Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

Once we start winning, whoever say that the system doesn't work will shut up. Football is about the players following instructions from the manager/coach. If they cannot do what the coach wants then the players need to leave United. Pep came and decided that he wants players to fit his football philosophy and City backed him. Who say this will never work? Till today, I cannot understand why we buy Mata (nice person), Antony, Casemiro and etc. Since I watched English football, the league is physical and fast. Amorim wants althetic and strong players is the right way to go regardless who is the manager.
 
r0663664 said:
Once we start winning, whoever say that the system doesn't work will shut up. Football is about the players following instructions from the manager/coach. If they cannot do what the coach wants then the players need to leave United. Pep came and decided that he wants players to fit his football philosophy and City backed him. Who say this will never work? Till today, I cannot understand why we buy Mata (nice person), Antony, Casemiro and etc. Since I watched English football, the league is physical and fast. Amorim wants althetic and strong players is the right way to go regardless who is the manager.
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It really depends, if we get half decent again the usual problem with 343 and high positional possession is you score less goals - if we are dominating games but drawing too often, finding it hard to put teams away, then I think the formation will become a talking point. That will be a nice problem to have compared to now which is simply we have a crap midfield and no WBs and 343 exacerbates both issues.
 
r0663664 said:
Once we start winning, whoever say that the system doesn't work will shut up. Football is about the players following instructions from the manager/coach. If they cannot do what the coach wants then the players need to leave United. Pep came and decided that he wants players to fit his football philosophy and City backed him. Who say this will never work? Till today, I cannot understand why we buy Mata (nice person), Antony, Casemiro and etc. Since I watched English football, the league is physical and fast. Amorim wants althetic and strong players is the right way to go regardless who is the manager.
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Flat earthers don't seem to shut up, so the anti Amorim crew will keep spamming no matter what.
 
r0663664 said:
Once we start winning, whoever say that the system doesn't work will shut up. Football is about the players following instructions from the manager/coach. If they cannot do what the coach wants then the players need to leave United. Pep came and decided that he wants players to fit his football philosophy and City backed him. Who say this will never work? Till today, I cannot understand why we buy Mata (nice person), Antony, Casemiro and etc. Since I watched English football, the league is physical and fast. Amorim wants althetic and strong players is the right way to go regardless who is the manager.
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Winning what? The occasional match here and there? Or home games against bottom 10 teams?
 
Jev said:
Well, the people who believe in the system haven’t shut up while we’ve been in relegation form.
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Abit hard to judge the guy when you take emotions out of it and think it through logically.

United only have Garnacho with pace until we bought Dorgu. Amad is injured, we’ve loaned out Rashford, Antony and Sancho without replacements.

United midfield is pretty weak, Casemiro has no legs, Erikson lightweight, Ugarte is a DM, Kobbie looking sluggish and Coly more of an energy player.

You never know what you’re getting with Onana. Holjund has no confidence, Zirkzee is a system player and not one who will change the game himself.

This team looks good playing big clubs because we sit back and hit them on the counter but that’s not what we want going forward.

I say give him a transfer window and next season. We’ve done neat and tidy recruitment, buying cheap athletic young players.

Of course we’re all upset with the results and the manager might not be the one but give him a chance. He deserves a fair shot unlike the pundits ignoring everything above and trying to create drama for views.
 
If our PL games ended at half time, we would be 18th on the log. Thats bottom three.
Against Arsenal was the first half time lead we've had since December 1st in the league. That some 3 months of PL football.

We start games poorly. This is reinforced by starting with 5 pure defenders + 1 or 2 defensive midfielders.

This is the main problem with Amorim.
 
roseguy64 said:
You can't believe that surely?

What do you mean?
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Well we’ve improved in possession against the bigger teams. We’re seeing more patterns of play emerge. Massive improvements. With the right quality players brought in we’ll look better instantly
 
Licha-Vidic said:
If our PL games ended at half time, we would be 18th on the log. Thats bottom three.
Against Arsenal was the first half time lead we've had since December 1st in the league. That some 3 months of PL football.

