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They were incredibly shit playing for us except Lukaku.3 players that would all upgrade our current team.
They were incredibly shit playing for us except Lukaku.3 players that would all upgrade our current team.
ETH said nothing wrong about Sancho, Sancho publicly called his manager a liar then refused to apologize. Has a history of this type of behavior since City.....and go figure, ends up in the UCL final.It's unbelievable that both are professional being paid millions of pounds per year but acted like a child from both side.
1) The player didn't train properly
2) The manager announced to whole world in the media
3) The player defended himself
4) The manager asked for public apology
5) The player refused
6) The player was out of the team a few months
7) The player go on loan
The club is valued at 5-6Billions and we are talking about a 80M asset. I would have thought the club should have a standard procedure to deal with trivial matters like this? How badly run we are and now ETH is following Murtough's way?
Maybe ETH is a liar. He tells us United are one of the most "dynamic and entertaining" teams in the league.ETH said nothing wrong about Sancho, Sancho publicly called his manager a liar then refused to apologize. Has a history of this type of behavior since City.....and go figure, ends up in the UCL final.
Shite at training, constantly being late, overly shite in matches....yeah lets side with the player and his buddies. Pathetic lot if any of those guys went along with downed tools because of Sancho.Maybe ETH is a liar. He tells us United are one of the most "dynamic and entertaining" teams in the league.
If Sancho wasn't upto it in training, fine, leave him out. Deal with it internally.
Ten Hag chose to go public. And i think if he got asked that question again, he would answer differently. He was frustrated post the Arsenal loss.
Yes, Sancho is a baby and should never have gone to twitter, but if he genuinely thinks he trained upto standard, then i can see why he may be frustrated. Saying someone's training wasn't up to scratch is a pretty damning thing to say about a player publicly. I dont recall a manager every saying that about a player.
We don't know for sure, but i dont think this has helped Ten Hag this season. Seeing one of your mates frozen out and training with the kids cant be good for morale.
And besides, Sancho is an asset with a large monetary value. So short sighted to devalue this asset by telling the world he is a shitty trainer.
Sancho has won this one. He is off to the CL final. Ten Hag is heading for the sack.
Agree with this. Very much a system player that does well playing intrecrate, passing football.He was very badly profiled by Solksjaer. Doesn't have the pace to consistently beat a defender and is best suited to making quick passes forward and then running on to link the attack further. When he first arrived we tried using him as a runner like Rashford and it just didn't work. Would have been far better suited to a Guardiola side. But then again they work relentlessly off the ball and Sancho doesn't really.
Never should have signed him in hindsight. I don't think he's in any way shown that he's good enough to have a future at United anyway, even if he's made it to a Champions League final. He's a gifted player without the athleticism to thrive consistently.
Says the manager, who we know is deluded.Shite at training, constantly being late, overly shite in matches....yeah lets side with the player and his buddies. Pathetic lot if any of those guys went along with downed tools because of Sancho.
Was last season just my imagination?Says the manager, who we know is deluded.
Fine for a manager to be a disciplarian, but he has to command respect first. For that, he needs to be winning games and his tactics need to be right. Ten Hag has done neither, so shouldn't have been swinging his cock about like he was Fergie.
The players lost belief in him. He talks shit, his signings are shit and his tactics are shit. Then he creates another problem in forcing Sancho to train with the reserves. Another reason for players to lose faith.
I agree, the last thing we need is 24 year old senior player who hasn't lived up to his potential, in a position of influence with new arrivals.The guy wasn't great for United and whenever he played he wasn't very good at all. He played under Solskjaer, Carrick and Rangnick before ETH, none of which got a tune out of him. When ETH came in the standards in the club were awful, Sancho trained terribly and his performances weren't good either. In a time when the squad are lazy and the work ethic is poor and aren't playing for the badge - attempting to make this guy a united player is a waste of time. It sends out completely the wrong message. I hope dortmund win the champions league so we can get some good money for him.
Should have apologised and played second fiddle to the Brazilian fidget spinner but alas he chose to play in the champions league final while the great Eric the Ten Hag is playing dynamic and entertaining football against the likes of Burnley and Crystal Palace.
Poor lad I feel for him.
He’d be dreadful at both as he’s lazy, slow and won’t press.Agree with this. Very much a system player that does well playing intrecrate, passing football.
I bet he would shine at Arsenal or City.
As you say, badly profiled. Before we start thinking about wide players who can retain the ball, we should first have midfielders who can do the same.
They haven’t but ETH is still here and they need to vent.Do people have short memories? Have they forgotten how shit Sancho was while playing for Man Utd. He is not suited for intensity of PL.
He wasn't even very good last night either. Was amazed how excited McCoist was getting every time he even got close to the ball.
As the old saying goes, you're not paid to play you're paid to train. He refused to do all 5 press ups as the 'punishment' for being on the losing side of some passing drill... he allegedly gets paid 250-350k a week.
My sister in law works 12 hour shifts as a nurse, gets paid feck all in comparison and has all manner of horrible people verbally abusing her because they have to wait a long time to be seen.
