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[neverdie]

What canada witholding weapons and any EU state would do to Israel? 70% of arms that israel gets is from the US and US is giving many other billions for free to Israel

Those weapons can also stop flowing. Again, when Nancy Pelosi is arguing that position, with contingencies, you should understand a broader view.

 

[4bars]

Those weapons can also stop flowing. Again, when Nancy Pelosi is arguing that position, with contingencies, you should understand a broader view.

They already have plenty of weapons. But instead of bombing them 100 times a day, they would bomb them 20. They themselves produce weapons. Also, many other countries would sell this arms if the almost impossible event US would not supply them with arms.

- But yeah, US will not stop supplying
- Israel doesn't need it with just against Palestine
- They don't care as they want the holly land to be complete

Nothing relevant is going to happen. period

 

[neverdie]

Nothing relevant is going to happen. period

Relevant things have already happened. Your go-to is just "nothing will change" even as I am witnessing the geopolitical landscape of that world and the world in general change every day.

It's not just the weapons. It's what stands behind that, too. US support for Israel has never been lower in the highest circles.

 

[That_Bloke]

That is actually insane. The tipping point in this long-winded horror show. States will drop Israel like it's North Korea. Guaranteed if they go into that 1.4m strong camp heavy. It's almost as if Israel is so far right-wing that it needs to be despised the world over, and feel the consequences, before they alter their practice into some form of normality.

The world's most moral war criminals are pulling out of Gaza and allowong the inhabitants to return to their "homes" to reduce the international pressure and the numbers of the future victims in Rafah. The WCK six white aid workers were a bit too much. By doing so, it won't be very bad, but okay bad. You know, the kind of bad that brings Biden, his administration and the West to raise concerns about the civilians death toll.

I'm personally convinced that Israel will go into Rafah, the question is when and how.

 

[4bars]

Relevant things have already happened. Your go-to is just "nothing will change" even as I am witnessing the geopolitical landscape of that world and the world in general change every day.

It's not just the weapons. It's what stands behind that, too. US support for Israel has never been lower in the highest circles.

Well lets agree to disagree

First, I hope the Rafah invasion doesn't happen and a ceasefire is achieved
Second, if Rafah happens I hope wholeheartly that you are right and it changes the injustice that the Palestinians are suffering

 

[VorZakone]

Of the eight major hospitals responsible for collating morgue data, just three are still providing information to the health ministry.

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[That_Bloke]

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That explains the relatively lower death toll in the past weeks. I'm certain that the death is well beyond 40,000.

 

[4bars]

That explains the relatively lower death toll in the past weeks. I'm certain that the death is well beyond 40,000.

With people missing, when they hit 30k in february, was probably already 40k. After 1 month an a half, surely counting unverified, it reached 50k

 

[Pintu]

 

[Giggsyking]

Germany's history in the last 120 years has been nothing but destructive to humanity. How can they be on the wrong side all the time?

 

[hellhunter]

The flak Germany is getting is certainly justified, but some of the comments are just ridiculous. I'm sure the reunification was purely destructive to humanity

 

[Giggsyking]

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There are 10-15k people missing in Gaza. If they are all dead (which is most probable) then that will take the death toll to cirka 50k.

 

[Giggsyking]

The flak Germany is getting is certainly justified, but some of the comments are just ridiculous. I'm sure the reunification was purely destructive to humanity

On the international stage, though, 2 genocides and aiding in a 3rd. There is no other country in the world with that dark history.

 

[Giggsyking]

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I will beat you with your own stick.

 

[Giggsyking]

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“If you want to do it as an application of law, I believe that they’ll find that it is genocide, and they have ample evidence to do so,” Warren said of the case before the ICJ.

 

[Giggsyking]

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[Pintu]

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“If you want to do it as an application of law, I believe that they’ll find that it is genocide, and they have ample evidence to do so,” Warren said of the case before the ICJ.

” If you want to do it as an application of law, I believe that they’ll find that it is genocideand they have ample evidence to do so,” Warren said of the case before the ICJ.


What does she mean exactly?

 

[Goldfiessli]

” If you want to do it as an application of law, I believe that they’ll find that it is genocideand they have ample evidence to do so,” Warren said of the case before the ICJ.


