Murder on Zidanes Floor
You'd better not kill Giroud
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He did, he wouldn't apologise.Reading that one could think it was Sancho who refused to play.
He did, he wouldn't apologise.Reading that one could think it was Sancho who refused to play.
Well he didn't agree with it, but that doesn't mean he didn't want to play.If he wanted to play it wouldn't have taken much for him to be brought back into the group, he decided he didn't fancy doing so.
If he wanted to play it wouldn't have taken much for him to be brought back into the group, he decided he didn't fancy doing so.
He decided to stick with what he believes to be the truth. Not wanting to lie doesn't mean not wanting to play.He did, he wouldn't apologise.
The thing is Sancho largely did play this way for us, just we were expecting a different player. He's never had blistering pace, wasn't particularly great 1v1. He wasn't a high intensity player, he doesn't like the physical aspect of the game, the opposition could rough him up quite easily and he'd go into his shell.
He's a possession based wide man, who's hugely dependant on his team being the dominant force with the ball. And he's dependant on movement too. Technically he's a sound player but the aspects he was missing held him back for us.
Like, we didnt scout him.
I think Ten Hag is doing a poor job, has shown limited man management skills and will likely be gone in the summer.It is the coach who insistd on an apology after criticizing him publicly first. If he felt that he had to display his power that much ("I can criticize you publicly, but you are not allowed to criticize me publicly"), he could have just suspended him for a month (already a draconic sanction you rarely see at all) and be done with it but instead he insists on Sancho swallowing his pride and making an apology he doesn't mean.
You guys crave for a strong man who strongarms the players who you perceive as spoilt little brats so much that you let him get away with anything, even absolutely terrible leadership.
I think Ten Hag is doing a poor job, has shown limited man management skills and will likely be gone in the summer.
I just think posting on Twitter that you're a scapegoat when you're actually an afterthought (Harry Maguire is one who has actually been scapegoated at times) and effectively calling your manager a liar is not a great idea, nor is leaving it as your pinned tweet for weeks to give it prominence.
A professional who actively cares about playing and gives a shit would swallow their pride in order to play. Its blatantly evident that he hasn't always trained well and he could have just owned it and accepted his tweet was in the heat of the moment, which anyone could understand. He didn't, he decided to not back down (a level of commitment that he's never displayed wearing a United shirt) and that that was more important to him than playing.
I don't want a strong man, I want United to stop buying 2nd rate players who act like they're better than the reality.
Almost like the BL is a slower, less competitive league where he'll get more space. Who'd have thought it.
Ahhhh yes, he suddenly found a backbone and moral compass. Just so happened he got him out of actually having to work for his pay.He decided to stick with what he believes to be the truth. Not wanting to lie doesn't mean not wanting to play.
He's basically the Che Guevara of football, he has to stand up for what he thinks is right.Ahhhh yes, he suddenly found a backbone and moral compass. Just so happened he got him out of actually having to work for his pay.
IconicHe's basically the Che Guevara of football, he has to stand up for what he thinks is right.
Mata was in no way different for us from Chelsea, he had not physically declined. He was 25 when he joined us, and we had no idea how to use him, and couldn't play the style of football that suits him.
Kagawa and Mkhitaryan both did better in the CL with Dortmund than with us, so it's not about the level.
Di Maria and Mata both fit the type, both looked lost at United with the way we played football. Di Maria got frustrated with us and stopped caring as he wanted to leave.
Stop letting facts get in the way of people agendas.
Ten Hag supporters will never accept Sancho is a good player who he has not treated fairly.
I don't disagree with this argument but in Sancho's case I think if he was good enough and the determination, work ethic etc. was there, Pep would have kept him and given him chances, because he would have been needed. Or he'd have loaned him to Dortmund to give him playing time.
But he didn't do it suddenly. This happened before.Ahhhh yes, he suddenly found a backbone and moral compass. Just so happened he got him out of actually having to work for his pay.
This Sancho hype is starting early and it’s good for us.
We might even be able to get back close to what we paid for him at this rate.
Any hype is better than none.I dunno. I think it's all a bit premature as his first two appearances have been against poor opposition. A slow burn improvement might have been better. A load of hype now followed by a levelling off might not be good for our chances of recouping a good fee long-term.
The site has gone to 'pot' eh *PUN ALERT*I am in the land of the philistines
I very much doubt SAF would have bought Sancho, considering he regularly sought out opinion on character prior to a transfer and their were red flags that he'd never had put up with making him a top earner.But he didn't do it suddenly. This happened before.
Let's go back to November 2019. Dortmund lost 0-4 to Bayern (as usual). Starting in this match: Jadon Sancho. How did he play? So bad, that Favre took him off after 36 minutes! After the match Favre ranted about how terrible Sancho played. This was followed by a social media post by Sancho about feeling humiliated and scapegoated. So far so similar, or on Favre's behalf even more aggressive than what EtH initially said.
For the next match Favre benched him, explaining before the match that he only wants to start players who are "focused and ready". I think this is roughly comparable (benching a starter or removing a bench player from the bench) as a measure.
The difference is that Dortmund never closed the door for Sancho but gave him the opportunity to prove himself (he was subbed on in that match and actually scored a goal against Barcelona, it was a short but strong performance from him).
Was Dortmund too soft on him? I understand if someone thinks so. But Favre didn't double down on demanding a public apology - he made a public statement, he got a public response, and he just doubled down on wanting Sancho to focus on the actual match and not on whatever else is happening. And he got the response from Sancho he wanted to see.
EtH wanted a dick measurement contest. Favre just told him to get on with it and stop whining.