Perspective
Tbh I don't even think that is that bad? If he refused to do the drill, sure, but refusing punishment isn't the same.He wasn't even very good last night either. Was amazed how excited McCoist was getting every time he even got close to the ball.
As the old saying goes, you're not paid to play you're paid to train. He refused to do all 5 press ups as the 'punishment' for being on the losing side of some passing drill... he allegedly gets paid 250-350k a week.
My sister in law works 12 hour shifts as a nurse, gets paid feck all in comparison and has all manner of horrible people verbally abusing her because they have to wait a long time to be seen.
Perspective
Both need to go.They haven’t but ETH is still here and they need to vent.
Altough Sancho was in the wrong I think the whole thing was mishandled. Maybe Arnold and Murtagh could or should have did more.Such mismanagement of the situation. I don't even think the manager should have said what they did initially, especially on the back of another defeat - he did feel/read as scapegoating to me, but ultimately, could have just gave him a dressing down and fined him, then reintegrated him, rather than big bad wolf ultimatums and banishing the player from training with the first team and then loaning them out.
Even worse is that for all the big disciplinarian antics, can't even get a tune or result out of the players. Said it before, but if you're going to make big decisions you need to show results otherwise you just look like a goof.
You shouldn’t be, McMoist is a very excitable chap, and loves a cause.Was amazed how excited McCoist was getting every time he even got close to the ball.
But then followed it up by calling his manager a liar in public. How would Ferguson have dealt with that do you think? Or even the self policing that the then squad full of winners would have done for him?Tbh I don't even think that is that bad? If he refused to do the drill, sure, but refusing punishment isn't the same.
I imagine that if Fergie was in charge or the squad full of winners was in place then it wouldn't have got to that situation in the first place.But then followed it up by calling his manager a liar in public. How would Ferguson have dealt with that do you think? Or even the self policing that the then squad full of winners would have done for him?
There were plenty of players shown the door for such things over the years. Look at Jaap Stam, just for writing a book and giving away dressing room infoI imagine that if Fergie was in charge or the squad full of winners was in place then it wouldn't have got to that situation in the first place.
I don't recall prolonged periods of toxicity though with players or the squad under Fergie or that side is what I mean. It was a situation that happened and was dealt with very quickly. The environment of United now is very different and it's a breeding ground for negativity.There were plenty of players shown the door for such things over the years. Look at Jaap Stam, just for writing a book and giving away dressing room info
Well said.Such mismanagement of the situation. I don't even think the manager should have said what they did initially, especially on the back of another defeat - he did feel/read as scapegoating to me, but ultimately, could have just gave him a dressing down and fined him, then reintegrated him, rather than big bad wolf ultimatums and banishing the player from training with the first team and then loaning them out.
Even worse is that for all the big disciplinarian antics, can't even get a tune or result out of the players. Said it before, but if you're going to make big decisions you need to show results otherwise you just look like a goof.
Ronaldo has definitely done better than expected in Saudi Arabia, his numbers are impressive and he's scored plenty of really great goals there. That does not mean he's not over the top and done on the biggest stage.That's obviously true but still scoring 44 goals in 45 matches (29 goals in 26 league matches) is hardly easy and not something of a finished player. The second top striker in the league is Mitrovic at 22 goals, a very good player. Malcom has scored 13 goals, Mane 12, Benzema 9, Mahrez 10 etc, so hardly a very easy league to score. I am pretty sure that Weghorst and Hojlund wouldn't be scoring at anywhere that rate there.
Just because Fergie and serial winners aren’t there anymore Ten Hag should just let everything fly?I imagine that if Fergie was in charge or the squad full of winners was in place then it wouldn't have got to that situation in the first place.
Some people reassess situations and come to different conclusions based on updated info and expectations....Do people have short memories? Have they forgotten how shit Sancho was while playing for Man Utd. He is not suited for intensity of PL.
No? I'm saying that if you're going to compare Ten Hag to Fergie then you also need to compare and contextualise the state of the clubs in those days also. United wasn't a breeding ground for negativity under Fergie where players needed to go into a side to try and get the club back to it's best or lift the mood. They weren't entering a negative environment. Perhaps Fergie would have understood how to deal with Sancho better and his character. Obviously Sancho has partial blame in the way he handled the situation but the way United is and perhaps the way Ten Hag is, isn't exactly a happy as larry environment either and can cause some players such as Sancho to shrink and underperform.Just because Fergie and serial winners aren’t there anymore Ten Hag should just let everything fly?
I was sure Stam was really sold to balance the books after Utd signed Veron and RVN, the whole book thing / achilles concerns were just an excuse.There were plenty of players shown the door for such things over the years. Look at Jaap Stam, just for writing a book and giving away dressing room info
Not sure I buy all of this. If he was constantly shite in training and late, I highly doubt Dortmund would have tolerated that and loaned him back.Shite at training, constantly being late, overly shite in matches....yeah lets side with the player and his buddies. Pathetic lot if any of those guys went along with downed tools because of Sancho.