We won’t get another keeper now. No chance. We’re on a tight budget and only just bought Onana, he’ll get another season. Hopefully in a better system and a team that doesn’t concede 20+ shots every game he may come good
Onana has not worked out. We need a new keeper.
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Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
Lies, damn lies and statistics - Mark Twain.
Take a look at the EPL table, that blows all your statistis out of the window.
Ricky Gervais once said,
When you are dead, you don't know you are dead.
It's the same when you are stupid.
What's your point? Without Onana we would be much lower in the table. You're reinforcing my argument without realizing it
My point is (and I shouldn't have to explain it, but here goes)
Despite all the stats people like you throw up, he's still picked the ball out of the net 81 times this season.
He's had more cock ups than a whore
His distribution is worse than a blind postman
And finally we are 8th in the table, with a negative goal difference. That is the only stat that counts, we would be in no worse a position if we had kept De Gea, and bought a decent midlfielder !
So if Ederson played for United, and conceded 81 goals, he would be a shit keeper? Whilst Onana would be conceding way less at City.
If you don't understand how facing more shots will result in more goals conceded, no matter who you have in goal, then please don't reply to this post as you clearly don't understand anything
Can someone tell.me how to block posters please
Please admit you haven't watched him, really you haven't have you ?
He concedes goals that other keepers would save.
Please before you type another word, go and watch some games again, and this time take those rose tinted glasses off.
As an instance, watch the Palace game again, and tell me all those goals were unstoppable.
Oh and FYI, shots conceded inludes those that go high, wide, and are blocked by defenders, so thats a bit of info you should take into consideration when making wild statements.
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If we were to sign Lunin how long would it be before we got threads like this about him and people blaming him for every goal we conceed.
The truth is no keeper would have suceeded in our team this season with no real defence or midfield in front of them.
Except that I've mentioned several times this season that his shot-stopping has to improve because some of the howlers have been unacceptable.
But every single possession-based top team concedes a fraction of the number of shots and chances we do. And Onana's strengths are suited to a possession-based team. That's why he was brought in over better shot-stoppers.
Also can't take anyone seriously that claims his distribution is bad. It's one of the best in the world. He's a top 2 passer in the Premier League behind Ederson. You don't know what you're talking about.
It doesn't though. There are obvious examples where he should do better, but he also makes some fantastic saves. He generally rushes out well too. I've already claimed he's only above average shot stopper that's good on the ball. We're yet to really see the fruits of that final attribute, but he has shown glimpse of some fantastic distribution.
More stats that mean nothing
Watch the Palace game and then tell me how good his distribution is.
Your defence of him is admirable.
But wrong.
If he is that good,
Why did Inter let him go (When they had paid f'all for him)
Why did Ajax let him go
I would genuinely like to see a reel of his fantastic saves for us
Oh God no I just think rojo is a on wum and can't be arsed seeing his posts
His distribution will be regularly great in a possession-based team and with outfield players who know where to position themselves when the goalkeeper has the ball.
Are you seriously asking why Inter and Ajax let him go?
Inter let him go because: 1. The player wanted to go 2. They don't have the ambition to keep their best players no matter what, because they're a Serie A club who aren't rich 3. They can't pass up on 43m a year after getting him on a free.
Ajax let him go because Onana wasn't willing to renew his contract, but even if he would have been, Ajax are a selling club these days that only intends to dominate the Eredivisie (6th best league in the world), and make a shit ton of money by buying and/or developing a lot of talents for a few years before selling them for a big fee. So Onana would've eventually left for better club in a top 5 league either way.
You asking these questions and completely dismissing statistics because you think your surface-level knowledge that you gain by watching games is more reliable makes me think you are very uninformed about this topic.
P.S: You should rewatch his performances at Anfield and the Etihad this season, that will tell you why Onana is light years ahead of De Gea if you're building a possession-based team in modern day football.
Found this, it's 4 mins long, take into account they show most of the saves twice, quite a few of them are not what I would call "great" more like bread and butter, and a fair few hit him, rather than him actually saving them,
Thank you. Just started watching it.
That 3rd one in against city
Diving on the spot and wristing it anywhere.It's obviously escaped you that we are not a possession based team, we simply do not have (even with 100% fit) players capable of retaining the ball.
