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Bruno represents a low time for Man utd. An ambitious side would look for an upgrade but we settled for lesser and not only in his position, but several others as well.
He doesn’t really, it’s just the way the stat is recorded. Our wide players take a lot of shots, so a simple pass out wide can create a ‘chance’.Yes we should, probably. He is always available, plays every minute, never injured, creates the most chances in the league, and playing with a random lineup every week. Half the time this season he’s played in front of 4th choice players, sometimes with players who have no ability in a makeshift role. Bruno’s 30 is like another player at 26. He’s got several years at the top left in him.
This is the problem with stats. If there's a stat that says Bruno creates more than De Bruyne, it's not worth listening to. You just need to see with your own eyes, that's not close to being true.The problem is, I don’t think we’re finding anyone els with Bruno’s numbers. He creates more than De Bruyne. We just don’t finish them off. We need him back to his first season form… other priorities in the squad… the wingers being to selfish is a problem. When someone’s open in the box we never pass, shooting is always first with some players. Less selfish wingers who are creative and we’ll score a lot more goals.
This is utter, utter madness. Madness.This discussion makes me think of United replacing Ruud with Saha. Ruud is probably the best out and out striker I’ve ever seen at United and was truly world class.
But he needed to be the focal point, wanting every attack to end with a shot for him and all he wanted to do was score goals. United were a far better team with Saha.
Not at all. The post you quoted is absolutely correct, towards the end the team needed to play for Ruud. When Saha came in our game was slick and fast and we played better.This is utter, utter madness. Madness.
It's not madness. That's absolutely trueThis is utter, utter madness. Madness.
Edit: Whether a team plays better or not by changing their style is an entirely subjective debate. A team playing more direct, and scoring goals, against a 'slick style (???) team… depends what is more effective. And Man Utd were more effective, and clinical as an attacking team with RVN. He didn't score all those goals on his own.Not at all. The post you quoted is absolutely correct, towards the end the team needed to play for Ruud. When Saha came in our game was slick and fast and we played better.
Looking at stats of the players it would be, but the side evolved when Saha was introduced, which wouldn't have happened with RVN remaining as the focal point of the attack.This is utter, utter madness. Madness.
Speaking of seeing with your own eyes… you’ll clearly see it could be true but De Bruyne gets more credit because he has the players upfront to finish them… how many chances has Bruno created that have been missed by our attackers. We squander way too many chances. That’s the reason De Bruyne ends up with more assist but it doesn’t mean he creates more.This is the problem with stats. If there's a stat that says Bruno creates more than De Bruyne, it's not worth listening to. You just need to see with your own eyes, that's not close to being true.
That’s fine. The team will improve with a more functional midfield. Any serious club in this situation would add more midfielders and define the play style and then it’s up to Bruno to adapt to the front foot football the collective is aiming for.The problem is, I don’t think we’re finding anyone els with Bruno’s numbers. He creates more than De Bruyne. We just don’t finish them off. We need him back to his first season form… other priorities in the squad… the wingers being to selfish is a problem. When someone’s open in the box we never pass, shooting is always first with some players. Less selfish wingers who are creative and we’ll score a lot more goals.
We just bought a 10 who can’t even get on the pitch even when fit ahead of McTominay, let alone replace Bruno.No we need another 10 / most advanced midfielder to eventually replace him, allow us to dominate possession and if that’s possible, force Bruno to elevate his game.
If we want to keep playing on the break and be perennial top 4-6 team then sure - let him be the talisman.
De Bruyne creates more. There's no question, we miss chances but so do City. Can you honestly tell me seriously that Bruno creates more than De Bruyne regardless of the chances being converted?Speaking of seeing with your own eyes… you’ll clearly see it could be true but De Bruyne gets more credit because he has the players upfront to finish them… how many chances has Bruno created that have been missed by our attackers. We squander way too many chances. That’s the reason De Bruyne ends up with more assist but it doesn’t mean he creates more.
That’s fine. If your don’t succeed you try again.We just bought a 10 who can’t even get on the pitch even when fit ahead of McTominay, let alone replace Bruno.
Yeah the problem is that we can’t afford to take two or three stabs at positions that aren’t an immediate need when we are playing midfielders at left back and wingers at center forward with a defensive midfielder reaching his sell by date.That’s fine. If your don’t succeed you try again.
I’m just going of the stats… search it up. Bruno Fernandes has created the most chances this season in the premier league… which is surprising that he’s only got a few assist.De Bruyne creates more. There's no question, we miss chances but so do City. Can you honestly tell me seriously that Bruno creates more than De Bruyne regardless of the chances being converted?
