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Think you might have missed recent developments there, it’s unfortunately sliding back to authoritarianism under Kais Saied.
Yes I'm aware of such developments, but my point is they were a nation that enjoyed a relatively sustained period of stability coupled to a shift to democracy following the Arab spring, compared to their neighbours who were riddled with more instability. The Arab spring was a success for them.
 

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Yes I'm aware of such developments, but my point is they were a nation that enjoyed a relatively sustained period of stability coupled to a shift to democracy following the Arab spring, compared to their neighbours who were riddled with more instability. The Arab spring was a success for them.
I’m not sure it can be deemed a success if they end up right back where they were a barely a decade later, although I would concede that the development of a vibrant protest culture there seems to be a lasting legacy of 2010/2011, and in that sense the “Arab Spring” may be better understood as an ongoing phenomenon rather than a specific moment or era that can be assessed within limited boundaries.
 

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I’m not sure it can be deemed a success if they end up right back where they were a barely a decade later, although I would concede that the development of a vibrant protest culture there seems to be a lasting legacy of 2010/2011, and in that sense the “Arab Spring” may be better understood as an ongoing phenomenon rather than a specific moment or era that can be assessed within limited boundaries.
Just looking at where they are now doesn't tell the whole story, and especially of the way many democratic countries did not exercise their power to help the Arab Spring.
 

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Tunisia came out of it fairly well. Granted they're not yet topping any global indexes when it comes to progressive metrics, but they've adopted a form of democracy that seems to be functioning relatively healthily after deposing of a tyrannous dictator. The country is relatively stable too.
Nah. They're back in the shit.
 

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No I think anyone killing themselves in protest is a form of mental illness. Sets a dangerous precedent and should not be lauded
So a man hurting himself and no one other sets a dangerous precedent? The murdering of thousands of children is totally fine though?
 

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What's with these IOF freaks posing with women's underwear? The images keep popping up.
 

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So a man hurting himself and no one other sets a dangerous precedent? The murdering of thousands of children is totally fine though?
a precedent for others to seek some sort of martyrdom by killing themselves
 

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This could be good news ?
The Biden administration has said in many different ways that they want to make sure that this ceasefire will be temporary, so that Israel can continue the liquidation at a later date, maybe when the heat has reduced a little.
 

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This could be good news ?
It still needs to be agreed on by both Hamas and Israel which hasn't happened yet. It's a similar case to the last proposal but most likely the pressure has increased on both of them to reach some kind of a middle ground.
 

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It still needs to be agreed on by both Hamas and Israel which hasn't happened yet. It's a similar case to the last proposal but most likely the pressure has increased on both of them to reach some kind of a middle ground.

Ramadan starts soon. Usually calm things down then.

Think it has to do with some prophecies. Like the boots on the ground one in Syria.
 

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I can't play this at work yet, but were his last words on CNN "Israel Forever"?
“I’ll no longer be complicit in genocide. I’m about to engage in an extreme form of protest. But compared to what people have been experiencing in Palestine at the hands of their colonisers it’s not extreme at all. This is what our ruling class has decided will be normal.”
 

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For the ones that are into these kind of long-form essays, I'd recommend this. I don't think it's going to change a lot of minds, but it has some good points about this conflict, the role of the media, the role of politicians, etc. He is able to articulate and contextualize some of the feelings I have about this, better than I probably could myself. I've enjoyed his work on many other topics, so I was eager to this a listen as well.

 

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"Both sides" bullshit as expected. Putting up Hamas as the counterpart to Israel just legitimizes what Israel is doing.
Israel government is worse because is supposed to be a democratic government with democratic values. They are both terrorist institutions with Israel government with a 75 history of terrorism, raping, killing, stealing land, kidnapping and torturing and Hamas 40 years the same but losing land
 

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Ramadan starts soon. Usually calm things down then.

Think it has to do with some prophecies. Like the boots on the ground one in Syria.
Israel have attacked worshippers in Al Aqsa mosque the last few years during Ramadan.
 

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“I’ll no longer be complicit in genocide. I’m about to engage in an extreme form of protest. But compared to what people have been experiencing in Palestine at the hands of their colonisers it’s not extreme at all. This is what our ruling class has decided will be normal.”
And they put/showed all that on CNN? :eek: :eek:
 

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And they put/showed all that on CNN? :eek: :eek:
They read it aloud, and also recount how he yelled "Free Palestine" as he was burning.

I can not recommend watching the actual video (which CNN didn't do either). It's pretty disturbing.
 

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"Both sides" bullshit as expected. Putting up Hamas as the counterpart to Israel just legitimizes what Israel is doing.
Hamas barely featured for a mere few seconds in the whole segment. Who would you put as the counterpart when there is now no government in the West Bank?

I guess you're also not a fan of his idea of METO (:lol:) then.
 

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Hamas barely featured for a mere few seconds in the whole segment. Who would you put as the counterpart when there is now no government in the West Bank?

I guess you're also not a fan of his idea of METO (:lol:) then.
I guess an ongoing genocide being conducted with impunity just doesn't lend itself very well to Stewarts brand of chirpy humor. That's just my opinion though. It actually made me kind of angry watching it, but I suppose it's good that some people can see the funny side. He could have used his platform to mention unlawful killings in the West Bank, unlawful killings of journalists and medical personal, Israeli civilians cheering on the slaughter, Israeli civilians blocking aid from entering Gaza, IDF soldiers destroying homes and stealing possessions from refugees, and I could go on. But he didn't do any of that.
 

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I guess an ongoing genocide being conducted with impunity just doesn't lend itself very well to Stewarts brand of chirpy humor. That's just my opinion though. It actually made me kind of angry watching it, but I suppose it's good that some people can see the funny side. He could have used his platform to mention unlawful killings in the West Bank, unlawful killings of journalists and medical personal, Israeli civilians cheering on the slaughter, Israeli civilians blocking aid from entering Gaza, IDF soldiers destroying homes and stealing possessions from refugees, and I could go on. But he didn't do any of that.
Agreed. It was surprisingly underwhelming from Stewart.
 

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I guess an ongoing genocide being conducted with impunity just doesn't lend itself very well to Stewarts brand of chirpy humor. That's just my opinion though. It actually made me kind of angry watching it, but I suppose it's good that some people can see the funny side. He could have used his platform to mention unlawful killings in the West Bank, unlawful killings of journalists and medical personal, Israeli civilians cheering on the slaughter, Israeli civilians blocking aid from entering Gaza, IDF soldiers destroying homes and stealing possessions from refugees, and I could go on. But he didn't do any of that.
It felt like watching a deleted scene from a dystopian film. I couldn’t stop thinking how it would look if Stewart was making jokes about another genocide. Making his silly faces and pretending to take notes as footage of the Rwandan genocide or the Holocaust plays in the background. The segment felt incredibly hollow and one of those things people in the future will look back on in horror at.

As the political content. Stewart is mostly stuck in the mid to late 2000’s so the guy world view is extremely outdated. I’ve watched his last 3 big set pieces and genuinely a quick wiki search would be more informative.
 

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It felt like watching a deleted scene from a dystopian film. I couldn’t stop thinking how it would look if Stewart was making jokes about another genocide. Making his silly faces and pretending to take notes as footage of the Rwandan genocide or the Holocaust plays in the background. The segment felt incredibly hollow and one of those things people in the future will look back on in horror at.

As the political content. Stewart is mostly stuck in the mid to late 2000’s so the guy world view is extremely outdated. I’ve watched his last 3 big set pieces and genuinely a quick wiki search would be more informative.
That's exactly what I felt.