No of course not. Have you read the twitter thread? We've seen the myth of the 40 beheaded babies from these unreliable sources before, what's to say this is different?Is your general position that body cam footage or the likes, is the only valid evidence of rape?
Funny how it's only with muslims that it's religious fanaticism.Anger and wish for revenge for October 7 rather than fantasies about the Temple.
Oh, we have our fair share of religious fanatics. Some of them just don't get drafted at all. And those who are drafted can't just do what they want.Funny how it's only with muslims that it's religious fanaticism.
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Israeli President Isaac Herzog is the subject of criminal complaints during his visit to the World Economic Forum in Davos, Swiss prosecutors have confirmed, as Israel finds itself accused of committing war crimes in Gaza.
“The criminal complaints will be examined according to the usual procedure,” the Office of the Swiss Attorney General said on Friday, adding that it would contact the Swiss foreign ministry to examine the question of immunity of the individual concerned.
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I think there's a slight nuance here. The Swiss received complaints and are examining them, not that they themselves filed the complaints.https://www.timesofisrael.com/swiss...aint-filed-against-visiting-president-herzog/
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In a statement, Swiss prosecutors said that “the criminal complaints will now be examined in accordance with the usual procedure,” adding that they were in contact with the foreign ministry “to examine the question of the immunity of the person concerned.” It did not say what the specific complaints were, or who had filed them.
I don't disagree with many of your posts in this thread generally speaking,Funny how it's only with muslims that it's religious fanaticism.
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Did Hamas ever conduct an attack outside the border of Israel/Palestine? Or have they ever said they are a global organization, I mean him sitting their talking shit, unchallenged is another level of idiocy. Hamas can be anything, but they certainly are not a global threat.
I have never been to Israel and only met a handful of israelis, all very left wing and not very religious. So yeah, I can't claim to be an authority on the general mindset.I don't disagree with many of your posts in this thread generally speaking,
but I had to ask, and I mean it in the nicest, most curious and polite way-
Have you ever been to Israel for a sustained period, or have been in the company of Israelis from a variety of sectors of the entire society?
I'm asking because you seem to make assumptions regarding the mindset of IDF soldiers who are fighting in Gaza while presumably living thousands of kilometers away...?
I (and every other Israeli) know many soldiers who either serve in the IDF today or have done so in the past decades.
I don't see religious fanaticism as a main motive for how most of them act in Gaza.
will to revenge- yes, us or them mentality- yes, dehumanization in some cases- yes. none of it has to do strictly with Judaism.
These soldiers wouldn't go to other Muslim countries and do what they do in Gaza if it was possible in some fecked-up scenario, even if nowadays many of these soldiers will say that they "hate all Muslims on earth".
And ordinary people from Yemen, Turkey, Pakistan, or what have you, would not march into Israeli towns and do what Hamas' men did on Oct 7th if it was possible. Most people won't do anything more than insult me because I'm an Israeli.
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Ok, now I understand you better. and yes, it is one of the problems.I have never been to Israel and only met a handful of israelis, all very left wing and not very religious. So yeah, I can't claim to be an authority on the general mindset.
But the guy in the video that sparked this interaction is obviously using religious rhetoric to justify what he needs to do. And the problem when you say "I don't see religious fanaticism as a main motive for how most of them act in Gaza." is that you admit there are some with that mindset, at least partly. I believe Israel has around 200k active military personnel, so even if 1% are religiously motivated, that's a lot of people out in gaza deciding who lives or dies who may be fanatics.
When we add to this the numerous crimes committed in the last couple of months, it's obvious this is a problem, so dismissing it by saying it doesn't matter because these guys are just boots on the ground with no decision power is an obviously flawed approach. Now, as you said, this can be attributed to desire for revenge and the religious rhetoric is just a heat of the moment inspirational thing, but in that case we have to do the same when we talk about muslims, however, that rarely happens. Religious fanaticism is always the go to excuse.
This 'war' was never about rescuing hostages or eliminating hamas. Land grabbing and money stealing is the only motive.
Not necessarily the only motivation but rescuing hostages and eliminating Hama as high up on the list of Israeli motivations. That doesn't make the civilian toll right and it doesn't mean you approve of the Israeli reaction and actions.This 'war' was never about rescuing hostages or eliminating hamas. Land grabbing and money stealing is the only motive.