I’ve put stats above regarding goals and assists. Are you telling me that James Maddison at Leicester or Pereira at Fulham have better minutes per assist because they have better players up front?Speaking of seeing with your own eyes… you’ll clearly see it could be true but De Bruyne gets more credit because he has the players upfront to finish them… how many chances has Bruno created that have been missed by our attackers. We squander way too many chances. That’s the reason De Bruyne ends up with more assist but it doesn’t mean he creates more.
Because they have players finishing of the chances… how many times has Rashford missed a 1 on 1 after being played through by Bruno.I’ve put stats above regarding goals and assists. Are you telling me that James Maddison at Leicester or Pereira at Fulham have better minutes per assist because they have better players up front?
Again….Are you telling me Fulham players and Leicester players don’t miss chances?Because they have players finishing of the chances… how many times has Rashford missed a 1 on 1 after being played through by Bruno.
Assists are a frankly a weak statistic when judging players like Bruno because it entirely depends on tea mates taking chances. Chances created is a far superior statistic (especially from open play) Since he arrived only KDB competes with him in chances created in the league season on season.His output has been on the wane since Klopp had his say on penalties. His performances have been consistently poor since the season Ronaldo signed, and inconsistent the second half of the season prior.
Pre-Klopps outburst
Non pen goal every 415 mins
Assist every 348 mins.
Post-Klopps outburst
Non pen goal every 478 mins
Assists every 453 mins.
Maybe he’s a confidence player and drew confidence from the amount of penalties he was afforded. Whatever the case his performances have been poor for way too long and his output is waning significantly. We need to look to move in a different direction as a team so a near 30 year old, who’s in decline and is on,y suited to transition football, is not someone we should be hanging on to.
Considering how bad United have been and how most players who join generally play worse, I’d say it’s unfair and hard to judge Bruno. I’d love to see how he’d get on a club that’s not a mess.Assists are a frankly a weak statistic when judging players like Bruno because it entirely depends on tea mates taking chances. Chances created is a far superior statistic (especially from open play) Since he arrived only KDB competes with him in chances created in the league season on season.
I don't see ANY good reason to replacr Bruno. His creativity hasn' t waned and he is ever fit. He literally pays for example the same way as Ødegaard at Arsenal, out strips him defensively and creatively but because our set up is so poor, personnel wise we make him look bad and erratic whilst Arsenal's system makes their Norwegian playmaker appear majestic.Considering how bad United have been and how most players who join generally play worse, I’d say it’s unfair and hard to judge Bruno. I’d love to see how he’d get on a club that’s not a mess.
Comparing players and managers at clubs that have less pressure and thus players who can play with more freedom (and probably playing at clubs that don’t have the baggage that we impose on everybody we hire/sign) is a bit redundant.
Think of players who had unreal stats at decent teams in top leagues but struggled to bring them levels to bigger clubs. I think it’s Riquelme and Mendieta that come to mind. Both quality players but when they got a chance at bigger clubs they couldn’t handle it.
There’s plenty of examples , but unless a player/manager has succeded in a pressure cooker environment at the top level , it’s apples and oranges comparisons. So for me Bruno has done extraordinarily well with us and if anything he’s been one of our best signings in 11 years. I can’t think of many senior ones (maybe zlatan) who we got more bang for our buck.
But then you look at the team being built to suit him. How much does that play a role? Would we be better with a more rounded player in his position who is more controlled. Bruno shooting in that Luton game in injury time , when ball was in corner was bad. They nearly equalised moments later.
Considering the bullsh*t going on at the club I’d call Bruno a great buy and a great player for us. I still think there’s a case that if we had a more settled , balanced team, he may be worth replacing, but there’s plenty of work to do in that squad before focusing on Bruno
He definitely creates better chances.Speaking of seeing with your own eyes… you’ll clearly see it could be true but De Bruyne gets more credit because he has the players upfront to finish them… how many chances has Bruno created that have been missed by our attackers. We squander way too many chances. That’s the reason De Bruyne ends up with more assist but it doesn’t mean he creates more.
Quantity over quality.I’m just going of the stats… search it up. Bruno Fernandes has created the most chances this season in the premier league… which is surprising that he’s only got a few assist.
Of course every single player misses chances but again… it’s about who misses the most. You can’t deny that we miss tons of chances every game that should be goals. The game against Luton for example we should have scored at least 5 minimum.Again….Are you telling me Fulham players and Leicester players don’t miss chances?
The Bournemouth game at home Bruno statistically recorded 6 chances created. How?
Agreed. Players like Garnacho, Rashford need to be more clinical.He definitely creates better chances.
I mean De bruyne makes better chances, Bruno spams half chances a lot.Agreed. Players like Garnacho, Rashford need to be more clinical.
Ye his final ball lately has been shocking. Still think if we had someone in the same league as Haaland then a lot of our chances would be converted.I mean De bruyne makes better chances, Bruno spams half chances a lot.