We start games poorly. This is reinforced by starting with 5 pure defenders + 1 or 2 defensive midfielders.

This is the main problem with Amorim.
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This is down to having what’s available. Bruno’s playing cm he isn’t a defensive midfielder. Hopefully in the summer he’ll address the RWB to being someone who’s more attack minded so it will basically be like playing 3-2-5
 
I still stand where I have stood. Sacking Amorim now would be madness and a disgrace to the club, but it would be fair game for club management -- whose credentials are not particularly stellar -- once the season has ended to review all options as far as Amorim's future. But as it stands right now, Ruben is our only hope of the next steps being forward steps.
 
lex talionis said:
I still stand where I have stood. Sacking Amorim now would be madness and a disgrace to the club, but it would be fair game for club management -- whose credentials are not particularly stellar -- once the season has ended to review all options as far as Amorim's future. But as it stands right now, Ruben is our only hope of the next steps being forward steps.
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Even the summer is too early to review options tbf. Except if SAF managed to de-age himself into his 1990 version and became available.

Their job is to back Amorim and see if he can at least get us top 6-8 next season. I wouldn't buy any excuses about a team with a whole lot of internationals not being good enough for fecking top 8.
 
stepic said:
4 months with no summer transfer window constitutes ‘evidence’ for impatient babies only.
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It’s the only evidence we have. It’s not enough. But it’s childish to believe that one is being more rational by trusting Amorim based on nothing but blind faith.
 
Jev said:
It’s the only evidence we have. It’s not enough. But it’s childish to believe that one is being more rational by trusting Amorim based on nothing but blind faith.
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sacking him and replacing him with another manager and hoping they’d do any better with this squad would also be an act of ‘blind faith’. It’s not a valid argument.

If it’s not enough evidence to make a serious judgement (which it isn’t) then it’s not evidence - period.

And besides, anyone without their anti Amorim blinkers on can already see the direction he’s trying to get the team going, so there are small pockets of evidence developing, never mind all the additional evidence from his time at Sporting.
 
Licha-Vidic said:
If our PL games ended at half time, we would be 18th on the log. Thats bottom three.
Against Arsenal was the first half time lead we've had since December 1st in the league. That some 3 months of PL football.

We start games poorly. This is reinforced by starting with 5 pure defenders + 1 or 2 defensive midfielders.

This is the main problem with Amorim.
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Pointless stat. Where would we be if they started at half time?
 
stepic said:
4 months with no summer transfer window constitutes ‘evidence’ for impatient babies only.
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Add on the fact with no real replacements for Sancho, Antony and Rashford. But yeah let’s pile on the manager without giving him a fair shot.
 
DJ_21 said:
This is down to having what’s available. Bruno’s playing cm he isn’t a defensive midfielder. Hopefully in the summer he’ll address the RWB to being someone who’s more attack minded so it will basically be like playing 3-2-5
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But fair enough, injuries have been intense only few weeks ago.

Amorim has been here for 121 days. Since November 11. He hasn't won back to back PL games.
His last half time lead was December 1st.
We haven't been injury beaten for 121 days. For now yes the team is back to bare bones.
 
#07 said:
Amorim is not very compatible with the squad we have, nor with the way our academy is set up to produce talent. Either the powers that be have a pretty different view of compatible or plan for some massive changes that we just aren't seeing at youth level (despite INEOS being involved with the club for a year). Not very joined up in either case.

I find it plausible to believe Berrada went for Amorim in large part because he knew he was on City's shortlist, and no real thought went into how much work on our squad and wider system would be required to make it work. Whatever the case he says he's all in so let’s see how it goes. He and Ashworth also gave a vote of confidence to Ten Hag before the Liverpool home game. Look how that ended up.
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The current SMT didn't appoint ETH so a failure of continuity between his appointment and the next manager's can't be left at their door. They decided that the style of football ETH was pursuing wasn't what they wanted, so they went with a manager that did. You can decide whether there is continuity in their appointments & squad planning once they appoint a second manager, not before.

