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The first goal was saveable but he was unsighted. Made a couple of good saves after that. Cant be blamed fir 2 very well hit pens and the deflected rocket shot.
Agree. Yep, there are falls to his game but whoever is in the net, we be talking about theirs too. I think we have seen even the best ones make mistakes this season. The difference is, easier to hide when you are winning....As is the pile on.
He's had a really good couple of months and it was fairly quiet in here, lets in one saveable shot and all of sudden he is back to being shit again.
I agree about his technique, I've posted about it before, but he's still a good keeper who's been playing well lately, distribution hasn't been great, but his short game is better than his long game, the problem at the minute is for ball progression out of the defensive third the players just aren't there for his short game to be utilised to it's potential.
Yeah not good that our starting keeper has such a glaring weakness.If I was a striker, I’d be going low against him every time. He can’t get down, every questionable goal is along the ground and his best saves are waist height or above.
Some goalkeeping nerd must have stats for expected goals conceded when then ball is 0.5 meters off the floor or less.
Not true at all. In his very last game his best save of the match (and one of his best of the season) was a ball that as skimming the grass on the way to him.If I was a striker, I’d be going low against him every time. He can’t get down, every questionable goal is along the ground and his best saves are waist height or above.
Some goalkeeping nerd must have stats for expected goals conceded when then ball is 0.5 meters off the floor or less.
This topic was fairly quiet for some time because Onana was actually playing really well. The moment he lets in a goal where he could have done better it becomes active again with post in the category of 'told you so i was right all along' and that Onana is absolute trash. Keepers do make mistakes from time to time. When was Onana his last mistake? Every time Onana could have done better people will pile on them because they want to double down on their earlier claim and dont like that Onana made them look stupid with his performances.The stretching to absolve him of blame is nothing if not predictable. It shows the lower standards people have come to expect when he makes a horlicks of a simple bread and butter save and people rush to come up with reasons it's not his fault.
I've said it from the start, time and time again, it's his technique. It's poor and it's leading to goals like this over and over again. Even on the saves he makes (including last night) it's an absolute lottery where to ball goes after he saves it, he nearly punched a free kick in to the roof of the net last night and another when he slapped it down in to the 6 yard box needing a defender to clear.
I really, really hope we act decisively and get rid of this liability ASAP, particularly when the manager that lumbered us with him hopefully moves on.
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That’s great but I said every questionable goal is along the ground. I’m not saying he never saves them.Not true at all. In his very last game his best save of the match (and one of his best of the season) was a ball that as skimming the grass on the way to him.
I actually think his best save this season was against Brighton, from Fati, which got overlooked in the shitness of the game overall and a nervous early season performance from Onana. That was another daisy cutter.
From the top of my head, yes this is mostly true. His technique/footwork is very inconsistent.That’s great but I said every questionable goal is along the ground. I’m not saying he never saves them.
I might be talking out my arse, or I might watch a compilation of his mistakes tomorrow and let you know.
It’s not great but I honestly think there’s a copycat effect thing going on. Players think (know?) he’s error prone and try their luck. More troubling are the xg adjusted stats and the eye-watering fragility and openness.He must feel like he is playing a different sport…. He used to play for clubs that dominated most games in their leagues. Clubs that played the ball from the back swiftly and conceded very few shots per game…. He is now the keeper of a team that plays like a relegation side.
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This defense doesn't stand to reason. If Onana faces 30 shots he's supposed to save he should save all 30 shots. If he saves 27 shots he's supposed to save but is beaten by 3 other shots he's supposed to save, he doesn't get a pass on those 3 because he saved 27.The gall to criticise the keeper of a top 6 team that faces the same number of shots as a bottom 3 team. If he was a former Luton OR Sheffield United keeper, then I'd say understandable. But we are talking of a keeper coming from teams who do not and should not face more that 10-15 shots a game and here he is being peppered match after match and people have the audacity to talk about weakness and flaws. I shake my head vigorously.
The gall to criticise the keeper of a top 6 team that faces the same number of shots as a bottom 3 team. If he was a former Luton OR Sheffield United keeper, then I'd say understandable. But we are talking of a keeper coming from teams who do not and should not face more that 10-15 shots a game and here he is being peppered match after match and people have the audacity to talk about weakness and flaws. I shake my head vigorously.
Thanks to Onana.Most of those shots are not on target though.
We face 5.03 shots per game that are on target, which is exactly the same as Newcastle for example.