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That guardian story is probably bollocks, just like the 40 beheaded babies story.
Christ.
It's not the only motivation but generally, it's the main one. In the current bombardment, ethnic cleansing and deliberate collective punishment of the Gaza population is also a main motivation.Not necessarily the only motivation but rescuing hostages and eliminating Hama as high up on the list of Israeli motivations. That doesn't make the civilian toll right and it doesn't mean you approve of the Israeli reaction and actions.
The Australian are utter twats on a wide range of issues. Very pro Israel.What an odd thing to say.
It's only odd when you consider the Palestinians (read Arabs/ Muslims) as fellow human beings.What an odd thing to say.
I don't think either of those are the main motivations at all. The Israelis will be losing far more from being in a war economy and having rockets fired across their country than they gain from whatever paltry reserves Gazans have.This 'war' was never about rescuing hostages or eliminating hamas. Land grabbing and money stealing is the only motive.
When I to my own regret have seen footage of Hamas soldiers screaming god is great inside a bomb shelter where they murdered a family, women, children and all, the idea that rape would be off the table and wouldnt happen in such a large scale attack sems very odd and naive to me. I don´t necessarily believe that they cut of a womens breasts at the peace festival and played football with it after they raped her. But as far as I can read their is plenty of forensic evidence, eyewitness accounts etc. Yes, its Israel collecting the evidence. Who else has the responsibility? And of course, im certain there are instances where there is Israli propaganda either in making something up or exaggerating, but in such a brutal and large attack I think you have to live in la la land to believe some of the victims werent subject to rape.It is one thing being wary of propaganda but it seems unlikely in the extreme that rape as a weapon of war in the Hamas attack. There is far too much evidence despite the limited attempts to collect it.
I'm sure/know that the Israeli's have behaved abominably since the Hamas attack but we don't dismiss this because Hamas have also ramped up propaganda.
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Over the past three months, the Israeli military has been demanding the people of Gaza to evacuate to the Al-Mawasi region, located west of Khan Yunis. The Israeli regime claimed the area was a safe zone for Palestinian civilians, but the same area has been targeted by intense Israeli airstrikes and artillery shelling during the last 12 hours, resulting in dozens of casualties among the innocent population.
#NotGenocide even though it's textbook genocide.
What evidence are we talking about here? The NYT article which was quietly retracted? Or this Guardian one which is based on the similar premise of hearsay?It is one thing being wary of propaganda but it seems unlikely in the extreme that rape as a weapon of war in the Hamas attack. There is far too much evidence despite the limited attempts to collect it.
I'm sure/know that the Israeli's have behaved abominably since the Hamas attack but we don't dismiss this because Hamas have also ramped up propaganda.
Testimony is evidence.What evidence are we talking about here? The NYT article which was quietly retracted? Or this Guardian one which is based on the similar premise of hearsay?
The UN have offered to investigate these claims and were rebuffed because apparently they're antisemitic. Israeli army sources themselves have let it be known have found little to no evidence of it happening, so I'm not sure where this copious amount of evidence is coming from...
Its weak evidence.Testimony is evidence.
There is lots of evidence and far from all from official sources. The Guardian is Palestinian leaning in their reporting so no way would they publish that based merely on Israeli official propaganda talking points.What evidence are we talking about here? The NYT article which was quietly retracted? Or this Guardian one which is based on the similar premise of hearsay?
The UN have offered to investigate these claims and were rebuffed because apparently they're antisemitic. Israeli army sources themselves have let it be known have found little to no evidence of it happening, so I'm not sure where this copious amount of evidence is coming from...
Yes, Hamas wanted thousands of children to be murdered. They wanted their people to be ethnically cleansed and every facet of their lives to be erased.The Israeli actions since the attack (and many before) are inexcusable and despicable. However, the Hamas attack was also inexcusable and despicable with murder, kidnap, humiliation and rape used as a weapon of war to elicit the OTT Israeli reaction that Hamas were seeking.
You are very naive if you think Hamas didn't know and actively seek exactly the Israeli reaction they got. They don't give any more of a feck about the suffering of Palestinian civilians than Israel do. They are just collateral damage to Hamas.Yes, Hamas wanted thousands of children to be murdered. They wanted their people to be ethnically cleansed and every facet of their lives to be erased.
Your bothsidesism schtick isn't it, you aren't a CNN or a NYT reporter.