-year-old is to face the duels with Kyle Walker, with [Benjamin] Mendy, with Vincent Kompany [in training]. We're going to see how your level is."
Such was City's desire to keep hold of Sancho that his no-show after the US tour omission did not signal the end of the road.
"Believe me, we tried absolutely everything," Guardiola added. "Even after we shake their hands and regret that shake of hands, we said, 'No, we insist'.
"We made a meeting with the father and the agent and another agent and with him. But if the players says, 'No, no, no, no,' what can we do?"
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Sancho didn't work out at United like we'd all hoped, but he's clearly a talented player and has been so since he was a teen - City fought hard to keep him. We don't need to (re)write fanfiction about it.
Him doing well in Germany is a more of a reality check of how bad bundesliga defenses are than how good Jadon is. He got sent away for not apologizing, but he really has been crap since we signed him. I hope he does well, and we manage to sell him and get back part of the fee paid for him.
But he didn't do it suddenly. This happened before.
Let's go back to November 2019. Dortmund lost 0-4 to Bayern (as usual). Starting in this match: Jadon Sancho. How did he play? So bad, that Favre took him off after 36 minutes! After the match Favre ranted about how terrible Sancho played. This was followed by a social media post by Sancho about feeling humiliated and scapegoated. So far so similar, or on Favre's behalf even more aggressive than what EtH initially said.
For the next match Favre benched him, explaining before the match that he only wants to start players who are "focused and ready". I think this is roughly comparable (benching a starter or removing a bench player from the bench) as a measure.
The difference is that Dortmund never closed the door for Sancho but gave him the opportunity to prove himself (he was subbed on in that match and actually scored a goal against Barcelona, it was a short but strong performance from him).
Was Dortmund too soft on him? I understand if someone thinks so. But Favre didn't double down on demanding a public apology - he made a public statement, he got a public response, and he just doubled down on wanting Sancho to focus on the actual match and not on whatever else is happening. And he got the response from Sancho he wanted to see.
EtH wanted a dick measurement contest. Favre just told him to get on with it and stop whining.
Considering that we are in the United forum here... I am quite sure that SAF would have choosen the latter option because he knew how to deal with people
This Sancho hype is starting early and it’s good for us.
We might even be able to get back close to what we paid for him at this rate.
We might even be able to get back close to what we paid for him at this rate.
I dunno. I think it's all a bit premature as his first two appearances have been against poor opposition. A slow burn improvement might have been better. A load of hype now followed by a levelling off might not be good for our chances of recouping a good fee long-term.
Any hype is better than none.
The site has gone to 'pot' eh *PUN ALERT*
I very much doubt SAF would have bought Sancho, considering he regularly sought out opinion on character prior to a transfer and their were red flags that he'd never had put up with making him a top earner.But he didn't do it suddenly. This happened before.
Let's go back to November 2019. Dortmund lost 0-4 to Bayern (as usual). Starting in this match: Jadon Sancho. How did he play? So bad, that Favre took him off after 36 minutes! After the match Favre ranted about how terrible Sancho played. This was followed by a social media post by Sancho about feeling humiliated and scapegoated. So far so similar, or on Favre's behalf even more aggressive than what EtH initially said.
For the next match Favre benched him, explaining before the match that he only wants to start players who are "focused and ready". I think this is roughly comparable (benching a starter or removing a bench player from the bench) as a measure.
The difference is that Dortmund never closed the door for Sancho but gave him the opportunity to prove himself (he was subbed on in that match and actually scored a goal against Barcelona, it was a short but strong performance from him).
Was Dortmund too soft on him? I understand if someone thinks so. But Favre didn't double down on demanding a public apology - he made a public statement, he got a public response, and he just doubled down on wanting Sancho to focus on the actual match and not on whatever else is happening. And he got the response from Sancho he wanted to see.
EtH wanted a dick measurement contest. Favre just told him to get on with it and stop whining.
Considering that we are in the United forum here... I am quite sure that SAF would have choosen the latter option because he knew how to deal with people
I think Dortmund could be soft on him as his output for them was outrageous, Sancho's output for us doesn't warrant any leeway. Cantona got special treatment because he could win us games on his own and had done. Sancho hasn't done anything to warrant a soft touch.
Either way they both need to move on from this. I don't see INEOS wanting that sort of mercurial player, on such high wages, in a future squad and there's a strong chance Ten Hag won't be here next year anyway.
What happened to Favre?But he didn't do it suddenly. This happened before.
Let's go back to November 2019. Dortmund lost 0-4 to Bayern (as usual). Starting in this match: Jadon Sancho. How did he play? So bad, that Favre took him off after 36 minutes! After the match Favre ranted about how terrible Sancho played. This was followed by a social media post by Sancho about feeling humiliated and scapegoated. So far so similar, or on Favre's behalf even more aggressive than what EtH initially said.
For the next match Favre benched him, explaining before the match that he only wants to start players who are "focused and ready". I think this is roughly comparable (benching a starter or removing a bench player from the bench) as a measure.
The difference is that Dortmund never closed the door for Sancho but gave him the opportunity to prove himself (he was subbed on in that match and actually scored a goal against Barcelona, it was a short but strong performance from him).