As for your second comment - why take the worst position possible? The first part is pure speculation and the comment about supporting ETH before the Liverpool game is thin gruel. Are you seriously judging a CEO based on that? Its like you're fishing round for any reason to be unhappy. How about letting the new CEO do the job for a year or two and then judging him then?
 
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Over the last few games, it seems like we have been playing better but have been letdown with the attackers.
In general, hearing him talk about where he wants to take us in the future is quite promising, and leaves me optimistic for the future.
 
erikcred said:
Even the summer is too early to review options tbf. Except if SAF managed to de-age himself into his 1990 version and became available.

Their job is to back Amorim and see if he can at least get us top 6-8 next season. I wouldn't buy any excuses about a team with a whole lot of internationals not being good enough for fecking top 8.
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I also would not sack Amorim this summer, but if for the sake of argument we lost the rest of our matches this season the prospect of the sack would have to be taken seriously. But it really all depends on what the objectively learned lessons are from Amorim's tenure as manager. I've seen enough to convince that he is the best man for the job for us right now, but if an epic collapse closes out the season all options need to be put on the table.
 
I‘m not convinced he is the right man yet, if we continue to play poorly its best to say byebyes in summer.
 
NLunited said:
I‘m not convinced he is the right man yet, if we continue to play poorly its best to say byebyes in summer.
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Did you watch Sundays game?

If Raya having a MOM performance means we’re sh1t, then I can’t wait till we’re good.
 
DJ_21 said:
Well we’ve improved in possession against the bigger teams. We’re seeing more patterns of play emerge. Massive improvements. With the right quality players brought in we’ll look better instantly
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So improved possession and patterns of play is the only way managers get teams to play the way they want?
 
He took over a midtable team that went on to sell/loan it's starting/rotation level attackers. We cannot be in win-now mode while sorting our finances. Nothing short of relegation would be a fair criteria for the sack till next season.
 
roseguy64 said:
So improved possession and patterns of play is the only way managers get teams to play the way they want?
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Well we had none of that under ETH so like I said it’s improvement. Take of your tinted glasses
 
Greck said:
He took over a midtable team that went on to sell/loan it's starting/rotation level attackers. We cannot be in win-now mode while sorting our finances. Nothing short of relegation would be a fair criteria for the sack till next season.
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Oh, no. The dastardly club management that forced Amorim to let go of Antony and Rashford. If he keeps us up this year with his hands tied behind his back this way, I'd say we build him a statue.
 
erikcred said:
Oh, no. The dastardly club management that forced Amorim to let go of Antony and Rashford. If he keeps us up this year with his hands tied behind his back this way, I'd say we build him a statue.
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How many strawmen were you trying to fit in one sentence? Our financial situation is a bigger factor to players leaving than Amorim's input. He absolutely will not be the only decider in player sales as we try to balance our books in the coming years. He, SJR, INEOS and the club as a whole are absolutely being forced by financial circumstances. Someone is getting sold with or without Amorim and it makes it impossible to give a clear picture of their performance.
 
Greck said:
How many strawmen were you trying to fit in one sentence? Our financial situation is a bigger factor to players leaving than Amorim's input. He absolutely will not be the only decider in player sales as we try to balance our books in the coming years. He, SJR, INEOS and the club as a whole are absolutely being forced by financial circumstances. Someone is getting sold with or without Amorim and it makes it impossible to give a clear picture of their performance.
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I literally agreed with you that Amorim wanted to keep Antony and Rashford, but financial circumstances forced their moves.
 
DJ_21 said:
Well we had none of that under ETH so like I said it’s improvement. Take of your tinted glasses
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It‘s an improvement we don‘t have what we didn‘t have before?

What improvement do you see? We are not passing better than before Amorim.

We are good in spells under Amorim and were good in spells under Ten Hag.

If we keep muddling along like this, good coach or not, Amorim should go.
 
NLunited said:
It‘s an improvement we don‘t have what we didn‘t have before?

What improvement do you see? We are not passing better than before Amorim.

We are good in spells under Amorim and were good in spells under Ten Hag.

If we keep muddling along like this, good coach or not, Amorim should go.
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What 30 goal a season coach can we get in to replace him?
 
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