Considering that we are in the United forum here... I am quite sure that SAF would have choosen the latter option because he knew how to deal with people
What happened to Favre?But he didn't do it suddenly. This happened before.
Let's go back to November 2019. Dortmund lost 0-4 to Bayern (as usual). Starting in this match: Jadon Sancho. How did he play? So bad, that Favre took him off after 36 minutes! After the match Favre ranted about how terrible Sancho played. This was followed by a social media post by Sancho about feeling humiliated and scapegoated. So far so similar, or on Favre's behalf even more aggressive than what EtH initially said.
For the next match Favre benched him, explaining before the match that he only wants to start players who are "focused and ready". I think this is roughly comparable (benching a starter or removing a bench player from the bench) as a measure.
The difference is that Dortmund never closed the door for Sancho but gave him the opportunity to prove himself (he was subbed on in that match and actually scored a goal against Barcelona, it was a short but strong performance from him).
Was Dortmund too soft on him? I understand if someone thinks so. But Favre didn't double down on demanding a public apology - he made a public statement, he got a public response, and he just doubled down on wanting Sancho to focus on the actual match and not on whatever else is happening. And he got the response from Sancho he wanted to see.
EtH wanted a dick measurement contest. Favre just told him to get on with it and stop whining.
Considering that we are in the United forum here... I am quite sure that SAF would have choosen the latter option because he knew how to deal with people
He was sacked in December 2020 (so more than a year after this incident) for being fifth in the league. His assistant Terzic took over as an interim and won the cup that same season, Dortmund also reached the CL Quarterfinal (and lost that by two 1-2 losses against Manchester City). They had won their CL group with Favre in charge.What happened to Favre?
Needs a dualsense to make it complete.Iconic
Needs a dualsense to make it complete.
But he didn't do it suddenly. This happened before.
Let's go back to November 2019. Dortmund lost 0-4 to Bayern (as usual). Starting in this match: Jadon Sancho. How did he play? So bad, that Favre took him off after 36 minutes! After the match Favre ranted about how terrible Sancho played. This was followed by a social media post by Sancho about feeling humiliated and scapegoated. So far so similar, or on Favre's behalf even more aggressive than what EtH initially said.
For the next match Favre benched him, explaining before the match that he only wants to start players who are "focused and ready". I think this is roughly comparable (benching a starter or removing a bench player from the bench) as a measure.
The difference is that Dortmund never closed the door for Sancho but gave him the opportunity to prove himself (he was subbed on in that match and actually scored a goal against Barcelona, it was a short but strong performance from him).
Was Dortmund too soft on him? I understand if someone thinks so. But Favre didn't double down on demanding a public apology - he made a public statement, he got a public response, and he just doubled down on wanting Sancho to focus on the actual match and not on whatever else is happening. And he got the response from Sancho he wanted to see.
EtH wanted a dick measurement contest. Favre just told him to get on with it and stop whining.
Considering that we are in the United forum here... I am quite sure that SAF would have choosen the latter option because he knew how to deal with people
He might have done it if the player was really integral and he felt he needed them to succeed, Ferguson's greatest attribute is that he was a pragmatist (Ten Hag is much more dogmatic) who was able to adapt to what his team and individual players needed to perform. The point is he wouldn't do it for a player who doesn't apply himself and whose contribution is so minimal, a player as limited as Sancho would never have been offered such huge wages to join in the first place back then and by now would be either gone or struggling to make the bench.If you believe that Fergie would’ve let a player get away with calling him a liar publicly then you know very little about the manager he was.
ThisImagine defending such lazy cnut as Sancho just to use it as extra ammo against Ten Hag.
Didn't have a problem except the shite performances on the pitch
Its apparently all coming from the Saudi end and United arent planning on shipping them out. But to me its a no brainer getting 100 million back from those two. Literally cleaning up the mess of the previous regime with a deal like that. With Martial, Greenwood, Casemiro and Varane moving on, we'll have a lot to play with in terms of FFP
Agree. Expecting discipline is arguably just about the only thing ETH has going for him at this stage.Imagine defending such lazy cnut as Sancho just to use it as extra ammo against Ten Hag.
Imagine defending such lazy cnut as Sancho just to use it as extra ammo against Ten Hag.
It's the hope that kills you....
It's the hope that kills you....
No player bigger than the club. Fergie would have kicked him out the door too, perhaps faster than ETHBut he didn't do it suddenly. This happened before.
Let's go back to November 2019. Dortmund lost 0-4 to Bayern (as usual). Starting in this match: Jadon Sancho. How did he play? So bad, that Favre took him off after 36 minutes! After the match Favre ranted about how terrible Sancho played. This was followed by a social media post by Sancho about feeling humiliated and scapegoated. So far so similar, or on Favre's behalf even more aggressive than what EtH initially said.
For the next match Favre benched him, explaining before the match that he only wants to start players who are "focused and ready". I think this is roughly comparable (benching a starter or removing a bench player from the bench) as a measure.
The difference is that Dortmund never closed the door for Sancho but gave him the opportunity to prove himself (he was subbed on in that match and actually scored a goal against Barcelona, it was a short but strong performance from him).
Was Dortmund too soft on him? I understand if someone thinks so. But Favre didn't double down on demanding a public apology - he made a public statement, he got a public response, and he just doubled down on wanting Sancho to focus on the actual match and not on whatever else is happening. And he got the response from Sancho he wanted to see.
EtH wanted a dick measurement contest. Favre just told him to get on with it and stop whining.
Considering that we are in the United forum here... I am quite sure that SAF would have choosen the latter option because he knew how to deal with people