He only played 24 games for Inter, any team would take 43m + add ons for a keeper like him.
I dismiss statistics because they mean nothing.
If you are saying we should retain him because he played well against two teams, then you seriously need help.
So; what you are saying is that what I and a lot of others see when he plays is our eyes lying to us, and we are really winning these games, and we are in fact top of the EPL because your "statistics" say we should be!
Let me go away and think about that one for a moment.
Statistically that table is upside downHe's Matt Turner?
Ok. Meh. Not sure what to say. He made a good save against Brighton and the pen was his best save. The rest is what you expect any keeper in any league to make I think. If that’s his best saves all in one vid and they had to include the most boring of ones to puff it up I disagree with people saying he’s made lots of fantastic saves and we’d be lower in the league without him.
didnt watch the vid, this was enough
Also take into account that if any of those teams had a Van Nistelrooy or similar, the goals conceded tally would have been a lot higher, the number of times he pushes the ball back into the danger area is alarming.
The van Dyke one is straight at him, he cannot fail to save that, (well it's Onana, so he could), the one form Haaland hits him on the shoulder, he knows f'all about it.
Some of them are what I remember Schmiechel calling camera shot, easy, but you make them look hard purely for the camera.
Why would I have any difficulty quoting objective statistics with a straight face?How can you watch Onana stink up the place for the entire season yet pull up statistics and tell me how he has prevented 5 more goals than he should have, and that with a straight face? There’s a 15 minute blooper reel of his cock ups and he has let 80 goals past him. And you need evidence
And yes average was indeed better than some of the crap being served last year by the likes of Antony, Weghorst, Eriksen, Casemiro, Fred and others. We scored 58 goals last year in the PL.
Onana has made some terrible errors, as DDG did last season, but in terms of stopping shots, he's been better at it this season than DDG was last season. The numbers don't lie, and if you can't accept them then maybe you should take a step back and look into why you can't be rational about this subject.
Stats are indeed great, they allow us to be objective in the face of irrational posters who are led by their opinion.
That's just silly, the table doesn't tell us how individual players are performing.
Not at all. Not even close.
He Should have said most of the saves twice… as a minimum! Most were shown four or five timesdidnt watch the vid, this was enough
I find this line of thinking bizarre. Are you suggesting that data isn't useful? The good old fashioned eye test is better?
Your stats say that Onana saved 5.7, that’s 5.7 more goals than he ‘should’ have. Do you realise how bizarre that sounds after just watching even the crystal palace game where he could or ‘should’ have saved Atleast 2 of them. It’s the most ridiculous stat I’ve seen to defend him.
Opta premier league stats, not my stats. And as I stated, they were as of the 10th April, it's likely changed in the last month. However it doesn't sound bizarre at all, you're referring to one match where he had a bit of a howler (which I agree he should have done better with 2 of their goals).
This is a great example of why stats are important in the face of irrationality - your perspective is skewed by our most recent match, hence your illogical argument that it somehow negates the stats from the rest of the season.
Come off it. There’s valid criticism but on the ball he’s world class. Yes he’s made mistakes with it but name me a ball playing keeper who hasn’t?
I said the Crystal Palace match as it was a perfect and recent example of saves he could or should have made. There’s been countless goals all season where fans have thought he could or should have done better with weak goals. Yet somehow you’ve got this stat saying he saved basically 6 more than he should have, after I’ve just watched a video of his best saves of the season and they were 99% bread and butter saves for any keeper, there was nowhere near 6 saves that were expected to be goals but Onana somehow pulled off a worldy
I mean he quite clearly isn’t. If we are starting to say that it’s clearly become agenda posting, because there’s plenty of legitimate criticism to level at him without making stuff up.
He's really not though. He can launch an accurate long ball every once in awhile, but so can many PL keepers nowadays. He was 1 for 10 against Palace.
Alright so we’ve hit the stage of nonsense in the thread. Good to know.
What's a stage of nonsense?
Apparently Bayindir has already agreed a move in the summer because he’s not happy with his lack of playing time and Heaton contract is due to expire. We will be signing at least 1 keeper so why not make Onana our no.2 or cup keeper?