Was Dortmund too soft on him? I understand if someone thinks so. But Favre didn't double down on demanding a public apology - he made a public statement, he got a public response, and he just doubled down on wanting Sancho to focus on the actual match and not on whatever else is happening. And he got the response from Sancho he wanted to see.
EtH wanted a dick measurement contest. Favre just told him to get on with it and stop whining.
Considering that we are in the United forum here... I am quite sure that SAF would have choosen the latter option because he knew how to deal with people
He was sacked in December 2020 (so more than a year after this incident) for being fifth in the league. His assistant Terzic took over as an interim and won the cup that same season, Dortmund also reached the CL Quarterfinal (and lost that by two 1-2 losses against Manchester City). They had won their CL group with Favre in charge.
Before that he finished his two full seasons with Dortmund as second behind Bayern.
Needs a dualsense to make it complete.Iconic
If you believe that Fergie would’ve let a player get away with calling him a liar publicly then you know very little about the manager he was.But he didn't do it suddenly. This happened before.
Let's go back to November 2019. Dortmund lost 0-4 to Bayern (as usual). Starting in this match: Jadon Sancho. How did he play? So bad, that Favre took him off after 36 minutes! After the match Favre ranted about how terrible Sancho played. This was followed by a social media post by Sancho about feeling humiliated and scapegoated. So far so similar, or on Favre's behalf even more aggressive than what EtH initially said.
For the next match Favre benched him, explaining before the match that he only wants to start players who are "focused and ready". I think this is roughly comparable (benching a starter or removing a bench player from the bench) as a measure.
The difference is that Dortmund never closed the door for Sancho but gave him the opportunity to prove himself (he was subbed on in that match and actually scored a goal against Barcelona, it was a short but strong performance from him).
Was Dortmund too soft on him? I understand if someone thinks so. But Favre didn't double down on demanding a public apology - he made a public statement, he got a public response, and he just doubled down on wanting Sancho to focus on the actual match and not on whatever else is happening. And he got the response from Sancho he wanted to see.
EtH wanted a dick measurement contest. Favre just told him to get on with it and stop whining.
Considering that we are in the United forum here... I am quite sure that SAF would have choosen the latter option because he knew how to deal with people
He might have done it if the player was really integral and he felt he needed them to succeed, Ferguson's greatest attribute is that he was a pragmatist (Ten Hag is much more dogmatic) who was able to adapt to what his team and individual players needed to perform. The point is he wouldn't do it for a player who doesn't apply himself and whose contribution is so minimal, a player as limited as Sancho would never have been offered such huge wages to join in the first place back then and by now would be either gone or struggling to make the bench.
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Exactly. That's what messes with the "ten Hag was the problem" argument. Sancho didn't play well for Ole or Ragnick. Or Southgate for that matter.
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Its apparently all coming from the Saudi end and United arent planning on shipping them out. But to me its a no brainer getting 100 million back from those two. Literally cleaning up the mess of the previous regime with a deal like that. With Martial, Greenwood, Casemiro and Varane moving on, we'll have a lot to play with in terms of FFP
Hasn't Sancho's camp already ruled out a Saudi move? I can't imagine Antony would be willing to move their either at this point ofnhis career. Sounds like a waste of resources to me.
Agree. Expecting discipline is arguably just about the only thing ETH has going for him at this stage.
It would have at least made some sense if he had only been shite playing for ETH but he's been terrible throughout his entire time at the club and two other different managers.
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Virtually nobody will be interested unless the fee and wages are significantly lower. I expect us to be sending him out on loan with part of his wages paid for.
No player bigger than the club. Fergie would have kicked him out the door too, perhaps faster than ETHBut he didn't do it suddenly. This happened before.
Let's go back to November 2019. Dortmund lost 0-4 to Bayern (as usual). Starting in this match: Jadon Sancho. How did he play? So bad, that Favre took him off after 36 minutes! After the match Favre ranted about how terrible Sancho played. This was followed by a social media post by Sancho about feeling humiliated and scapegoated. So far so similar, or on Favre's behalf even more aggressive than what EtH initially said.
For the next match Favre benched him, explaining before the match that he only wants to start players who are "focused and ready". I think this is roughly comparable (benching a starter or removing a bench player from the bench) as a measure.
The difference is that Dortmund never closed the door for Sancho but gave him the opportunity to prove himself (he was subbed on in that match and actually scored a goal against Barcelona, it was a short but strong performance from him).
Was Dortmund too soft on him? I understand if someone thinks so. But Favre didn't double down on demanding a public apology - he made a public statement, he got a public response, and he just doubled down on wanting Sancho to focus on the actual match and not on whatever else is happening. And he got the response from Sancho he wanted to see.
EtH wanted a dick measurement contest. Favre just told him to get on with it and stop whining.
Considering that we are in the United forum here... I am quite sure that SAF would have choosen the latter option because he knew how to deal with people
Sancho is repeating patterns of bad self governance. He needs to take responsibility for his career before it’s over
It is better for both parties to separate. Now it is just whether MU will pay the difference in salary of his remaining contract, otherwise BVB will probably just keep loaning him until his contract expires.