However they have conceeded 111 less shots than us, but 8 more goals from those shots.
We have the lowest ratio of goals conceeded per shot in the league.
Wow! Goal keepers turn teams to goal scoring juggernauts. I thought that was the job of the atackers. My bad, my football knowledge isn't that great. It's amazing the mental gymnastics you had to go through to convince yourself that a top 6 team goal keeper facing 30 shots per game is normal and he must save all. Left to you, there'd be no defenders in front of him at all just to see how great he is at being a football magnet. Onana, the goal keeper that never let's a ball through.This defense doesn't stand to reason. If Onana faces 30 shots he's supposed to save he should save all 30 shots. If he saves 27 shots he's supposed to save but is beaten by 3 other shots he's supposed to save, he doesn't get a pass on those 3 because he saved 27.
Onana is a decent keeper, neither remarkable as a shot stopper nor in terms of command of the box. His footwork is above average, although his footwork has in no way transformed United into goal-scoring juggernaut. It wouldn't be hard to identify 10 better keepers in the PL alone, although he's done enough for me this season to not worry about the keeper position for the next 2-3 seasons as we have much higher priorities to address if we're going to seriously compete for a top four spot again.
You also said his best saves are waist high or above. Which was what I was disagreeing with.That’s great but I said every questionable goal is along the ground. I’m not saying he never saves them.
I might be talking out my arse, or I might watch a compilation of his mistakes tomorrow and let you know.
Hopefully this is satire and not a sincere belief that if a keeper stops 15 easy shots that he can be forgiven for having failed to stop 5 easy shots that squibbed between his gloves then his legs.Wow! Goal keepers turn teams to goal scoring juggernauts. I thought that was the job of the atackers. My bad, my football knowledge isn't that great. It's amazing the mental gymnastics you had to go through to convince yourself that a top 6 team goal keeper facing 30 shots per game is normal and he must save all. Left to you, there'd be no defenders in front of him at all just to see how great he is at being a football magnet. Onana, the goal keeper that never let's a ball through.
Right. Clearly I’m not talking in definitive terms here. He’s making 20 saves a game, of course it will be a mix of heights. I can certainly remember a lot more acrobatic saves higher up, but like I said, I’m just going off memory.You also said his best saves are waist high or above. Which was what I was disagreeing with.
That particular poster has been banging on about people saying he would transform the attack since last year. Hasn't been able to provide a stitch or proof of anyone actually saying that. But yet, here they are again after he lets in a poor goal trotting out the same nonsense.Wow! Goal keepers turn teams to goal scoring juggernauts. I thought that was the job of the atackers. My bad, my football knowledge isn't that great. It's amazing the mental gymnastics you had to go through to convince yourself that a top 6 team goal keeper facing 30 shots per game is normal and he must save all. Left to you, there'd be no defenders in front of him at all just to see how great he is at being a football magnet. Onana, the goal keeper that never let's a ball through.
How many shots are top 6 keepers supposed to face then?Wow! Goal keepers turn teams to goal scoring juggernauts. I thought that was the job of the atackers. My bad, my football knowledge isn't that great. It's amazing the mental gymnastics you had to go through to convince yourself that a top 6 team goal keeper facing 30 shots per game is normal and he must save all. Left to you, there'd be no defenders in front of him at all just to see how great he is at being a football magnet. Onana, the goal keeper that never let's a ball through.
Any good striker does this anyway - it’s harder to get down than save something at waist height or above. Goals like this go in every week, there’s nothing wrong saying he could have got his hand to it but it’s hardly a huge error.If I was a striker, I’d be going low against him every time. He can’t get down, every questionable goal is along the ground and his best saves are waist height or above.
Some goalkeeping nerd must have stats for expected goals conceded when then ball is 0.5 meters off the floor or less.
Less than half what we are conceeding according to this table:How many shots are top 6 keepers supposed to face then?
We’re winning something this year.Less than half what we are conceeding according to this table:
“They are developing very well in their progress. We are in a good way, a good direction and need to make the next steps. You need to follow the process.”Less than half what we are conceeding according to this table:
What is good enough?He's great with the ball but his saves and general keeping are not good enough.
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Sorry, their finishing was awful not that Onana made the saves.What is good enough?
We are unbeaten against Pool this season and he certainly contributed to this… Last year we lost 7-0 to a lower xGs than this.
(not to forget they needed a very soft pen to equalise)
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Most saves out of any keeper in the league.He's great with the ball but his saves and general keeping are not good enough.