What does she mean exactly?

probably that the concept of genocide has a legal dimension (outlined in the Genocide Convention), but also a non-legal dimension.

what she seems to say is that if you apply the relevant law the courts will find the legal criteria of genocide to be fulfilled in this case.

 

[The Corinthian]

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I will beat you with your own stick.

What's the practical implication of Germany being 'guilty' here? I'm glad they're getting dragged, but does it materialise into anything meaningful?

 

[Giggsyking]

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Does anyone trust these publications anymore. The friends and relatives who were subscribers (I was not) to NYT and WP unsubscribed.

 

[Giggsyking]

What's the practical implication of Germany being 'guilty' here? I'm glad they're getting dragged, but does it materialise into anything meaningful?

4 things

1. It will order Germany as a state to stop the weapon sells.
2. It will put Germany under the risk of international sanctions.
3. It will put Germany under risk of compensations to the Palestinian state and Palestinians for the harm they caused by being complicit in War crimes.
4. It will open a door for individuals (German political leaders) to be trialed in a criminal court in the ICC (not the ICJ) for complicity in war crimes.

But all of the above is very hard to happen, because if you listen to the British lawyer he said powerful countries get away with murder.

 

[The Corinthian]

4 things

1. It will order Germany as a state to stop the weapon sells.
2. It will put Germany under the risk of international sanctions.
3. It will put Germany under risk of compensations to the Palestinian state and Palestinians for the harm they caused by being complicit in War crimes.
4. It will open a door for individuals (German political leaders) to be trialed in a criminal court in the ICC (not the ICJ) for complicity in war crimes.

But all of the above is very hard to happen, because if you listen to the British lawyer he said powerful countries get away with murder.

That's what I was getting at. We can order Germany to stop, but there's no way the West will sanction them, and there's no way they'll compensate Palestinians.

The 'moral high ground' the West believe they had on the wider world has all but eroded in the last 6 months. Like I said, I'm glad they're getting dragged over it, and I hope they're found guilty as the world will remember it, but I can't see any meaningful change post the outcome (hope I'm wrong though).

 

[Giggsyking]

” If you want to do it as an application of law, I believe that they’ll find that it is genocideand they have ample evidence to do so,” Warren said of the case before the ICJ.


What does she mean exactly?

She is saying some countries are above the law and we know which countries are these.

 

[hellhunter]

On the international stage, though, 2 genocides and aiding in a 3rd. There is no other country in the world with that dark history.

That's also just plain nonsense. The sheer atrocity of WWII will of course skew any numbers

 

[Pintu]

What's the practical implication of Germany being 'guilty' here? I'm glad they're getting dragged, but does it materialise into anything meaningful?

I don’t think they can be found guilty even if Israel is ultimately found guilty… it’s hard to prove the German government intended to assist genocide… whatever knowledge the German government had of the Israeli government’s true intentions is deeply buried in state secrets and the court will never get to it.

 

[Kaos]

I'm still baffled at what Germany seek to gain here. Yes I understand the whole historical guilt angle, but its hardly good optics trying to atone for horrible crimes of the past by attempting to whitewash or shut down any discourse regarding potentially similar crimes occurring now. They could have easily just taken the default European/North American stance of 'Israel has the right to defend itself, bring hostages home blah blah' and they wouldn't be accused of old habits. The whole going out of their way to attempt to absolve Israel at the ICJ, while shutting down any dissent or discourse regarding Palestinian injustices in their country seems unnecessarily excessive. If it is indeed just historical guilt driving this behaviour then they must see the unfortunate irony of their stance here, especially considering the grave implications of whats at stake for the Palestinians here.

 

[Pintu]

On the international stage, though, 2 genocides and aiding in a 3rd. There is no other country in the world with that dark history.

Britain, Russia and America are just as bad… if not worse, they’ve never learned from their history and barely admitted any wrongdoings.

Germany was actually doing all right recovering from their past… until now.

 

[Giggsyking]

I don’t think they can be found guilty even if Israel is ultimately found guilty… it’s hard to prove the German government intended to assist genocide… whatever knowledge the German government had of the Israeli government’s true intentions is deeply buried in state secrets and the court will never get to it.

Well, they cant say we did not know, because there is a ruling on Jan 2024 from the ICJ that warned about a plausible genocide. The ICJ can not sit and tell what every country do after that ruling. The Germans should have ceased their arm sales in Jan just like the court in the Netherlands did back then.

 

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[ManUtd1999]

On the international stage, though, 2 genocides and aiding in a 3rd. There is no other country in the world with that dark history.

Germany has a tendency to be on the wrong side of history.

 

[That_Bloke]

A nothing interview.

Jon Stewart has no knowledge of the region. He does have an obvious bias for Israel though, no matter how hard he tries to hide it. Amanpour is tip toeing around the CNN editorial line and doesn't really say anthing.

The occupation of the Palestinian territories isn't mentioned once. Israel's major part in the failure of the peace process and propping up Hamas as well as its financing, which lead to 10/7 is completely glossed over. No word about the systematic destruction of all civilian infrastructures, the famine used as a weapon and the countless war crimes committed in the last six months as well.

They're both banging the official "The war started on 10/7" drum and boiling the onslaught down to a disproportionate response from Israel. One because it could cost her her job, the other because he doesn't have a clue.

So are you, I suppose.

 

[neverdie]

A nothing interview.

Jon Stewart has no knowledge of the region. He does have an obvious bias for Israel though, no matter how hard he tries to hide it. Amanpour is tip toeing around the CNN editorial line and doesn't really say anthing.

The occupation of the Palestinian territories isn't mentioned once. Israel's major part in the failure of the peace process, the creation of Hamas which lead to 10/7 is completely glossed over. No mention of the famine used as a weapon and multiple war crimes committed in the last six months as well.

They're banging the "War started 10/7" and boiling the onslaught down to a disproportionate response.

So are you, I suppose.

It's exactly that.

2% of all children in Gaza have been either killed or injured.

 

[Idxomer]

153 killed, 60 injured in Gaza in last 24 hours: Health Ministry

The casualties bring the total number of people killed in Gaza since October 7 to 33,360, with 75,993 wounded, according to the ministry. At least 7,000 additional people are missing, presumed buried under the debris after six months of Israeli bombing. The death toll includes more than 14,500 children and 9,560 women.

 

[Idxomer]

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[That_Bloke]

It's exactly that.

2% of all children in Gaza have been either killed or injured.

That's not accounting the ones who will die from their injuries, malnourishment and/or disease.

All of them are left permanently traumatized by the daily bombing and constant death around them. Trained adult soldiers have seen their life destroyed for much less. There has been a new medical acronym coined just for the Gazans: CTSD. Constant Traumatic Stress Disorder. Just imagine how the next generation of Gazans will look like.

What Israel has been inflicting to the Palestinians, not only in the last six months but the past decades, is nothing short of monstrous.

 

[Idxomer]

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[maniak]

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Shocking!

 

[4bars]

On the international stage, though, 2 genocides and aiding in a 3rd. There is no other country in the world with that dark history.

UK had been worse in terms of genocides. Comes to mind, India during WWII (and before and after with more than 100 million), Kenya after WWII and SA early XXth century. And not that UK is not supporting Israel. UK has a way darker history than germany by any account. France and Spain are close

 

[Giggsyking]

A nothing interview.

Jon Stewart has no knowledge of the region. He does have an obvious bias for Israel though, no matter how hard he tries to hide it. Amanpour is tip toeing around the CNN editorial line and doesn't really say anthing.

The occupation of the Palestinian territories isn't mentioned once. Israel's major part in the failure of the peace process and propping up Hamas as well as its financing, which lead to 10/7 is completely glossed over. No word about the systematic destruction of all civilian infrastructures, the famine used as a weapon and the countless war crimes committed in the last six months as well.

They're both banging the official "The war started on 10/7" drum and boiling the onslaught down to a disproportionate response from Israel. One because it could cost her her job, the other because he doesn't have a clue.

So are you, I suppose.

John Stewart is not that Pro Israel, he is pretty much in the middle and sometime on Palestinians side. Check the rest of the episode.

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He is much better than most talkshow hosts in the media.